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Sesshoumaru
post Dec 24 2010, 08:52 PM

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Many DON'T take drastic pay cuts or pay cuts at all, unless they were itchy and joined something not related to finance.

To those who are just looking for a job with pays well and surprisngly linear enough, become a manager in b4 then move to a finance role (M, FCs, Internal Audit etc.). Pay cuts will be extremely rare barring the fact the person has bad nego skills. Most gets a decent pay rise instead.This is a faster method then just staying in the organisation itself in the back-office trying to move up.

It is when you try to move to the front-line roles from external audit, that's where the paycut comes in.

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post Dec 24 2010, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Dec 24 2010, 08:59 PM)
Aside from internal audit most companies are reluctant to hire Audit Managers with a pay rise or even on par for FM positions and above because audit managers have no hands-on experience in actually doing the AP/AR/GL, month end closing, management reporting, etc. Auditing and doing the accounts is 2 different thing unless they are willing to join as accountant(i.e. lower rank) in most MNC
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They may or may not be reluctant, but in the end if the auditor is any smart he'll get the job with a payrise. All my colleagues left with a good payrise. At the very least, it is just matching salaries because these companies know that offering a paycut is never the solution. The auditor will just reject it.

If you tell me that even when moving to commercial, you get a paycut, then the whole point of slugging it out in the audit firms is not justified.

Here are some examples of people I know personally who made to the following positions when moving.

M-> M in Internal Audit, local anchor bank.
SM -> GM finance in a foreign bank.
M -> SM finance, local anchor bank.

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post Dec 24 2010, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Dec 24 2010, 09:09 PM)
Dude, Banks are different breed altogether. I'm formely from a bank and we have nuclear scientist and mechanical engineeris in various functions in a bank. Waht i meant is the commercial world. i.e. accountigna and finance for names like microsoft, apple, etc
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Banking is also commercial. But I understand you are taking it from that point of view. I highly doubt you are wrong again, but I can't back it up firmly yeah =). Anyone who played their cards right wouldn't be taking drastic paycuts, or even minor paycuts anyhow.
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post Feb 10 2011, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(Wickwack @ Feb 9 2011, 07:47 PM)
Is it difficult for fresh grads to enter directly into advisory? Is the normal path audit -> advisory?
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Slightly more difficult. Understand that they would recommend you to go audit 1 year first then switch, but going in fresh is common enough that if you're determined enough, no issue there.
Also don't expect you will be the one doing any 'consulting' in the early years. Grunt work forms a big portion of it and no prizes for guessing which level does them.
You are first a 'consultant' (rank basis) when you become AM.
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post Mar 6 2011, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(Garfie @ Mar 5 2011, 10:00 PM)
seems like 9th floor is quite happening. shall camp there too smile.gif
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Buaya.
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post Apr 5 2011, 12:14 AM

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There's the thing with audit firms. So hierarchy, rank-and-fileish when honestly the difference in age between a typical associate and senior associate is probably 1-2 years. Weakness of a structured progression system, where unless you suck beyond suck you'd definitely make senior in 2 years.



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