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post Dec 20 2010, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(-YS- @ Dec 20 2010, 08:25 PM)
Anyone have any ideas who should i put as referee for job application, i just graduated from australian university, the lecturer seems to be reluctant to be a referee since he don't really knows me well
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Your tutor perhaps? Or if you have done any internship before, just get your ex-manager/supervisor/senior to be your referee.
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post Jan 6 2011, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(mqlim1 @ Jan 5 2011, 08:17 PM)
Hi there,

I'm kinda new in this forum. Anyway, I submitted my application as audit associate in kpmg singapore few weeks ago and had done my reasoning tests online on the 17th of Dec. I have not received any replies from the HR till now. Does that mean that I had failed the test and cant get an interview chance? I tried calling up HR and all they told me is to wait as they are looking through the applications. Thanks
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It was the Christmas and New Year holiday season around that time, so things kinda get processed slower due to many staff being on leave.

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post Mar 21 2011, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(HaoYuan @ Mar 21 2011, 10:03 AM)
i know in singapore, KPMG is the top among big4
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Guess what you know isn't exactly true then. Certain industry, maybe. Overall, erm don't think so
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post Nov 27 2011, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(junggle @ Nov 27 2011, 02:33 AM)
one with 1.5+ years auditing experience in a medium audit firm, what position should one apply in big4? Audit associate?? Or Audit Senior??
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Audit associate definitely. Under normal circumstances, an associate would take around 2 years in Big4 to reach senior. If you're coming from mid-tier, be prepared to have your experience discounted further.
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post Dec 2 2011, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(shirley_andy @ Dec 1 2011, 11:30 PM)
so if you're a fresh grad, would u go choose big4 in MY or Med Firm in SG?

I mean which provide better exposure(learning opportunity)?

cuz big4 deal with bigger multinationals.. and altho it might seem nice to work abroad at SG, but it's just a med firm, it might not provide the exposure u'll get by working with big4... no?
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QUOTE(kira312 @ Dec 1 2011, 11:46 PM)
U not necessary get alot exposure even u work
In big 4
And u work in sg medium firm for 2 years also can switch to big 4 in sg. U might waste a year but if u have 2 years exp in big 4 my, not necessary will get same pos and might down grade also.

When this 2 options have similar outcome, u have to consider how much u can save during this 2 years.
Let's say both side u can save 500 in own currency. U can sve double in sg
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If you start off in a mid-tier in SG and aim to hop over to big4 later on, pretty much guaranteed they will discount 1 year experience off you, you most likely get downgraded or if you are lucky, retain your position but will be held back from promotion.

On the other hand, if you start off in a big4 in KL, and assuming you stay till at least s1 level and above, higher chances of being able to retain your position, especially if you go back to the same big4 in SG. But of course, there is no fixed rule on this, it all depends on how you negotiate with them during your interview.

In terms of exposure I guess nothing much to talk about at freshie level. But in terms of learning curve and structure, I would think that big4 would be more structured compared to mid-tier.

Which one to choose really depends on what is your priority I reckon.
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post Mar 8 2012, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(stupid434 @ Mar 5 2012, 04:19 PM)
Yea, I am considering to work in singapore too
but i think the chance to get into big four sg is quite slim bcos they prefer the local u students n they seldom recruit foreigner for A1 position due to employment pass problem.
So, I will try to apply medium size audit firm too.
My grad is second lower only.
Last time i got apply big 4 jb n they asked me to go for an interview.
They offer me the full time audit assistant position but i rejected bcos i decided to go study ACCA full time.
So will this affect?
I am ready to do so. how to say doing tax n vouching is boring? erm...i thought they will be some systems to help us to generate the tax computation?
mind to share more in details?
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The myth about big 4 here not hiring foreigner is not quite true. I have seen quite a few coming in at a1 level. The salary requirement for EP is not really a strict rule, I have seen my friends in mid tier with salary less than the required threshold still holding to a EP. The hurdle is to get them to hire you, if you pass that, the pass shouldn't be too big of an issue.

But I have to say, it is not common to find SIM graduates in big4, at least I don't see many of them here at where I am now. You might want to consider the bigger mid tiers firms too.
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post Mar 9 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(stupid434 @ Mar 9 2012, 12:37 AM)
oh ya, i know they do hire foreigner for A1 position but just few. That's y i said the chance is slim.
My friends are working in one of the big 4 now. Their result is super fantastic.
Btw, how did u get the job?
U send the resume to them or through ppl recommend?
And, which companies are the mid tier audit firms?
I only know LTC, Crowe horward, verity partner.
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I emailed the company through their general HR email address.

Anyway, the bigger mid tier firms here would be RSM, Grant Thornton and BDO. There are other relatively smaller sized mid-tier firms like the ones you mentioned probably. But one thing about mid-tier firms is they generally like to bond their staff for the first 1-2 years, so that should be taken into consideration too.
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post May 11 2012, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(carolc89 @ May 10 2012, 10:48 PM)
Hi, which department did you applied? i applied fsip but rejected. maybe because i neither have a singapore visa and nor study there. sigh....my dream job a
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You don't need a SG visa to be accepted, in fact the employer are the ones applying the visa for you. Having said that, they have probably filled up most, if not all of their July intake headcount by now. And FSIP would have smaller intakes compared to GA (General audit), perhaps you could have indicated that you're for open for all departments.

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post Sep 16 2012, 02:53 AM

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QUOTE(acca_newbie @ Sep 16 2012, 02:09 AM)
I have just done some research on my part and noticed that Big 4s are only recruiting candidates with degrees recognised by ICPAS. Does that mean that they will not take into consideration Final Level ACCA students? I'm left with the final 5 papers and have gone through 5 papers from ACCA Level 2. I am a UK degree holder, 2nd upper honours with 2 years experience in audit.

2 years back, I have tried to apply to Big 4 and mid-tier firms in Singapore but there was no response from any of them. Only small local singaporean firms offered me a job. During that period, I have also applied to Big 4 and mid-tier firms in Malaysia and was subsequently offered a job with an international mid-tier firm. I took up the offer and worked in Malaysia instead of Singapore.

I am currently with one of the Big 4s in Malaysia and thinking of trying Singapore Big 4s again. If in the event that there is no response from Big 4 Singapore, should I take up offers from mid-tier firms? I only intend to be in this industry at most, 3 - 4 years. I really want to go in to Singapore to work. Any advice?

Also, appreciate if anyone here that's working for Big 4 Singapore to share their experiences. Did your apply with a degree other than those recognised by ICPAS or with a completed/partial ACCA?
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Was your UK degree one of those from distance learning/twinning program? My impression is that the big4 here in SG aren't very keen on these degrees.

Referring to your statement that it has to be ICPAS recognized, depends on what you mean by that? The last I know, they only allow the local uni (NTU, NUS and SMU) to qualify with just a 5-days course and exam, any other degree has to either go through their professional papers or via other qualifications (CA, CPA, ACCA). On the other hand, I still see non-local uni graduates entering the big4s here, nothing much has changed except for the smaller intake.
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QUOTE(acca_newbie @ Sep 16 2012, 03:51 PM)
Hi Jae,

Yes. My degree is a twinning programme. I was browsing through ICPAS website, and could only see that the degrees recognised are those of NTU, NUS and SMU. Does a partial ACCA add weight in my case? I have at least gone through 5 papers from ACCA Part 2.

By the way, when would be the best time to send in my resume? I was thinking of doing so in Dec 2012 as now is currently off-peak and I'm attending ACCA class now, so I only plan to work in Singapore early next year where I can enrol for class in January 2013 onwards.

Also, I did check through the respective Big 4 website on recruitment, noted that only EY and Deloitte are recruiting. Worried that there will be no vacancy if I apply in Dec 2012. Any advice?
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Hmm I cant comment much in whether your partial ACCA add much weight, as that's really depending on the HR.

For your second question, they usually have their second biggest intake in Dec for those odd batch, but they start in Dec, so you need to apply way before that, preferably now since they are still recruiting based on their recruitment website.
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QUOTE(acca_newbie @ Sep 17 2012, 03:11 AM)
Thanks for replying. My next question would be, any idea when's the promotion or bonus payout? Is it the same for all Big 4s? I have currently missed out on promotion twice as I was due for promotion in the mid-tier firm had I not join Big 4 (no regrets on that) and also another time as upon confirmation, it was the promotion period in Big 4. I had to wait for another year, i.e. 2013 if I were to stay on in Malaysia.

Currently I'm still an Associate. Any idea if I can apply for a Semi Senior position? Or if I should apply as an experienced Associate since that is my current position.
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3 of the big4 have their promotion cycle in July/August period, with one in October. To make it for the promotion cutoff, one has to at least be working from Dec/Jan to be safe.

They will most likely give you at best, your current position. So far I have not seen anyone coming down with a promotion, in fact they usually discount one year, so getting downgraded is quite common.
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post Oct 12 2012, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Oct 10 2012, 10:24 PM)
KPMG as well...i wondering why no ppl bring EY to labour office.. i wish but my gf not allowed me to proceed... duh....
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Bring them to labour office and complain on what basis? The terms of employment are clearly stated in the employment contract, which your gf has duly signed, so you are going to complain that they do not follow what was clearly written in the contract?


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post Oct 12 2012, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Oct 12 2012, 09:09 AM)
wow ... so i dont think they are so silly to stated down clearly in employment letter that they will forfeit ur leave entitlement and u can only claim 5 days leave entitlement even thru u have 20days remaining ? this is obvious against the law ...

dont get me wrong...anyone who have common sense know that ur employer need to pay back all ur leave entitlement upon ur resignation... no one can forfeit ur leave entitlement ....

my leave entitlement is ur annual leave..not the "free labour , no OT payment " ... the leave that they stated down in ur employment letter  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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I don't think they are that silly either to still proceed with it if this is obviously against the law. FYI, that clause is clearly stated in the employee handbook that only 5 days can be encashed, if your gf is not aware of that then it is definitely not the HR's problem because she is supposed to read the handbook.

Although I do not have the exact sections under the labour law, I would think that she is most probably not covered under the current labour law due to her salary exceeding a certain threshold. Employment laws are usually set to protect the lower wage earners, while people like her who are considered as professionals above the salary threshold are usually deemed to be able to safeguard their own welfare and hence, do not require the same level of protection under the eyes of the authority.
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post Nov 11 2012, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(singa89 @ Nov 9 2012, 12:02 PM)
almost 2 years in ey tax

can i apply to be transferred to ey sg?

or i need to resign and re apply?

any ideas ppl?
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Wouldn't say it is impossible, but chances are very slim. You need to have strong backings from your current bosses in order for it to be considered. In fact, it would be easier to just resign and re-apply, which is what majority of people do here.

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