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Streamyx Streamyx Capping International Connections, Regardless of type of traffic or usage!
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ahpek26
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Nov 27 2010, 03:48 AM
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QUOTE(vivre @ Nov 26 2010, 11:42 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This fine evening, a TM technician called me, and the conversation took over 30 minutes. He was basically trying to help me with the slow connection (or should I say capped connection), and he was very kind too and have the technical background too.
In summary, these are the key understandings that I still remember (not in order ya, coz I just wrote whatever came across in my mind, just got back from watching movie too, so started to forget some of the details): a. YES and YES, TM has enforced the capped under the Fair Usage Policy. And he said he could not anything as it was coming from higher level - and the reason that was believed to allow TM to do so is because we have signed the form and there was FUP policy b. It seems that the international bandwidth has been used up to the CRITICAL level, and prompted them to make this swift move. c. This move is believed to be a 'strategic' move so that existing Streamyx users will migrate to Unifi (where the quota is real and stated upfront) unlike Streamyx which does not impose any quota. d. Apparently, there is automated system where it monitors the bandwidth used on daily basis and enforce the speed cap across the user base, whenever the bandwidth is saturated. Unfortunately, this system does not monitor INDIVIDUAL usage, but rather as a whole. So, it does not mean that if you don't clog the bandwidth you are safe. e. He believes that this cap is temporary while waiting for the Unifi subscriber's base to increase. f. The cap is enforced based on the package (meaning to say 4mbps should be getting higher capped international speed thatn 1.5 mbps) g. It seems that TM won't go public with this speed cap to take care of their reputation. (Remember when Unifi was launched with quota, the whole nation was condemning them, and later they retracted the quota 'temporarily') h. The growing number of 'big-buffet-eater' (read: Unifi users) has something to do with 'running-out-of'bandwidth' effect that all of use are currently facing. i. The word "Unlimited" in Streamyx ads refer to the access and not the bandwidth.
What I did: a. I asked him to escalate to higher management to let the public knows about this cap. b. I told him many were flaming and bashing TM, especially nowadays after the sudden speed cap. c. The FUP should be more transparent rather than GENERIC FUP i.e. Unifi, Maxis BB, Digi BB clearly states their monthly quota.
That's all. I will add more if I managed to recall some of it. Hope this helps.
 Thanks for the getting the clarification. You can bypass the so called "capped" but only if you using local proxy. But lets face it, a local proxy that allow people to download is few or just non-existent. Come on VPN, proxy, web ui torrent and DDL leech provider, get some local server or else your going to go belly up soon This post has been edited by ahpek26: Nov 27 2010, 03:49 AM
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ahpek26
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Nov 27 2010, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(eichi-sama @ Nov 27 2010, 01:52 PM) It's getting worse, now I only got 10-15kbps only even on VPN . *headdesk VPN can bypass throttling and shaping but if they limit your speed then you can't do anything. Thing is, most VPN providers use international server for their VPN solutions. Since streamyx already limit the speed to sh*t (for home, not cooperate/biz), you can use whatever bypass you want, it still won't work. Now if the VPN provider is using a local server, that would be a different story since local speed is not limited, throttle or shape in way (well at least for most places, excluding cyberjaya). But the problem is, local server is expensive and just plain sh*t, hence the reason why they use international server in the first place.
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ahpek26
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Nov 27 2010, 04:50 PM
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Found an interesting thing just now.
Server: Speedtest.net; Singapore, US (San Jose)
IPs: 115.133.*.* - 50-60, 30-40KB/s 175.155.*.* - 120-150, 100-120KB/s
Area: KJ
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ahpek26
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Nov 28 2010, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE(qwer312 @ Nov 28 2010, 12:06 AM) how about testing the speed with downloading the nvidia driver? can it be reference? i also slow in access international site...ip 175* http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-usThats an excellent idea. Speedtest.net has been proven to be very inaccurate in their testing. For example when testing local server the speed is consistent so no issues there, confirmed by checking bandwidth monitor and getting a nice smooth graph. However when testing international server the speed is fast but its a whole different story with bandwidth monitor as it shows jagged and severe inconsistencies (which speedtest.net does not take into consideration). Local speed test shows a nice average speed while international server doesn't. Why? Maybe speedtest.net wants people to get good (or the best) result hence the reason for providing a not-so-accurate result. For future speedtest use a reliable server like microsoft, nvidia/ati, apple or game trailers (ign, gametrailers.com) to measure the speed. Since most of this server allow the use of multiple connections this will max out your line which will give a more accurate speedtest. This post has been edited by ahpek26: Nov 28 2010, 12:35 AM
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ahpek26
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Nov 28 2010, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE(nders @ Nov 28 2010, 12:48 AM) we have no proof for if they really cap or not. just random ppl and random low-level technician claiming the cap. if i were a streamyx lowlevel tech, i'd push the responsibility to the higher level "capping" too. and we all know streamyx techs are lazy and like to "relay" the problems to others... when I test connecting msn.com and other US sites, i still get lost packets, just like when there are cable faults and tsunami's or whatnot. If you got a bandwidth monitor/speed monitor program then you'll see the real picture, as oppose to those online speedtest. Its an obvious capping since every download source I've tried has the same capped speed. I've even using up to 19 connections per file and the speed is still slow on every server (excluding local server). If theres no cap then can you explain why I got 2 different results from 2 different set of ips? One being capped while other are not. If its a packet loss of just cable problem then obviously the ping would be affected but oddly enough, it isn't.
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ahpek26
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Nov 28 2010, 03:28 AM
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QUOTE(carmatic @ Nov 28 2010, 03:09 AM) TM brings together the worst of a government ISP (monopoly) and the worst of being a private company (can do what they want) That is TM for you, targeting to be best of the worst. Guess with this global cap they've once again set the standard for the sh*ttest ISP in the world. Failing to provide even a mere 512Kbps for international bandwidth, LMAO. Their next goal is to go lower the cap. Why stop at 50%-90% cap when you so close to 99.99% PS: Only a certain IP range is NOT affected by the cap. My 175 ip range is running file all day long to both local and international server. Since unifi users have their own ip range and are not affected by the cap, the system might be ip-based? Just a wild guess
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ahpek26
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Nov 29 2010, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(mita @ Nov 28 2010, 11:59 PM) One highly effective "weapon" we can use is boycott. If boycott is not convenient, we can all work together to downgrade our existing plan from 4 mb to 1mb or 1mb to 512kbps. That will surely send a strong signal to the director room that something must be done to regain the trust of boleh people. Maybe they can offer a more transparent fair user policy ? something like when will they cap our usage so we can plan our usage "strategically" ? Shouting and insulting on phone is useless. Complaining here is also useless (but will help vent our frustration collectively). Making complaint on that SKMM thing is equally useless. Lets play boycott (on their unifi) or downgrade .... Woohooo (ie Someone can create a facebook page to blah blah tmnut) ......) Yea, I know nobody is interested, because we all still harbor a glimmer of hope TMNUT will rectify this issue tommorow  I think downgrading defeats the purpose of "not" supporting TM since you will be renewing your contract hence you cant cancel them. Sure you can but you have to pay a fine and thats +1 for TM yet again. I suggest unsubscribing TM's services altogether, that would really be the kick in nut for TMnut's nuts. But lets face it, what other non-wireless broadband solution is available? As for myself theres no Jaring, Maxis or Time wired in my area so I only have sh*t wireless broadband to look forward to. Gonna say pass. About the whole street/public protests thing I will say good luck getting spray, beat up and hunted down by the ISA. Democratic country my a**.
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ahpek26
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Nov 29 2010, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE(biatche @ Nov 29 2010, 12:23 AM) But you're right, just for a bit of better internet, who'd wanna go to the can for that. But will ISA act for just protests? Not like we're causing riots, right? Sigh, this is all getting out of hand. Helpless citizen. Well getting ISA'd is probably too much for just internet protests but hey, it could happen. Polis kata jangan QUOTE(blindbox @ Nov 29 2010, 12:33 AM) Okay guys, let's remind each other again, go to the thread post and then follow the guides to complain. From my observation, we are hard-capped at 50 KB/s Location: Kuala Lumpur, Taman Keramat Permai. Thing is though for my case, its not account capped but rather ip capped. I don't want to disconnect and get a sh*t ip just to display a sh*t speedtest result that will never amount to anything. My 115 ip range is definitely capped while my 175 ip range is not capped. Not all 175 ip range is not capped since I remembered getting slow speed on some of them. Currently 175 ip range is running fine so god f'ing know whats going with those monkeys.
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ahpek26
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Nov 29 2010, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(shitmyx @ Nov 29 2010, 05:58 PM) Inform the CC boss, let him complain kaw kaw to TM. QUOTE(bai1101 @ Nov 29 2010, 06:14 PM) i believe this is server problem not capping. Cause during Jan this year i do suffer same problem which is stuck at 1 mbps during 5pm to 2am other time it was 4 mbps it take nearly 1 month plus to settle my problem. O rly? Then why is it after certain time (e.g. After 12AM) the line magically becomes fast again? Oh wait don't tell me thats when they're swapping the bad server with good server. Then later on after 9AM or so they replace it with the good server with the bad server. Come on
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ahpek26
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Nov 29 2010, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE(mylinear @ Nov 29 2010, 06:47 PM) Congestion where? On international link? Almost the whole day long? Will congestion be pretty much constant all the time? I don't know mylinear it seems like theres more to this slowdown then it seems. This morning I tried downloading from hotfile free user and I got about 100-120KB/s which is normal. Now it seems like its slowing down to about 80-90KB/s. Well thats kinda normal I guess but heres the thing. Sometimes the speed is stuck at a certain speed, like its capped. Other times it seems like the speed is spiking from max to average speed which suggests congestion and not capping. So it could be both cap and congestion going on here. PS: Tested with the same ip address.
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ahpek26
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Nov 29 2010, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(mylinear @ Nov 29 2010, 07:01 PM) From what I understand, the cap is not like a hard / fixed cap. When total bandwidth usage in an area / exchange hits a set upper limit, the throttling begins and the speeds starts to come down. As more users download, the speed comes down even more. I've seen the cap behavior and congested behavior. When I'm capped I cant pass say 30KBs no matter what I do. Increasing connections or downloading multiple files at once and the speed remains at 30KBps. However there are times where the speed goes up (max I can get), down (slowest), then goes to average. Repeated until file is finish. Now it could be some kinda international link problem instead of just plain ol streamyx congestion or something else. But the point is there is more than just "it's capped" or "it's congestion". Maybe TM is capping but at the same time, there is a serious congestion as well. But as usual we can only speculate since nobody has credible source from way up high from TM. Some did get feedback from TM CS but come on, what the hell do they know? They're probably just agreeing to whatever your suggesting to get rid of you. They're probably keep in the dark just like every TM customers.
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ahpek26
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Nov 29 2010, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(SweetPuff @ Nov 29 2010, 07:44 PM) How to call that customer interaction thingy 100 from a mobile. Tried 100 or 03100 also kennot?? Damn annoyed that may Steam download is now at 7kbps. And I can't finish a single game of Black Ops without getting disconnected. 1-300-889-515 I wouldn't bother with calling them but hey its your money
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ahpek26
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Nov 29 2010, 08:36 PM
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Alright now I can confirm that there is a capping and previously my line was not cap because it haven't reach the limit.
Just perform a simple speedtest with a Malaysian proxy. Take this proxy 219.93.178.162:3128 courtesy of TMnet and try a speed to any server in the international server in the US, EU or Asia and compared it without using this proxy.
The results will speak for itself.
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ahpek26
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Nov 29 2010, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(ahpek26 @ Nov 29 2010, 08:36 PM) Alright now I can confirm that there is a capping and previously my line was not cap because it haven't reach the limit. Just perform a simple speedtest with a Malaysian proxy. Take this proxy 219.93.178.162:3128 courtesy of TMnet and try a speed to any server in the international server in the US, EU or Asia and compared it without using this proxy. The results will speak for itself. In addition, try this one, another Malaysian proxy by Time 211.24.188.186:8080 and try do a speedtest singapore server and see if theres any slowdown. To US its not so good but definitely better than not using any proxy. Do take note that this is a public proxy so use at your own risk
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ahpek26
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Nov 29 2010, 09:27 PM
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I'm kinda happy you guys are happy with it but for me this is just a temporary fix to a huge problem. Its just like TM's ways of saving money, instead of buying more bandwidth they cap torrent. Then to save more money, use another shortcut and shape/throttle filename.
And now we reach the sh*test of sh*t, CAP EVERYTHING, PERIOD. Are you guys seriously happy with this "temporary" solution since lets face it, its not gonna last a long time. When they start noticing a huge bandwidth has been abuse by this proxy they're definitely gonna kill it.
And do take note, I don't know if that proxy is genuinely from TM or from some guy pretending to be TM. Hell it could literally be anybody but TM themselves so better watch it.
As for me, I want a more long-term solution, not this "temporary" patch/workaround.
This post has been edited by ahpek26: Nov 29 2010, 09:28 PM
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ahpek26
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Nov 29 2010, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Nov 29 2010, 11:05 PM) What do you reckon is the percentage of streamyx subscribers that are affected by the capping? Judging by the numbers of screams from this thread alone, I would say 90% of streamyx home users? Might even be 99% since I only saw 1-2 people not screaming and stating their line is not cap. But I think everyone is cap its just that the capping system has not yet kick in which explains why their speed is still good.
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ahpek26
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Nov 30 2010, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(MX510 @ Nov 30 2010, 11:13 AM) I can confirmed with TM representative they are doing testing with the system and waiting for feedbacks so you can complaint and fakap them What is there to complain? Can't download sh*t here. Doubt they're going to compensate subscribers for this unethical capping exercise, doubt they're going to actually tell us how the cap works, how much is the cap, what is the cap speed, nothing, nadaaaaaa. F**K TM.
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ahpek26
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Nov 30 2010, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(biatche @ Nov 30 2010, 01:08 PM) I got an idea for u guys who love calling them. You call them, look for the supervisor. Get his name. Ask him what's going on and if they are aware got problem. Now post his name here and get someone else to call and ask him same questions. See if he say same thing. Oh I like this idea. Come come lets contribute
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ahpek26
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Nov 30 2010, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(socratesman @ Nov 30 2010, 02:36 PM) They even cap connections to local Cyberjaya (netmyne?) !!!Why!Why!Why! Local also congested? 202.71.108.233 (is this a netmyne @ cyberjaya box?)  but speed to Penang is fine  They know you want to be naughty and download stuff via your local proxy/seedbox/vpn to bypass the cap, hehe
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ahpek26
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Nov 30 2010, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(blackcsc @ Nov 30 2010, 03:06 PM) anymore business users were affected ^.^ Seems like sum1 gotta sue them kao kao like last time when yahoo was down for duno how long and yahoo lost how many billions @.@ So should TMNut gonna bear for the loses of the business users as well ?? TM: No we won't. TM: Pay your bills, your 3 weeks late.
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