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HawkreiN
post Jan 27 2011, 08:30 AM

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2 people for First Class and got rejected does not really make sense, I am sure you guys did ok in the interview. Definitely apply for the other big 4, but I thought they have a shortage of people now. Do they just not want to train fresh grads during tax season?
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post Jan 27 2011, 10:29 AM

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With all due respect, a 1st class degree doesn't guarantee you a job. The accounting firms use academics as a cut-off criterion. After that, whether you get hired depends on how well you talk, how well you present yourself, and how well you know your stuff off the paper. It also matters a great deal whether you were active in sports and extra-curricular activities.

Your assumption that 'they did ok in the interview' based on their acedemic qualifications is a little misguided. I'm not saying they didn't do ok, I am saying that other people probably did better. Based on my experience as a hiring manager, academic performence is no guarantee that the hiree will do well in the interview. Your qualifications alone are not enough to win you the job when compared to people who excelled in other areas in addition to academics.

Rather than bemoan the rejection, it would be better to call up the HR and find out why you didn't make the cut so that you can improve in the next interview.

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QUOTE(CKJMark @ Jan 27 2011, 10:29 AM)
With all due respect, a 1st class degree doesn't guarantee you a job.  The accounting firms use academics as a cut-off criterion.  After that, whether you get hired depends on how well you talk, how well you present yourself, and how well you know your stuff off the paper.  It also matters a great deal whether you were active in sports and extra-curricular activities. 

Your assumption that 'they did ok in the interview' based on their acedemic qualifications is a little misguided.  I'm not saying they didn't do ok, I am saying that other people probably did better.  Based on my experience as a hiring manager, academic performence is no guarantee that the hiree will do well in the interview.  Your qualifications alone are not enough to win you the job when compared to people who excelled in other areas in addition to academics.

Rather than bemoan the rejection, it would be better to call up the HR and find out why you didn't make the cut so that you can improve in the next interview.
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FYI, I didn't get the interview smile.gif I am not saying first class will guarantee me a job, but i hope at least the interview !
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post Jan 27 2011, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(CKJMark @ Jan 27 2011, 10:29 AM)
1st class degree doesn't guarantee you a job.  Whether you land the job also depends on your presentation skills, your outlook, your communication skills, your extra-curricular activities, and other factors. 

Your assumption that 'they did ok in the interview' based on their acedemic qualifications is a little misguided.  I'm not saying they didn't do ok, I am saying that other people probably did better.  Based on my experience as a hiring manager, academic performence is no guarantee that the hiree will do well in the interview.  Your qualifications alone are not enough to win you the job when compared to people who excelled in other areas in addition to academics.

The accounting firms use academics as a cut-off criterion.  After that, whether you get hired depends on how well you talk, how well you present yourself, and how well you know your stuff off the paper.  It also matters a great deal whether you were active in sports and extra-curricular activities.  The paper qualifications only help you make the sorting bin.

Rather than bemoan the rejection, it would be better to call up the HR and find out why you didn't make the cut so that you can improve in the next interview.
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I agree on the extra curricular part because from all the interviews I have attended and got offers for, mostly don't centre around my studies once I got in for interviews. If u have good extra-c record they will tend to ask u relate your leadership scenarios or focus more on that besides asking about basic tell me about yourself etc. With that being said, even with first class there will always be masters out there to rival -.-" been to those programs offered by banks and most are equipped with masters when they apply for such jobs. Also, the English part when presenting is very much important.

Perhaps next time when one ends the interview, ask them about your performance on the spot eg. Off the record, may I know how did I do for the interview and is there anything that I should work on to improve myself?
It works for all my interviews and most will be glad to answer u (of coz I have encountered some that said so far so good and wait for call only -.-")
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post Jan 27 2011, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(-YS- @ Jan 27 2011, 10:48 AM)
FYI, I didn't get the interview smile.gif I am not saying first class will guarantee me a job, but i hope at least the interview !
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My apologies if my post implied expectation, its a little hard to convey tone online. No offence was intended.

Sorry to hear that you didn't get called up. I can't hope to explain why you were not selected, perhaps they had their reasons or they just didn't have anymore vacancies at the moment. From what I know of the industry, the large amount of vacancies are currently at the senior and manager level, not so much the freshie level.

On the plus side, there are 3 other firms to go to. Good luck with the other applications.
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post Jan 27 2011, 01:32 PM

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Actually a little surprised. I was under the impression that the firms are in dire need of audit associates now. Usually first class is a golden ticket into PwC (A friend who got first class got in without the whole interview process. O_o;;;)

I'd suspect that how you present your CV and cover letter plays a major part; usage of grammar and how you express yourself counts for the position.

andrienne, I won't be your senior per say, coz tax advisory and performance advisory are under different structure/partners. Different floors as well. wink.gif
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QUOTE(kyosukekisaragi @ Jan 27 2011, 01:32 PM)
Actually a little surprised. I was under the impression that the firms are in dire need of audit associates now. Usually first class is a golden ticket into PwC (A friend who got first class got in without the whole interview process. O_o;;;)

I'd suspect that how you present your CV and cover letter plays a major part; usage of grammar and how you express yourself counts for the position.

andrienne, I won't be your senior per say, coz tax advisory and performance advisory are under different structure/partners. Different floors as well. wink.gif
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Does it make sense if i tell you my CV should be fine, not perfect but fine, because I got myself Accenture interview this morning ? However, i will try EY smile.gif Cheers for all contributing opinions and suggestions here ! Thanks a lot smile.gif
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QUOTE(-YS- @ Jan 27 2011, 10:08 PM)
Does it make sense if i tell you my CV should be fine, not perfect but fine, because I got myself Accenture interview this morning ? However, i will try EY smile.gif Cheers for all contributing opinions and suggestions here ! Thanks a lot smile.gif
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Wah. If that's the case, dunno why adi man... Maybe somebody in HR has a grudge against you or something.. O_o
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post Jan 27 2011, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(-YS- @ Jan 27 2011, 10:08 PM)
Does it make sense if i tell you my CV should be fine, not perfect but fine, because I got myself Accenture interview this morning ? However, i will try EY smile.gif Cheers for all contributing opinions and suggestions here ! Thanks a lot smile.gif
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perhaps you shouldn't solely try one firm only
try all big four u definitely would get a job =)
anyway i would join ey soon after CNY haha
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QUOTE(-YS- @ Jan 27 2011, 10:08 PM)
Does it make sense if i tell you my CV should be fine, not perfect but fine, because I got myself Accenture interview this morning ? However, i will try EY smile.gif Cheers for all contributing opinions and suggestions here ! Thanks a lot smile.gif
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QUOTE(kyosukekisaragi @ Jan 27 2011, 11:08 PM)
Wah. If that's the case, dunno why adi man... Maybe somebody in HR has a grudge against you or something.. O_o
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The way I see it, it should be the firm's loss, too bad for them. So why bother? tongue.gif


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QUOTE(xueyu @ Jan 27 2011, 11:27 PM)
perhaps you shouldn't solely try one firm only
try all big four u definitely would get a job =)
anyway i would join ey soon after CNY haha
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when u starting? what position? when did u apply?
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QUOTE(lilster @ Jan 27 2011, 11:34 PM)
when u starting? what position? when did u apply?
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audit associate XD
second week of feb starting haha
erm..probably end of dec i applied for it..
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post Jan 28 2011, 12:09 AM

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oh, i am planning to wait for acca results on feb 21st. hopefully not too late =S
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QUOTE(xueyu @ Jan 27 2011, 11:42 PM)
audit associate XD
second week of feb starting haha
erm..probably end of dec i applied for it..
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on the 7th? i am starting on the 7th biggrin.gif
abit nervous tongue.gif
gotta enjoy these few days to the max!

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post Jan 28 2011, 09:48 AM

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All the best! AS is very knowledgeable and a good mentor. You can learn a lot from him. But just be prepared for short turnaround time projects and tight deadlines, which are the norm for advisory.
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QUOTE(CKJMark @ Jan 28 2011, 09:48 AM)
All the best!  AS is very knowledgeable and a good mentor.  You can learn a lot from him.  But just be prepared for short turnaround time projects and tight deadlines, which are the norm for advisory.
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post Jan 28 2011, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(CKJMark @ Jan 17 2011, 10:08 AM)
Starting pay is around RM2.5K  Some firms have revised to RM2.7K but not all.  Depends on who you join.

Yes, the hierarchy is generally as above along with the progression time.
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PwC revised to RM2.7k.
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post Jan 28 2011, 05:43 PM

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u mean 2.7k for what qualification?
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post Jan 28 2011, 09:27 PM

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kpmg (2011 fresh grad for audit, advisory & tax)
2.7k = degree
2.9k = degree + prof cert (acca, cfa, cisa etc)

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