Bro are you sure? ABS is installed even in trucks in US.. with rear drum brakes... wouldnt it defeat the purpose if the back tires were to lockup despite the front doesnt?

but i do think ya. if u were to get them.. get them with all 4 disc brakes.... since i dont think there is any proton with ABS that doesnt have 4 disc brakes... not worth the risk to try get the correct configuration without 4 disc ...hehe "hopefully proton did.. do proper RnD on their brake system.. or at least paid some company to do for them"

perhaps just call proton i-care to get the number.. could be easier.. sorry.. i got the list of all PESC before this....but i misplaced it already...

hahha perhaps he didnt hit the accelerator well enuff while the sage .... floor the accelerator? hahaha

u sure one saturday they got make repairs? last time i asked.. they say saturday ... no repairs ... only normal routine service....cos too crowded unless .. willing to leave the car and collect following monday...
but maybe i heard wrongly... but still anyone else tat wish to go.. should double check.. just incase..

This post has been edited by khtee: Dec 8 2010, 09:12 PM

this is the question whcih i ponder all the time.. although i just have VS only so far.... i m worried they make noise..... VS can remove and install back easily but.... GC.....:S ... this is the concern holding me back from installing the GC just yet...

i once had nearly 5 litres ... they didnt notice my bottle was 5L package...
the feeling is not .... no power at low rpm ..... the car felt heavy....even for the rpm to go up.... even more noticeable at higher speed....it give the .. pulling sensation.... smooth but pulling... dont feel no power at low rpm...
but then again.. tat wasnt going up cameron

just unplug the oil drain? but be warned ... it will be very very very messy... unless u are skillful enuff and have big container... oh ya u need to plug it back in fast enuff.. u dont wanna over drain them out right?

so if u r not used to change your own engine oil... best if u bring it to a workshop.. (cos i think sc might ignore u.. unless is clearly way above the max line)..
it is just too much hassle to be done by urself.. not to mention... removing exactly 200ml or 300ml .... is quite challenging...

is done by PROTON ....... so they are responsible for any problem...hahaha

cos from common understanding.. your ecu learns from ur driving habits.... to match the engine response and transmission...there are many parameters ur ecu use to try to understand and react to ur driving habit... high rev-er = performance....poorer FC... low rev-er = fuel economy..poorer performance....
for example.... gear change if u r using automatic...

well this is wat i understand and experience on my persona...

HAHA yup.... long tiem ago story man.....during my 1st service... going for my 10k soon...i found out when i came back home
next day go drain out immediately... haha the only time i go sc.. just stop the car....people wait to collect my car drive in .... hahaha

yaya.. some of them can do tat too.... easier... then to drain.. but not all workshop have air pump...haha

hahha.... ya....
240kmph ...is really mad man.... if u survive.. you should really get your car checked... the engine and the gearbox..... but guys .. check out this.. this is the theoretical top speed based on calculation for persona auto


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Top Speed
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Make : Proton
Model : Persona 1.6 (A)

Tyre Size : 195/60/R15 (61.50 cm)
Redzone RPM : 6500

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Gear Ratio
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1st : 2.842
2nd : 1.529
3rd : 1.000
4th : 0.712

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Final Reduction Gear Ratio
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1st : 4.042
2nd : 4.042
3rd : 4.042
4th : 4.042

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Speed & RPM
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1st : 65.59Kmh / 40.74Mph @ 6500 RPM
2nd : 121.92Kmh / 75.73Mph @ 6500 RPM
3rd : 186.42Kmh / 115.79Mph @ 6500 RPM
4th : 261.83Kmh / 162.62Mph @ 6500 RPM

i dont think is the engine.... underpowered.. is the transmission loss too high....especially auto....

tat's the power of manual...!!! ... i m not too sure about persona auto gearbox..... it really depends on the torque converter.....if it is the old type...engine power is transfered to the gear....using liquid.. thus very high loss... but modern auto gearbox should have a shaft that engages(using clutch) when wheel is moving faster....
at least tat is what i understand

from wikipedia...

A torque converter has three stages of operation:
Stall. The prime mover is applying power to the impeller but the turbine cannot rotate. For example, in an automobile, this stage of operation would occur when the driver has placed the transmission in gear but is preventing the vehicle from moving by continuing to apply the brakes. At stall, the torque converter can produce maximum torque multiplication if sufficient input power is applied (the resulting multiplication is called the stall ratio). The stall phase actually lasts for a brief period when the load (e.g., vehicle) initially starts to move, as there will be a very large difference between pump and turbine speed.
Acceleration. The load is accelerating but there still is a relatively large difference between impeller and turbine speed. Under this condition, the converter will produce torque multiplication that is less than what could be achieved under stall conditions. The amount of multiplication will depend upon the actual difference between pump and turbine speed, as well as various other design factors.
Coupling. The turbine has reached approximately 90 percent of the speed of the impeller. Torque multiplication has essentially ceased and the torque converter is behaving in a manner similar to a simple fluid coupling. In modern automotive applications, it is usually at this stage of operation where the lock-up clutch is applied, a procedure that tends to improve fuel efficiency.

simple experiment... try use a fan blowing another fan.... u will notice there is definitely loss there..

how much these turbo cost?!! i m damn tempted now.. .even just for the small turbo...
it might not look much... but wow.... the torque at 3000 rpm is already 150Nm....and growing quick...
just the right rpm for me... for the boost....hahah

how much would those 17inch tyre cost? RM2350 seem cheep considering the rims itself is rm1600

i just gone mine!!! hehehe

if you have 20~30k extra to spare.. i think should be a good car ... but i still prefer persona driver seat.. feel more comfy

if i get tat on my meter i would be happy.. mine usually shows 10.*
Is normal man.. if u drive in city.... with quite an amount of stop move stop traffic...
dont u notice everytime persona move from stop.... the car drags itself.. is simply a heavy car

try it on highway...hehe did around 6.... when driving about 90~100kmph hahaha

did u try manually calculate before? 2.4l for 100km...... even prius cant achieve tat .... ur can challenge those range extender?.. or could it be ... proton sold u the wrong car.. ?hahaha is their prototype...hahaha

oh no wonder.... he is basically never touch the accelerator!! hahaha but still 2.4 is really lil...