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post Dec 7 2010, 11:31 AM, updated 15y ago

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Hot petrol Honda CR-Z planned

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Honda is set to provide its CR-Z with an all-new, turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engine option as part of plans to broaden the compact coupé’s appeal in key world markets, including the UK.

Currently available with just the one engine option — a hybrid that mates a 112bhp 1.5-litre petrol engine with a 14bhp electric motor — the CR-Z is earmarked to receive an all-new turbocharged 1.6-litre powerplant that is currently undergoing development at Honda’s Tochigi R&D centre.

The new engine, which is also planned for the Jazz, Civic and Accord, forms an integral part of a downsizing program instigated at Honda. With forced induction and Honda’s patented VTEC-i fully variable camshaft timing system, it is aimed at providing the performance of a typical 2.0-litre engine from a capacity of just 1.6 litres.

Autocar sources in Japan say the new engine is likely to come in two guises: a standard 160bhp model and a highly tuned 200bhp version aimed at matching the now defunct 2.0-litre VTEC engine in the Civic Type R. This more potent spec is likely to form the basis of a CR-Z Type R, tentatively due out late next year.

Plans for more than a hybrid engine for the Japanese Car of the Year come as sales of the two-door coupé have started to sag in the firm’s all-important home market.

Honda first hinted that it was planning to add another petrol engine when it unveiled the CR-Z Hybrid R concept at the recent SEMA tuning show in Las Vegas. Unlike the proposed production version, though, that car ran a turbocharged version of the CR-Z’s existing 1.5-litre engine rather than the new 1.6.


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post Dec 7 2010, 11:34 AM

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but then can run on ron95? cry.gif

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post Dec 7 2010, 11:35 AM

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looks like a RX8
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post Dec 7 2010, 11:37 AM

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Will be curious on how it performs wink.gif
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post Dec 7 2010, 11:51 AM

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i want CR-Z hybrid. dont care bout this turbo engine tongue.gif
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post Dec 7 2010, 11:54 AM

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Watch latest episode of Fifth Gear. They have a test drive for hybrid CR-Z.
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post Dec 7 2010, 11:57 AM

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post Dec 7 2010, 11:59 AM

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Spoon has also released their CR-Z months ago with a 145BHP motor with 150nm of torque mated with a 6 speed transmission
Nice XD
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post Dec 7 2010, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Dec 7 2010, 11:59 AM)
Spoon has also released their CR-Z months ago with a 145BHP motor with 150nm of torque mated with a 6 speed transmission
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We shall see few more tuner out there eg: Jsracing , Amuse , etc brows.gif
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post Dec 7 2010, 12:41 PM

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Yup....so far most Honda tuners already launched their tuned version of the CR-Z

Spoon and Seeker so far ok already
I believe J's racing soon to debut theirs on the track

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post Dec 7 2010, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(soket @ Dec 7 2010, 11:34 AM)
wohoo~!

but then can run on ron95?  cry.gif
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my question is can they run on euro 2 gas ? rclxub.gif laugh.gif

Hell, I love CRZ wub.gif
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post Dec 7 2010, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(XionCity @ Dec 7 2010, 11:35 AM)
looks like a RX8
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poke your eyes with a fork please.
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post Dec 7 2010, 02:11 PM

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turbo engine plz..... im sick of having underpowered coupe doh.gif whats d purpose of it?
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post Dec 7 2010, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(vault.dweller @ Dec 7 2010, 01:04 PM)
poke your eyes with a fork please.
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post Dec 7 2010, 02:23 PM

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im lookin 4ward 2 it.. i mean if honda have 2 replace that awesome 2.0L K20 ivtec motor, they have 2 come wit somethin no less than spectacular 2 take over that legendary engine..
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Introduce non-hybrid CRZ, isn't it defeating the original purpose of CR-Z development?
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post Dec 7 2010, 02:52 PM

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get a CRZ hybrid 1st, -50% tax.then baru transplant to k20 brows.gif
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post Dec 7 2010, 10:49 PM

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i will get this car for the meter itself


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post Dec 7 2010, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Dec 7 2010, 10:49 PM)
i will get this car for the meter itself


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wow .. just wow.
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post Dec 8 2010, 02:59 AM

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Anyway... The CR-Z will be here by Q1 2011 according to internal HM news... Hope it will be the full spec then...
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post Dec 8 2010, 11:25 AM

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200hp turbo iVtec 1.6L... fuh. Road tax RM90! tongue.gif All this downsizing is good for our country roadtax system lol.
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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Dec 8 2010, 02:59 AM)
Anyway... The CR-Z will be here by Q1 2011 according to internal HM news... Hope it will be the full spec then...
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post Dec 8 2010, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Dec 8 2010, 02:59 AM)
Anyway... The CR-Z will be here by Q1 2011 according to internal HM news... Hope it will be the full spec then...
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Compare the pricing between civic hybrid and cr-z it's more or less same in Japan.

Thus, HM shouldn't sell cr-z at higher price.

GOD saves us all.
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QUOTE(igor_is300 @ Dec 8 2010, 11:54 AM)
Compare the pricing between civic hybrid and cr-z it's more or less same in Japan.

Thus, HM shouldn't sell cr-z at higher price.

GOD saves us all.
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cr-z price in US 26 000 U.S. dollars = 81 704.9947 Malaysian ringgits

civic hybrid in malaysia = rm105k

so if u say it is going to be +- same with civic hybrid, HM margin of profit is higher sad.gif
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post Dec 8 2010, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Dec 7 2010, 10:49 PM)
i will get this car for the meter itself
hahaha.. thats kinda normal 4 hybrids, most hybrids out there has really funky dials..
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post Dec 9 2010, 12:37 AM

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For the moment, it should be sure.. Unless last minute changes within the internal meeting... Still waiting latest news...

For sure the CR-Z will be more expensive than Insight, but won't be more expensive than Civic Hybrid I presume.
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post Dec 9 2010, 01:19 AM

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How cr-z gets all the hype from tuners in the first place? This car is produced with environmental mind by honda.
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post Dec 9 2010, 01:26 AM

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can they make it turbo hybrid? imagine with the current tax structure, no tax for it tongue.gif
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post Dec 9 2010, 02:16 AM

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need more room to squeeze in the snail and pipings.
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post Dec 9 2010, 01:11 PM

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There is already CR-Z Type R by Honda going on though... Same 1.5 with enhanced IMA + Turbochargers...
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post Dec 9 2010, 01:55 PM

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the thing is bout the crz is, it is actually a spiritual successor 2 the crx.. remember that?? it was originally designed by honda 2 be an economical sports hatchback.. so 2 carry on the tradition, honda made the crz into a hybrid, so in order 2 stay true of its heritage, it has 2 be a sporty lookin fun 2 drive yet economical hatchback..
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Consumer Reports thinks that CR-Z is crap.

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2011 Honda CR-Z hybrid scores too low for Consumer Reports to Recommend

We know what you're thinking: Hondas typically do well in Consumer Reports testing. And since Consumer Reports emphasizes good fuel economy, a hybrid should score highly in our tests, right? Not so much.

The two-seat CR-Z is derived from the Insight, a five-passenger hybrid hatchback that also scored too low to be recommended. To be sure, there are improvements in the CR-Z: the interior isn't so glaringly cheap, and handling is much more nimble than the Insight. The CR-Z's manual transmission is crisp and easy to shift and 35 mpg is nothing to sneeze at.

But compared to a long list of drawbacks, that good news isn't enough to recommend the car.

Handling is short on steering feel, a recent (and unwelcome) Honda trait. Even for a small sports coupe, the ride is stiff and noise levels are high. The stability control intervenes too late when it's needed, so the CR-Z's tail can swing out mid-corner. Lousy rear and over-the-shoulder visibility made changing lanes "like Russian Roulette," according to one tester's logbook comment. A diminutive 400-lb. payload capacity somewhat negates the large cargo hold and speaks to a real limitation in a country where 200-lb. adults are commonplace.

Even the details rankle: The car shuts off when stopped to save fuel -- but unlike most other hybrids, the air conditioner shuts off too, making it a drag on a hot day. The exterior door handles are awkward to grab, and you basically lunge in and out of the low-slung car.

So just because it's a Honda doesn't mean it's a good car.  Even if the CR-Z turns out to be reliable, it scores too low for us to recommend it.


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post Dec 9 2010, 06:48 PM

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put k20 inside crz!
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Dec 9 2010, 06:48 PM)
put k20 inside crz!
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