QUOTE(stickynote @ Jul 15 2012, 12:36 AM)
thank you for your reply but from what i read here and close colleagues (those resigned from big 4 and jumped to commercial) they often get better pay which i believe might be many of my own isolated cases. my apologies if my isolated cases do not seem to hold any credit to my reply earlier...and of course if you wanna compare those working in big 4 and those with experience from that particular line, then you are of course stand very much corrected.
but my POV comes from those that have chosen this path and which are sticking by it. of course, if big 4 companies are not good and nothing beneficial..i wonder why people still wants to join? (and for your to be still staying in big 4

) no one owes us a living and you would still be working hard after big 4 but then again you will always have a choice to not to and still be earning the same if higher pay. as for new grad, trust me i have my fair share of problematic, lazy and incompetent juniors under me. experienced or fresh grads, all have attitude problems.
and yes, i am from big 4 with audit and tax experience too. there will never be a perfect job with perfect pay but i believe it is not constructive to be complaining here with the negative vibes. i have my fair share of really bad experience and no, i am not banking on the hope but rather i prefer to think on the positive side since i have already chosen to be working in big 4 (or shit hole where most would like to address this place as

). we are both just standing at the extreme opposite end of the ugly truth

Actually you are not wrong hoping for a better future, at least its better than choosing to stay on but then complain in the thread about how stressed up ppl are about their useless newjoiners and trainees or sh!tty clients and assignments.
The previous comments speak from a more technical point of view. I'm from ex big 4 currently in Finance/accouting line and Big4 auditing experience is Mandatory for applying for most posts in large/overseas MNCs. Even if you only have auditing experience, without working in Big4 automatically disqualifies you from even being interviewed. Further, I believe the experience of handling all the sh!t being thrown at you when working in big4 auditing and the intangibles of just getting the job done is seriously under appreciated. Example, if I can review and clear a high risk file with one of the nastiest partners in the firm (cos my boss dumped/taichied the task to me), I sure as hell can handle the FC/CFO on the review of accounts/results for my list of companies before the announcements which I'm looking at for a whole year.
I also disagree that MNCs cannot pay you competitive salaries compared to audit firms, but then again as you said, maybe my sample is not representative. Anyhow, your effective pay per hour in commercial will beat most of the big4 ppl.