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 Official Windows Phone 7 Discussion Thread!, WP7 market share from 2% to 10% now !!

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Andrew Lim
post Mar 2 2011, 10:51 AM

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What the...? Looks like all the main features of WP7 don't work in Malaysia? If Bing maps doesn't work, what navigation system do you guys use?
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post Mar 2 2011, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(marauderz @ Mar 2 2011, 12:40 PM)
I have a video on how maps work here in Malaysia so you can check it out through the link on my signature.
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Your website FAQ on WP7 is very helpful. Thanks! thumbup.gif
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post Mar 5 2011, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(Prevail @ Mar 4 2011, 04:22 PM)
Wp7 market share hop from 2% to 10% in a month! ^^
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If your source is the Nielson report, that report includes old WinMo devices as well as WP7 devices.
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post Mar 9 2011, 03:19 PM

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I agree, don't go to Android... go to iOS. tongue.gif Multi-tasking, copy-and-paste and lots of applications already exist. Also updating is much easier and on-schedule. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 11:48 AM)
About the only hardware Microsoft can update simultaneously at one go, is the Xbox 360. Do you know why?
Compare that to Wp7, which now has Dell, HTC, LG and Samsung putting out phone. One manufacturer decides to be funny (yes, I'm talking about Samsung), and bad press all around. So better to release in staggered fashion, at least if something goes boom, it is easier to rectify. Heck, if 4 months to wait for an update is too long, then go buy robot ler.
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Why doesn't the desktop version of Microsoft Windows have this problem with Windows Update? There are even more manufacturers of PCs and laptops, but when Microsoft issues a security update, everybody gets it almost together. No such thing as staggered updates based on manufacturer.



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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
Dude, seriously? You still can't figure it out?

How condescending. shakehead.gif Let me try to reply to your post in parts.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
Let's take your Iphone for example. Have you ever asked why nobody have hacked the phone to install android yet? I mean, it uses an ARM chip, so it should be kacang putih to port android, since android works on ARM chips, right? Or why can't you port iOS 4.3 to work on the HTC incredible then? Why is it possible to install Android on a HD2? If it is so easy, as you seem to indicate it is, then everyone on the android ecosystem would be running at least Froyo now.

You can't use the iPhone as an example. The iPhone's internals are a closed system. The hardware was designed for iOS specifically. Android manufacturers are like PC manufacturers, they are designed to cater to an open operating system. The iPhone is more akin to the Mac (pre-Intel era), where it's difficult to install other operating systems. And Android has been ported to iPhones before. Although takes reverse-engineering. Regardless, the iPhone eco-system is nothing like Windows Phone 7's, which is more akin to the PC's.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
Ten different manufacturers making ten different phones? Yes, they all may speak the same language, but they all use different dialects. So you have the Terengganu dialect phone speaking to an OS that only understand the official dialect. So what do you do? Of course, you teach the OS to understand the Terengganu dialect. That takes a lot of time, dude. So that is why, a firmware that has been customize to speak Kelantan Malay, you install on phone that only understand Johor dialect, you get a brick.

Different PC manufacturers also use different BIOS (AMI, Insyde Software, Phoenix Technologies ) and chipsets (AMD, Intel) to boot up Windows. Some customized with different localities in mind. Yet they can all boot up Windows 7 and the desktop version updates with no problems. Not to mention that Windows 7 also manage to overcome the internationalization problems with little trouble.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
But they aren't. See, reality is, smartphones are not built like computers. See, ten different manufacturers may make hundreds of computer configurations, but when the OS is booted, they all speak the same language with the OS regardless whether they came from Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Malaysia or the US.

Smartphones are still computers (any machine that performs calculations), although they are not desktop PCs. The analogy of "language" you use to point out international complications fails to convince me. Windows 7 is used all around the world and OEMs are still able to customize it for different languages and localities.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
Kapish?
Nope. Still don't get it. The smartphone manufacturers and Microsoft are in total control of the eco-system. Probably even more than their PC counterparts. Since these phones were supposedly designed for Windows Phone 7 in mind, there is little excuse that they can't give timely updates.

I just suspect the entire eco-system was not designed completely well.
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QUOTE(marauderz @ Mar 25 2011, 11:32 AM)
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Thanks marauderz for your explanation. smile.gif

So the main problem it seems would be telcos having too much power. I think Microsoft should try to make their software updates skip telco approval after the user purchases the phone. Perhaps the software stack in WP7 is not so flexible right now, but I'm hope Microsoft may be able to segregate Telco-specific modifications and OS-specific enhancements/upadtes.

There's one thing I have to disagree with you though: phones having not enough power. The computing power in basic smartphones is comparable to Windows PCs from 10 years ago. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(bigbear @ Mar 25 2011, 07:46 PM)
I think my phone can't open a 2GB Photoshop file while my Pentium II managed to do so just fine... smile.gif
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That's because desktop Windows has something called memory mapped files. This is a technique where you don't actually read the file into RAM, but pretend the the data on disk is the memory.

I don't think WP7 has this technology yet.
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QUOTE(s7ran9er @ Jun 23 2011, 11:11 PM)
I bet Stephen Elop "accidentally leaked" it. Microsoft must have been tired of all the positive comments about MeeGo (even from Engadget) that they decided to raise some interest in WP7 again.

But to me it looks like any other WP7 device, that's the problem of enforcing the same GUI.
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QUOTE(weirdguy @ Jul 28 2011, 02:22 PM)
What is Gorilla Glass?
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