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madblacktt
post Apr 11 2011, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Apr 11 2011, 03:15 PM)
They pay you big bucks, they expect you to give them back triple that amount ....... a lot of responsibility comes with the kind of salary you are getting .....
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only subsurface people can get that kind of pay i supposed?
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post Apr 13 2011, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Apr 12 2011, 01:03 PM)
It's supply and demand I suppose. A lot of the subsurface experts are retiring. The average age of the skilled personnel in G&G, PE and Drilling is like 47-52 years old ... very close to retirement ... the industry is losing 30% of their technical workforce so not many people in this industry ... deman for the people are skyrocketing especially with Petronas really strict about Malaysianisation .... so if you have the experience and you're Malaysian, then you can command good pay from all the foreign operators in Malaysia.

Subsurface involves a lot of risk taking ... stressful job ... you need to decide where to drill for oil. Each well can cost up to USD 10-15 million average. Deepwater exploration well even more expensive (in the range of 50-60 million dollars) so ... kalau drill and get a dry hole ... sakit woooooo ... I have so many friends who is a chain smoker, cannot sleep well at night and those who sleep will dream about their well ..... so sometimes 45K also not worth it ...
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I agree with what you said to a certain extent. But, still I think the supply & demand thing applies to subsurface guys only tongue.gif. Even what I'm doing now is considered quite rare and there's a serious shortage of experienced engineers. However, I don't see anyone earning anywhere close to that amount in Malaysia (heck, i don't think my manager earn even half of the amount) unless you're an expatriate. Good that you picked the right discipline bro...i wish i could turn back time and do what you're doing now.. biggrin.gif

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post Apr 16 2011, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Apr 16 2011, 12:57 PM)
Yeah, the shortage of skills are usually in the subsurface side of things as not many people are taking G&G/PE in the university nowadays. You've got people retiring and fresh grads not coming in .... Most of the skills are learned on the job so it's not easy to train staff with other degrees either.

Now Gomen want to give 15% flat tax rate for all who works oberseas to come back to Malaysia .... hmmmm very very very attractive. Can buy 2 cars tax free some more .... so a BMW 5 series should be in the 250K range ..... ishhh ..... gatal tangan la ini macam.
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Well, sometimes i find it strange...if there's a shortage of subsurface ppl..why don't they hire more graduate engineers?..to be honest, i think the clients rarely have any openings for freshies for subsurface position...

I've seen PE graduates ending up as piping enigneer instead because they can't get any subsurface positions...
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post Apr 20 2011, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Apr 20 2011, 09:06 PM)
Hi New Klang,

That is a very good question actually. I havent be thinking which part of oil and gas industry i wish to venture to. As im new to this industry, I am still trying to gauge what each part of this industry offers.

which part of the industry belongs to the main players ?
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It's ok to start your career in smaller companies which are involved in the industry. However, if possible, try to get into the main areas (disciplines which are critical to the industry) of the industry and you'll be on the right track from day 1.

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post Apr 21 2011, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Apr 21 2011, 12:08 AM)
Im being offered with Project Engineer. Lesser travelling.
What main areas are you referring to ? Are you referring to Mechanical, Electrical, Process, Instrument disciplines ?
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For instance, if you work for a vendor company dealing with valves/fittings, you're basically dealing with valves/fittings only most of the time. No doubt that those are vital components for any project..they are actually a very small portion of it.

On the other hand, if you're a piping engineer you will probably be involved in the design of the whole topside piping of a platform for example.

Regarding the main areas, I guess you roughly know what they are already.
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post Apr 23 2011, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(poilamacs @ Apr 22 2011, 09:06 PM)
Suggestion Research Study About Refinery

I am currently a chemical engineering undergraduate, and next month i will undergo the industrial training in a oil refinery for 3 months, and after the industrial training then gonna be my final year study, and i gonna have a final year research project.

i was thinking whether is there any opportunity for me to do topics where i can apply my experience i gonna gain in refinery. one of my chem eng frens suggested me to work or collaborate with the refinery i attached during my internship and do a research study, and personally i am quite interested in it. for instance like getting some data from the refinery, do some analysis., etc.

is any process engineer working in refinery can provide any suggestions for me ? before this i was thinking about the optimization work, but i am also thinking is there any other thing i can do .. something like the effect of process parameters of a process unit on the performance / product yield, or something like what heat integration improvement by pinch analysis, or like reduction of energy cost in certain unit.. etc.

Hope for everyone's guide and assist.

Thanks
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I think it's better that you do your internship in a reputable consultant. I'm sure you'll gain more there and chances of collaborating with them for your final thesis is higher too.
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post May 6 2011, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(sungami @ May 6 2011, 07:38 PM)
Vinccis, yes I was about to say that you were offered a good package considering that you only have 3 years of working experience. I'm assuming that you were offered a job with the subsea structural discipline instead of the typical offshore structural discipline.

Drilling or field service of course the money is good but you can say good bye to your social life. Stick with the consultant side and jump to the client side once you have like ten years of experience to earn some mega buck I'd say. Your social and family life would be still intact btw.
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Well said. Once you have close to 10yrs consultancy experience, you can actually earn quite alot depending on where you work. Probably it will still be less than those drilling/field service guys with comparatively less number of yrs of experience BUT you get to lead a normal life like everyone else. There's always a price to pay for everything you want in life tongue.gif
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post May 8 2011, 12:58 PM

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You guys (fresh grads) are really lucky to have people like sungami, azraeil etc posting in this forum what they know about the industry and pointing you guys in the right direction.

Just to add to what sungami said, it is possible for people in the service/drilling/survey side to join the clients. However, these positions are quite limited in the client side as they generally don't need so many of them. Still, it is possible to join probably as a contract staff on project basis. This is also based on my perception so please correct me if i'm wrong.
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post Nov 9 2011, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(Noyze @ Nov 9 2011, 12:14 PM)
yeah the OnG industry now in malaysia the salary is getting crappier by the minute.. dun feel appreciated as the renumeration is low. Am gonna look out of here soon! hehe
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makes me wonder how are those field engineers going to go international? there's already an abundance of them out there (from junior to senior)


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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 9 2011, 12:24 PM)
outside malaysia those company will hire us?
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Only if you're qualified and you have the skill sets they can't get locally. There's no reason for them to sponsor your visa if they can get someone locally who can do the same job and at the same time support the local workforce.

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post Nov 9 2011, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Nov 9 2011, 12:42 PM)
You will be surprised if you know how many Malaysian work as field engineer outside the country...  smile.gif
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good to hear that..but are they still under msia office but seconded to overseas or are they permanently attached there? they must have few years of experience i guess
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post Dec 3 2011, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Dec 3 2011, 12:51 PM)
Wait first. Show your company how good you are first and then only you can start referring your friends. You also need to make sure you are referring a qualified friend because if it doesn't pan out, you will also be blame for wasting people's time.


Added on December 3, 2011, 12:53 pm

The platform are the responsibility of the operators, so if any incident occurs (fire etc), Talisman will be responsible for it. The cost of the platform is charged to the Cost Oil Recovery Mechanism under the Production Sharing Contracts, so during the life of the PSC, the cost of the platform is charge to the oil revenue (basically Petronas is paying for it), so after the Production Sharing Contract expires, ALL facilities belongs to PETRONAS.
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Agree with point number 1, never refer somebody unless he/she is really qualified for the job with the right/related experience and most importantly you know he can get the job done. At the end of the day, you're the reason the company hired him/her

Yea, just like exxon handing back some of the platforms off the peninsular coast to Petronas upon expiration of their PSCs

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post Jan 25 2012, 09:43 AM

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I have been in the downstream side of the industry for the past 3 years and suddenly had this thought of pursuing a masters in petroleum eng and move upstream. As I'm already in my late 20's, is it advisable to start again from zero ?
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post Jan 25 2012, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Jan 25 2012, 09:54 AM)
Not impossible. I know a person who did that before. It will help if your company has an internal resourcing system (transfer downstream to upstream is easier this way). You may have to take a pay cut as your relevant experience is lower but should be fine after a few years or so.

Masters may not be necessary to do the move but ofc will help. I just want you to keep in mind the time and subsequent opportunity cost for a 2 year masters program (e.g. parttime).

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Thanks for the advise. The thing that bothers me is the fact that another 2 years in my current job will make me quite marketable. Apart from that, I will have to look for opportunity in another company if I were to move upstream. By the time I complete the course, I will be in my early 30's. I reckon it will take another 5 yrs to flourish as a eg reservoir engineer if I'm lucky enough to be one.
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post Feb 6 2012, 03:41 PM

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any idea which discipline within subsurface work with subsea ppl the most? also, what is the point of interface between the 2 disciplines?
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post Feb 18 2012, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Feb 18 2012, 03:10 PM)
Once you reached 5 years, then you're marketable to a lot of companies (not necessarily the big operators) but basically you will start having options. Once you get to 7 years (late 20's early 30's) then some big overseas operators will start looking at you with interest. You will get some opportunity of being an expats in the middle east/Australia etc. Once you break 10 years, you are extremely marketable. Once you reached 15, people call you (headhunters etc) and you basically just need to tell them what you want in terms of Salary and Benefits

But you cannot coast when you are trying to get experience. Get involved in as many projects as you can handle during the first 5 years. Tell your boss that you are willing to take difficult projects and you will deliver and you should be able to get the experience you need.
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Just to add to azraeil's comments, i think it depends on your discipline. I heard for certain disciplines which are the "hot cake" in the industry at the moment, calls/emails from recruiters start to pour in even if you have like 3-4 years experience. These are niche areas where even people with 3-4 years experience are hard to scout and the gap between the juniors and the seniors are widening as there aren't anyone in that category to fill in the void. However, at the end of the day, it all boils down to what you have been building on throughout that 3-4 years..in short, solid experience counts!

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