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 Simple Guide for Fresh Graduates, Also for would be graduates

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heartbreaked
post Feb 9 2011, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Feb 7 2011, 09:59 PM)
Haha well it varies with companies on the management part. Some management team are very indecisive and they're not sure whether certain things would be feasible. Sometimes in order to keep a potential staff from leaving, they would promise all sorts of candy but once you stayed on you'll realize that it's nothing like they said.
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Well, it sounds like my current situation, during the interview they promised to let me do the job related to networking. They also promised me that I will have the chance to handle company server. But since I started joining the company I've been doing alot of programming work, not even touching a single networking stuff. I thought that I will have the opportunity after being confirmed, but the sad is until now I'm still doing programming work mad.gif I'm fine with the work as I minored in programming too, so why not treat this as a learning opportunity. I know I have make a mistake, I should say 'NO' at first but I'm too afraid to reject. But after being confirmed, my increment only RM100 as a programmer with basic RM2k only blink.gif . Deduct the EPF and SOCSO my salary only RM1.8k, how am I going to survive as I need to support my family. Recently my company has upgraded the network as the new building has accomplished. The sad part is I was not invited to work with the senior to configure the network, vmad.gif if they don't allow me to join in, when will I have the opportunity to learn networking. I wonder do they treat me as a part of the team? I feel like being transparent all the time. They don't even bother to know what am I doing recently. Somehow these senior are so 'kiasu' people, whenever I ask them questions, they will answer in a short, "I know you can do it, that's the purpose company hire you". I've been applying for new job but till now don't have any feedback. FYI, this company is the listed company which dominance 80% of recycle business in Malaysia, situated in Penang. So people, if you are in my shoes, what will you do? Quit or stay on? Hoping a feedback from you all. Thanks for reading anyway.

This post has been edited by heartbreaked: Feb 10 2011, 09:56 AM
heartbreaked
post Feb 13 2011, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Feb 10 2011, 04:20 PM)
Ohhh this kind of issue actually not suitable to be posted here... but anyway just my 2 cents since you brought it up:
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Sorry for posting it here, but I'm a fresh graduate and need some advise regarding my first job, since this section is for freshy, so I brought it up here blush.gif

QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Feb 10 2011, 04:20 PM)
This is a common situation. What you might want to do is bring this matter up to your direct superior. Tell him/ her that you are very interested in networking and you really wish to have an opportunity to participate in projects related to networking.
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I have told my direct superior before, he told me that right now I should focused on programming jobs first before proceed to networking. But I do not have the guts to tell what I really expect from the job. My fundamental of programming is very strong, within 1 month I have learned all the programming language used by the company. I've been doing the same tasks everyday and wanted to learn new things such as networking which I majored in university.

QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Feb 10 2011, 04:20 PM)
Secondly, some seniors are actually kinda 'ngiau' towards newbies/ juniors. IMO you should try to get closer to these seniors and talk to them more often (out for tea, dinner, yumcha, whatever works). If you think by buying them lunch once or twice might bridge the gap, why not do it? Once you're more acquainted with them, they treat you like an actual junior and would help you in various aspects. The thing with seniors is that, you must not show them an 'attitude'. Sometimes you can't expect them to come to you and ask you out for lunch. You need to take the initiative.
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Well, not all the seniors are like that, just one or two are so 'ngiau' and I don't feel comfortable with them. Another mistake is I was placed at downstairs while all the seniors are at upstairs, therefore we seldom communicate and the gap getting broader. I try to talk with them but always I get a cold response from them. I sometimes drive them to lunch, but when we sit together, we all remain silence doh.gif

QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Feb 10 2011, 04:20 PM)
If you think they are kiasu, then act dumb. Let them think you're clueless and agree verbally to what they say (though you may not think so in reality). You need to be more observant around them and try to be friendly with them, including your boss. If these seniors are close to your boss and you don't deal much with your direct superior, you'll find that these guys play a role in many things related to you.
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I never argue with them if I have a disagreement. I only deal with my direct superior if the project is new, but sometimes I need to do the task which handled by the senior before regarding enhancement and support. My dissatisfaction is I was not invited into networking project and upset of what my superior promised me before.

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post Feb 13 2011, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Feb 13 2011, 08:06 PM)
1. If it's me, I might take it for another few months then bring the conversation up again casually someday. You don't have to be so formal and knock on your boss's room and talk about it. Ask your superior out for lunch (if there's an opportunity) and tell him that you're performing well in programming area. Then casually ask, "Is there any upcoming networking project?" and try talking about it. I understand it requires practice and experience to make the topic sound natural but you've got nothing to lose by asking, right?

2. You can't help where you'll be stationed in the office. Try initiating the talk. You can take a short 5-10min break for tea and casually walk downstairs to talk to the seniors. Or, if you brought something perfect for tea time - why not share it with them?

Why the awkward silence? Try talking and laugh more. Act more natural. Sometimes your body language tells more than what your lips say. With them being called your "senior" perhaps they sense that you're not comfortable around them.

3. You might want to check "why" you're not invited or asked to be part of the team. There could be some reasons behind it and perhaps some of the okay seniors might know. Ask them. As a last resort, ask your direct superior why you're not included. Don't be offensive or defensive. Just try asking in a nice manner over a cup of coffee - if you wish to continue working there.
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Thanks for your advise notworthy.gif , really appreciate it, now I have a clear mind on what should I do, I guess you are indeed a senior in you organization right, that is why you can give the point of view as a senior.


 

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