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TSSomething Else
post Dec 14 2010, 10:53 PM, updated 15y ago

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Hi guys,

I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction for some solid PvT and PvZ strats? I seem to lose alot of games versus terran and zerg. My win rate against protoss is almost 100% though.

I'm currently in silver league. Thanks so much!
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post Dec 14 2010, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(Something Else @ Dec 14 2010, 10:53 PM)
Hi guys,

I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction for some solid PvT and PvZ strats? I seem to lose alot of games versus terran and zerg. My win rate against protoss is almost 100% though.

I'm currently in silver league. Thanks so much!
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1511775
TSSomething Else
post Dec 14 2010, 11:51 PM

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I dont really want to trawl through that many pages?
I was wondering if any of u guys with the strats in their minds can help me out here?

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post Dec 15 2010, 12:03 AM

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nothing ventured,nothing gained...

my 1st advice though (since i'm Z,and losing horribly to P always)...
protect ur colossus.have a mix of zealots,stalkers & sentries to protect them.make sure the colossus (or colossi if u have more than 1) stays in the center of ur army...extended thermal lance upgrade is a MUST too....
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post Dec 15 2010, 12:15 AM

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just 4 gate your way to diamond. no matter who is your opponent.
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post Dec 15 2010, 12:43 AM

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i did look up videos of replays and stuff. I do seem to suck at 2 gate roboing lol.

I wanna try Nony's pheonix build. Anyone had success with that?
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post Dec 15 2010, 12:44 AM

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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1511775 /thread

please post on existing threads thank you
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post Dec 15 2010, 12:48 AM

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well, someone asked for help with terran and everyone's fine with that?
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post Dec 15 2010, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(Something Else @ Dec 15 2010, 12:48 AM)
well, someone asked for help with terran and everyone's fine with that?
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cause terran is OP and i cant be bothered with asking them to use the existing thread since i dun really know about their discussion there that much...
but i did posted quite a lot on PvZ in the toss thread which u can check out...
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post Dec 15 2010, 09:53 AM

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Solid Macro 4 gateway + forcefield = ownage ?

That bloody owns any race, at least i lost to it still biggrin.gif
wait, i am bronze and you are silver tongue.gif
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post Dec 15 2010, 09:57 AM

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how 4 gates = ownage~?
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post Dec 15 2010, 10:25 AM

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this is my takes on 4 gate built
a) It counters every early aggression an enemy can think off.
b) Banshee? no problem, just attack on 5 minutes mark before clock finish and all his army is probably few non-upgraded marine.
c) MMM? forcefield ftw then tech to 2 collossus with range and GG
d) use one observer and you can see his army composition and warp in units accordingly and if he expand or trying to built fancy units, that is so the time to attack

I am bronze but i have hard time winning the above toss without good tanks position. brrurr i hate that observer
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post Dec 15 2010, 10:45 AM

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PvT 1 gate fast expand = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=142887

make use of the 1 gate, produce all unit out of that 1 gate, sentry is most important!
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post Dec 15 2010, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(mules @ Dec 15 2010, 10:25 AM)
this is my takes on 4 gate built
a) It counters every early aggression an enemy can think off.
b) Banshee? no problem, just attack on 5 minutes mark before clock finish and all his army is probably few non-upgraded marine. 
c) MMM? forcefield ftw then tech to 2 collossus with range and GG
d) use one observer and you can see his army composition and warp in units accordingly and if he expand or trying to built fancy units, that is so the time to attack

I am bronze but i have hard time winning the above toss without good tanks position. brrurr i hate that observer
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go banshee and put 2 bunkers and watch the 4 gate fail badly...
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post Dec 15 2010, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 15 2010, 11:50 AM)
go banshee and put 2 bunkers and watch the 4 gate fail badly...
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i am bronze only but i did encounter this :

good 4 gate normally you put down the other 3 gateway after u kill the first scout and when your mineral is 450, all at the same time, this is from 4 gate guide built. How will you know he is doing 4 gate?

On 5 minutes mark if toss were to charge terran ramp and there is no marauders and saw bunker, toss can just tech up an observer and use chronoboost? If i am not mistaken the timing should be on the spot before terran gets cloak.

or maybe my 1/1/1 is badly screwed tongue.gif


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post Dec 15 2010, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(mules @ Dec 15 2010, 11:11 AM)
i am bronze only but i did encounter this :

good 4 gate normally you put down the other 3 gateway after u kill the first scout and when your mineral is 450, all at the same time, this is from 4 gate guide built.  How will you know he is doing 4 gate?

On 5 minutes mark if toss were to charge terran ramp and there is no marauders and saw bunker, toss can just tech up an observer and use chronoboost? If i am not mistaken the timing should be on the spot before terran gets cloak. 

or maybe my 1/1/1 is badly screwed tongue.gif
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its jz a bit before the 4gate push...
u can scout it with 1 scv outside his base to see if he move out...

2 bunkers + repairs > 4gate
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post Dec 15 2010, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 15 2010, 12:44 PM)
its jz a bit before the 4gate push...
u can scout it with 1 scv outside his base to see if he move out...

2 bunkers + repairs > 4gate
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follow up by polt timing attack built? cause u already have starport with tech lab. Does this works well? I been thinking how to stop this 4gate
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post Dec 15 2010, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(mules @ Dec 15 2010, 12:05 PM)
follow up by polt timing attack built? cause u already have starport with tech lab. Does this works well? I been thinking how to stop this 4gate
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if he go 4 gate, ur cloak banshee alone would win u the game...
its a BO win...
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post Dec 15 2010, 01:50 PM

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Nowadays going 4 gate is a risky gameplay. Unless you really know what your opponent is up to, a robo is a must.
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post Dec 15 2010, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Dec 15 2010, 12:31 PM)
if he go 4 gate, ur cloak banshee alone would win u the game...
its a BO win...
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TRUE. My 4 gate got Pwn badly by his Backside Banshee the first day we play cry.gif

The trauma is so Big that I decide to change to terran tongue.gif

This post has been edited by InFe_eD: Dec 15 2010, 01:54 PM
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post Dec 15 2010, 02:06 PM

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My best advice would be watching replays and analyze how and why they make certain units.. Check sc2rep.com

This post has been edited by Calvin Seak: Dec 15 2010, 09:04 PM
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post Dec 15 2010, 03:04 PM

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My advise is to watch your own replay. the game u lost..and see where you went wrong.



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