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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V67, Alex's 1447 or 1388.....

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post Dec 3 2010, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Dec 3 2010, 11:46 PM)
Bursa is so not informative.

I read this page trying to understand warrants, and I can't find answer.  doh.gif
http://www.klse.com.my/website/bm/products...d_warrants.html

My immediate questions:
1. -W is what? call warrant or put warrant?
2. What's the difference between call/put warrant?
3. What happen when the call/put warrant expire?

Until now, I still getting all kinds of different answers. Try to find accurate answer at Bursa (since I worry different market has different definitions) but can't find any.  rclxub.gif

Added on December 3, 2010, 11:52 pm

my first buying was at 0.845.  tongue.gif
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yeah it's quite lacking. do you need help with those questions? my arreit buy-in was around 84.5 also icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 3 2010, 11:53 PM)
Most welcome  drool.gif
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hahaha drool.gif i'd sell whatever i have to top up at 83
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post Dec 4 2010, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(tanch78 @ Dec 4 2010, 12:20 AM)
my best price is 89.x - 90 cents (but small purchase as no bullet last time)

me small time investor... somemore my brokerage fee is 0.4% ....

shall i sell off my only 10 lots STONEFRIEND shares for ARREIT?  rclxub.gif I am now looking for dividend play...
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wah stonefriend baru issue buy signal you wanna sell liao ? u need to refer to all the other stone friend masters here. i tarak stone friend blush.gif
0.4 is quite standard with margin. nod.gif

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post Dec 4 2010, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(drsaleh @ Dec 4 2010, 12:42 AM)
yok.. try to answer your q, someone else can correct me if wrong

-W is warrant that is dished out by the company. e.g. IJM-WC is warrant that issued by IJM before. usually conversion 1:1. at the end of the expiry, u need to convert to mother share if u still holding it. that means you have to fork out your money to pay 'the exercise price'.

where else -C is structured warrant that is issued by investment banks. usually American style, ie cash setttlement. conversion rate differs, sometimes 1:3, even 1:10 also got. At the end of the expiry date, if the warrant is in the money, you'll get paid in cash. hence the term cash settlement. you CANNOT convert to mother share at any time, not during the trading day, and not even before expiry.
If it is out of money, all your money burn lo.

put warrant if not mistaken, is for hedging purposes. Since it is not shariah approved, I didnt bother reading about it. But I remember reading somewhere in Robert Kiyosaki book, mentioning how to leverage and make money using put warrant.

Hope this help.
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just some amendments. if the CW is out of money, no harm -you just lose a little money. if it's below the strike price (all CWs have this), then might as well just burn it. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Larrylow @ Dec 4 2010, 04:57 PM)
Got a personal question for you, cherroy, haha

From you posts, seem like you are more incline towards high dividend stocks and reits investment. Don't you do trading or invest in undervalued stocks?

Btw, UMA you abit if you don't mind, what is your capital appreciation with this style of investment over the years?  smile.gif
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if i recall.. there was a mention cherroy used to do futures.
n his posts have the impression he's eaten garam since before i was born. notworthy.gif
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post Dec 4 2010, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ Dec 4 2010, 08:01 PM)
see the table below... i also dont know what it talk about.. can someone care to explain itu table ar?
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from left to right

Latest Reporting Period
DPU/ Distribution per Unit (or Payout per Share)
Price
Yield (calculated by trailing DPU or combining the payouts for the previous 4 quarters)
NAV - Net Asset Value

as u can see some yields are not that favourable, while others are quite strong.
there are various factors in REITs but the people over at the REITs thread can definitely help u out.

in my opinion, i'd choose reits if i want really high-yield & stable investments.

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QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Dec 5 2010, 02:23 AM)
futures eh? yeah, I got arang batu experience with them. for those forumers talking about indices
I would really like to see them post their pov and see its performance with my own eyes  brows.gif then I can learn something new
anyway, whether active or passive, as long as performance beat fd & inflation rate is ho seh liao  rclxms.gif

the higher the risk, the higher the return. depends on one's own risk appetite  rolleyes.gif
if young, go sai lang la. if mature due to garam, then take it easy & enjoy the sunset years  biggrin.gif
once reach age 70, wan a peaceful mind coz others say must keep mind sharp & active at all times & enjoy wat we do
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ive got a small capital in futures too. playing 1 contract at a time but now taking a break from it cuz of the stress. so far made a few bad calls, and some good ones so overall a good gain. but i'd prefer stocks over futures because futures really put a lot of pressure on you, and really need a good trading plan a lot of technical experience, and hella good information sources doh.gif . even goreng stocks is nothing compared to the stress when trading in futs. sweat.gif but one reason im still doing futs is cuz of my broker lah, so cute. wub.gif

QUOTE(Superman7 @ Dec 5 2010, 02:04 AM)
CI all time high how come you guys still looking at REIT?
just wanna know your opinions..
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i think they're just discussing about REITs as an alternative to high-yield divs. REITs is like touch n go to me, once in a while must top up one tongue.gif

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post Dec 5 2010, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Dec 5 2010, 07:24 PM)
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i'm gonna give my view on this.

yok's got a point though, so do you. my generation 'kids' (as u guys call them blush.gif) a lot of them are thinking this way. going into forex, into warrants first before understanding the dynamics of the market. compare it with the older 30-40 y/o guys i meet at the Bursa market chats / AGMs, their approach is different.

i enjoy reading yok's morning coffee reports so.. notworthy.gif
would love to hear your view on the markets also notworthy.gif

anyway, .. we're all here to learn and contribute right! doesn't matter what view it is as long as its a view that makes $$ icon_rolleyes.gif and i learned a lot thanks to the seniors here. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Dec 5 2010, 08:33 PM)
well then, I also enjoy reading the klse thread, since u guys got the pulse on the local market
my era, no different, all wan make quick bugs by just listening & reading the analyst report etc
I also got burnt in klse during my virgin days, many moons ago. did forex, futures, warrants, penny/goreng counter & wat not

no one I know started off with high dividend defensive counters, we all just thought we were smart & wanted to show we can do better
now that I hav eaten my portion of kicap. I will tell newbies to invest in high dividend defensive counters
the only problem for some of them, it is very pricey & slow moving laugh.gif

no point talking about woulda, coulda or shoulda, its all in the past, we must move forward & learn from mistake
some can progress to fa, ta & combine both. others just surrender or went halfway, be passive & go for unit trust & etc. its a free world!
ur own passion & drive for something will deliver ur own rewards  nod.gif

how is their approach? hmm.gif  compare it with the older 30-40 y/o guys i meet at the Bursa market chats / AGMs, their approach is different.
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wah what can i say, you already took the words outta my mouth. shocking.gif
i must say you described my journey so far pretty much notworthy.gif

anyway, my observations about the older guys approach (those at the bursa market chats) is that most are quite new to the market. Current holdings incl Unit Trusts, Gold, traditional heavyweights (like Btoto, Public Bank, Genting and maybe some recent hot stocks etc), Forex (mostly Aus), and foreign-FDs for their kids. they were looking for ways / hot tips to improve their capital gains. most of the guys i've talked to (including my dad, but i taught him a bit of TA tongue.gif) say that TA is a new thing to them. in fact the odd thing is that most of them have their capital invested elsewhere, in Hang Seng (incl. A-shares), Singapore, US, Aus. Most haven't even heard of REITs or what their structure is like.

but thats just my observation from talking to people at these events, they might be an exceptional case i don't really know. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Dec 5 2010, 10:30 PM)
Exactly. Most stocks that I bought in Feb-March 2009, now should double at least. Some sold it earlier this year, some, still keeping. Even when I told my friends that most of my trades gained at least 100%, but they found it hard to believe but if you look at overall market, no matter what stocks that you bought in 2009, now should at least double (good fundamental stocks though). I do see that the more often we trade, our profit margin will become lower and lower even though you are actually making money from every trade. Not sure why this happens though.  hmm.gif
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well, one stock going 100% is equal to 5 times ~20% gain. its not easy to pull of 5 20% short term trades because need to spot 5 potential movers.

not many people can do that unless they play leverage like warrants. nod.gif so technically you got stellar performance!
my holding power for 09 was too weak. up 20-25% i run and switch stocks. this year hehe, 50% also duwan let go with 10% trailing. biggrin.gif

that's another good tuition fee paid. brows.gif

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QUOTE(popcorn513 @ Dec 5 2010, 11:09 PM)
sorry sulifeisgreat if i created useless reply in this thread tongue.gif
So its so difficult to invest stock using short term method? hmm.gif
Because i'm more interested in short term than long term, using reversal indicator method but (but so far i don success much, making lose now sweat.gif )
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i dunno. it's possible to make big and fast. really up to your style hmm.gif but buffett-style is mega holding power. notworthy.gif

IMO, TA by itself is quite ineffective without understanding the remaining factors in the market (sentiment, stock profile, management, hot sectors etc). but pure TA is more useful for derivatives . icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(popcorn513 @ Dec 5 2010, 11:59 PM)
Lol thanks, i'm a technical personal so quite interest on TA but will try learning the fundamental as well
Any good book to recommend for short term investment?
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i dunno lol i alphabet blind (buta huruf) one, if you're interested in TA then u can get chartnexus, and spend hours on it playing with the charts like me cry.gif
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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Dec 6 2010, 01:10 AM)
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So which category you wan to belong to? The 80% or 20%? I'm sure you guys know which category does Warren Buffet belongs to biggrin.gif
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noted nod.gif and fully agree with your observations smile.gif

QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Dec 6 2010, 01:48 AM)
heheh... u can't teach old dogs new tricks. tats y, when young, better sai lang, so later can become old wise dog. otherwise when new dog ask question, we can't say. 'been there, done that'  laugh.gif
if u r trader, take the 20% profit and leave remainder to ride. if u r investor, just close eyes & don't bother anymore
anyway, with the ge coming, they need funds, so careful, coz when klse is quiet, its damn bloody quiet 
if market gostan, at least u had took out some money for enjoyment
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ge coming need funds? i thought when GE comes it'll run up. not sure about the GE effects.. unsure.gif
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haha!

KSL - up 0.09 (5.521%) , the power of Dali brows.gif
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QUOTE(Myoswee @ Dec 6 2010, 09:05 AM)
GAB RM 10 this month?  wub.gif
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wah MUFJ buying. it's gonna be another PANAMY again tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jtic @ Dec 6 2010, 09:06 AM)
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i observe this counter for 1 month liao arghhh...
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gotta make decision soon .. friday was at 1.57 now 1.74 liao.. blush.gif
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FAJAR-WA
single transaction 3,400 lots (x100) done at 66 sen.

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QUOTE(houseofaz @ Dec 6 2010, 10:07 AM)
anyone hear anything about BIMB (5258)?

yes i know its a pretty lousy counter, but there are small talks of it being privatised(?)/acquired(?) within these two weeks...
don't know if there will be much upside, but i'd still like to check it out...

anyone wanna shed some light here? or really just rumours only..

DISCLAIMER:
1. not a call to buy/sell
2. i swear i'm not trying to start a rumour.. only heard one and trying to verify
3. i'm completely noob so pls don't be too garang if i did something wrong.. or end up talking thru my ass..

p.s. my sources are from the government, not bankers... so could be very misleading

thanks for any help at all
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BIMB's been in my TA watchlist for a while already, observing some accummulating behaviour unsure.gif but i haven't heard of those rumours before.
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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Dec 6 2010, 10:11 AM)
all hyper on drb lio ?
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WAH SUPER MISLEADING!
it was down to 1.43 then boom boom pow shocking.gif
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Dec 6 2010, 10:17 AM)
JCY..how low can you go? sweat.gif
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just don't bother about that stock.
few factors

a lot of conspiracy theories going around
management is being superduper quiet.

that is what's creating all the noise and overselling brows.gif
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QUOTE(staind @ Dec 6 2010, 10:22 AM)
The management is making some noise after seeing your post.  tongue.gif

The Star - Analysts cautious on billionaire's....
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EH EH!
what a timing laugh.gif

well it's good that they cleared something up. last time, KNM was eerily quiet when their share was nosediving from 80 sen to 50 sen, in the end some comments from the management really helped shareholders confidence.

thanks for the read notworthy.gif

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