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sweet_pez
post Feb 7 2011, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(kl87 @ Dec 13 2010, 12:34 PM)
a helpful tips for all graduates. thx

- Don’t ask about money or benefits. Wait until you’ve got the job.

However, i do believe during the interview, they will ask about the expected salary from us  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Dec 14 2010, 06:15 PM)
i beg to disagree.

this form the essence of employment.

however, i agree that do not compare with other friends. it's a marathon... u never know what will happen 2-3 yrs down the road. Some jobs start a  bit high but climbs slowly, while some will start low but has good increment
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Just to drop my opinion here. Both might apply, but it is highly dependable on each individual's discretion and situation.

I actually second kl87 on this (personally - in my case). In one of my previous interviews (I was still pretty fresh back then) I actually asked what are the company benefits (honestly, not that I care but I find that I have nothing to ask so the question just popped out of my mouth) and the boss replied, "All the basic benefits you find in other companies..." and he gave me this 'look'. lol it kind of indicate "what a stup*d question" that I asked.

I realized then and there that this is indeed not a wise question. I mean, there are people who actually place company benefits into heavy consideration on whether to accept a job or not, but since it's not something crucial for me (as long as it's 14 days AL, MC claim etc - basic compensation) I noticed that I don't need to ask about it until I'm accepted for the job.

That's just my personal experience and POV ^^; it's normal to talk about salary (I always wait for interviewer to initiate the discussion about pay) but less likely when it comes to benefits. If the interviewer happens to highlight/ talk about their benefits, then it's fine to ask further question about anything that you're not clear with laugh.gif

QUOTE(yiivei @ Feb 3 2011, 11:49 AM)
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Thx Geminist for sharing your experience.

I very much agreed for Point 1 and 2. I currently facing this situation. Always try to act in good faith by helping others. In the end, they start to push the work to you and won't even thank you for helping them. Thus, sometime we really got to learn to say "No".

By acting in good faith at time won't bring us any goods.

Another point i wish to highlight is that never take the words of management for granted. As they might chance their decision from time to time. If not, the higher you expect, the deeper you falls. Just do your work within your responsibility unless the task(s) assigned by superior...
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Hmmmm sounds like you're being taken advantage of. It's unavoidable sometimes. I read in a blog somewhere that says it is fine to show that you have xx skill (eg. ability to use Photoshop) but do not accept extra responsibility pertaining it if it's not part of your responsibility. Must learn to say "no" and be firm on it, otherwise it'll be placed under your KPI before you know it.

Haha well it varies with companies on the management part. Some management team are very indecisive and they're not sure whether certain things would be feasible. Sometimes in order to keep a potential staff from leaving, they would promise all sorts of candy but once you stayed on you'll realize that it's nothing like they said.
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post Feb 10 2011, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(heartbreaked @ Feb 9 2011, 05:19 PM)
Well, it sounds like my current situation, during the interview they promised to let me do the job related to networking. They also promised me that I will have the chance to handle company server. But since I started joining the company I've been doing alot of programming work, not even touching a single networking stuff. I thought that I will have the opportunity after being confirmed, but the sad is until now I'm still doing programming work  mad.gif I'm fine with the work as I minored in programming too, so why not treat this as a learning opportunity. I know I have make a mistake, I should say 'NO' at first but I'm too afraid to reject. But after being confirmed, my increment only RM100 as a programmer with basic RM2k only blink.gif . Deduct the EPF and SOCSO my salary only RM1.8k, how am I going to survive as I need to support my family. Recently my company has upgraded the network as the new building has accomplished. The sad part is I was not invited to work with the senior to configure the network, vmad.gif if they don't allow me to join in, when will I have the opportunity to learn networking. I wonder do they treat me as a part of the team? I feel like being transparent all the time. They don't even bother to know what am I doing recently. Somehow these senior are so 'kiasu' people, whenever I ask them questions, they will answer in a short, "I know you can do it, that's the purpose company hire you". I've been applying for new job but till now don't have any feedback. FYI, this company is the listed company which dominance 80% of recycle business in Malaysia, situated in Penang. So people, if you are in my shoes, what will you do? Quit or stay on? Hoping a feedback from you all. Thanks for reading anyway.
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Ohhh this kind of issue actually not suitable to be posted here... but anyway just my 2 cents since you brought it up:

This is a common situation. What you might want to do is bring this matter up to your direct superior. Tell him/ her that you are very interested in networking and you really wish to have an opportunity to participate in projects related to networking.

Secondly, some seniors are actually kinda 'ngiau' towards newbies/ juniors. IMO you should try to get closer to these seniors and talk to them more often (out for tea, dinner, yumcha, whatever works). If you think by buying them lunch once or twice might bridge the gap, why not do it? Once you're more acquainted with them, they treat you like an actual junior and would help you in various aspects. The thing with seniors is that, you must not show them an 'attitude'. Sometimes you can't expect them to come to you and ask you out for lunch. You need to take the initiative.

If you think they are kiasu, then act dumb. Let them think you're clueless and agree verbally to what they say (though you may not think so in reality). You need to be more observant around them and try to be friendly with them, including your boss. If these seniors are close to your boss and you don't deal much with your direct superior, you'll find that these guys play a role in many things related to you.

End of the day it's up to you to stay or leave. If you have tried everything and things still remain the same then perhaps you wanna pursue other opportunities.

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post Feb 13 2011, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(heartbreaked @ Feb 13 2011, 12:10 PM)
1. I have told my direct superior before, he told me that right now I should focused on programming jobs first before proceed to networking. But I do not have the guts to tell what I really expect from the job. My fundamental of programming is very strong, within 1 month I have learned all the programming language used by the company. I've been doing the same tasks everyday and wanted to learn new things such as networking which I majored in university.

2. Well, not all the seniors are like that, just one or two are so 'ngiau' and I don't feel comfortable with them. Another mistake is I was placed at downstairs while all the seniors are at upstairs, therefore we seldom communicate and the gap getting broader. I try to talk with them but always I get a cold response from them. I sometimes drive them to lunch, but when we sit together, we all remain silence doh.gif

3. I never argue with them if I have a disagreement. I only deal with my direct superior if the project is new, but sometimes I need to do the task which handled by the senior before regarding enhancement and support. My dissatisfaction is I was not invited into networking project and upset of what my superior promised me before.
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I see... then,

1. If it's me, I might take it for another few months then bring the conversation up again casually someday. You don't have to be so formal and knock on your boss's room and talk about it. Ask your superior out for lunch (if there's an opportunity) and tell him that you're performing well in programming area. Then casually ask, "Is there any upcoming networking project?" and try talking about it. I understand it requires practice and experience to make the topic sound natural but you've got nothing to lose by asking, right?

2. You can't help where you'll be stationed in the office. Try initiating the talk. You can take a short 5-10min break for tea and casually walk downstairs to talk to the seniors. Or, if you brought something perfect for tea time - why not share it with them?

Why the awkward silence? Try talking and laugh more. Act more natural. Sometimes your body language tells more than what your lips say. With them being called your "senior" perhaps they sense that you're not comfortable around them.

3. You might want to check "why" you're not invited or asked to be part of the team. There could be some reasons behind it and perhaps some of the okay seniors might know. Ask them. As a last resort, ask your direct superior why you're not included. Don't be offensive or defensive. Just try asking in a nice manner over a cup of coffee - if you wish to continue working there.
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QUOTE(EmoGuy91 @ Aug 24 2017, 09:37 PM)
Hi. I'm recently saw this job list on Mediacorp and want to apply on this job:

http://mediacorp.applyourjobs.com/Online.aspx?ID=1914

But I have no idea how to answer the last two questions on the "Other Information" section so need advice and guide to answer.

Any other advice about this job and/or even a MY fresh grad working in Mediacorp/SG were welcome as well.
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You can just be honest and answer why and what you think. If you got called for interview, they will know if your response isn't consistent when they see you vs what you wrote.
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post Nov 29 2018, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(Financier @ Nov 13 2018, 01:53 PM)
Hi guys im a fresh grad, just wondering what is the difference between Basic salary and allowance?
I know I get money from basic, but do I get money from allowance? Lets say the company offer me allowance of RM1500, does that mean I can use the RM1500 in anything like lodging, food, petrol? Can I get money from the RM1500?
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Basic salary is your pay = the company have to contribute to your EPF, SOCSO.

Allowances (not eligible for EPF and SOCSO) - are usually benefits like travelling allowances (for petrol when you travel), mobile phone/ calls, meals etc. These are not taxable if I'm not mistaken. They will pay you the RM1.5k allowance together with your basic salary. Some companies want to contribute less to the staff's EPF and SOCSO thus they give you a higher allowance.

End of the day if you take up a package with high allowance, your monthly nett pay is higher. However, consider the disadvantage that your employer is paying/ contributing significantly lesser to your EPF each month.

QUOTE(kolokua @ Nov 28 2018, 04:22 PM)
hi guys,

for fresh grads, is it standard procedure for companies to verify your degree CGPA with your university?
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Maybe, maybe not. It depends on HR. Usually SMEs don't do that but there's a possibility that listed companies or MNCs may call up your University to check although most of the time not very likely.
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post Dec 3 2018, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Financier @ Nov 30 2018, 07:04 PM)
If I want to jump company, normally employer increase only basic pay or they look at the total package?
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They usually only look at your basic pay. So if your basic pay is low, there may be little room for negotiation. Allowance is dependent on each company's package/ policy so it varies.

 

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