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 Micro Four Thirds (m43) User Thread V3, Panasonic G/GH/GFx & Olympus E-P/E-PLx

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post Nov 19 2010, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(jacklsw86 @ Nov 19 2010, 08:48 PM)
The staunch supporter of m43 system, admirer of the awesomeness of pany for their 20mm pancake and easy installation of firmware update. smile.gif

Just wish that pany will realise what the m43's enthusiasts want, and not to succumb to pressure from Sony to create bonsai dslr ><
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The RRP for GF2 with the 14mm is ~RM2.9k. Shows that pana really lost it di.
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post Nov 23 2010, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(ShenWoo @ Nov 23 2010, 03:03 PM)
Just found out the 70-300 M.zuiko cost about 800-900USD ......

WHAT A RIP OFF. When compared other models placed the 70-300 as a budget lens. Oly and Pana sure are exploiting their core customers >.<. I'm considering jumping the bandwagon to Canon or Nikon now that I have a pancake with my EP1 aka my P&S replacement.

On the other hand, the 40-150 with MMF-2  is quite a steal, getting it from USA for a measly sum of 179USD biggrin.gif
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Gonna get shot for this but seriously... m43/mirrorless's strength is in size.. as in not having to lug around a dedicated camera bag... as a compact replacement, second/backup camera.

What's the point of getting long zooms for it?
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post Nov 23 2010, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(ShenWoo @ Nov 23 2010, 03:28 PM)
To exploit the 2X crop, making it cheaper than buying the equivalent lens on other, less smaller sensor size DSLR. Of course its not practically on a range finder camera, I'm talking about telephoto lens options in general for the m4/3 which after a year only start to surface.

But shouldn't small=less material=less cost?

Judging by the line up and past products, almost all the prices had remain consistent with a minor drop of price. Furthermore some of them are mostly plastic body, but can cost as much as the medium grade lens on the 4/3 system. Best examples are the primes, with prices fetching at least 1k and beyond.

That's sure alot to pay for downsizing stuff.
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I think your concept a bit wrong di.

Yes...One of the "benefit" of 2X crop = smaller lens

This does not equal to cheaper lens.

Material cost is only a teeny weeny part of the cost of a product ler... like a computer cpu... the silicon only cost kacang putih but billions are needed for R&D and building the fab.

How many cpu's they need to sell to get back the billions of dollars?

Same thing with these m4/3 lens. The best selling m43's are targeted towards casual users that don't go beyond the kit lenses so the total market volume is small.
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post Nov 23 2010, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(ShenWoo @ Nov 23 2010, 04:37 PM)
In my mind, casual means something approachable. But the lenses that comes out besides the body are fetching quite high. As far as I can see, the only budget lens is the 14-42 kit lens. The rest are almost near the 1k mark and above. There is no budget prime like canon and nikon, or even olympus has like the 50mm for the m43.

Not something like a college kid who just graduated from P&S can afford. I can only see young working adults buying this stuff on the long term.
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To be fair... most of those "affordable" 50mm have their history traced back 80's as kit lens for film SLR's with minor updates as time past by. Essentially this means that the Canon and Nikon would've shipped tooooneeesss of them enough to recoup any initial investments.

Besides those, most decent lens for dslrs also pass the 1K mark wat.





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post Nov 23 2010, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(Wuahaha @ Nov 23 2010, 04:56 PM)
I actually have a mid size bag for my camera stuff, unless I just hang it on my neck, I don't think m43 is any where consider as small. 550D also small lor. sweat.gif
Since it's a 2x crop factor it would be better for extra reach right? Just get a 200mm or 300mm u get a 400mm or 600mm equivalent for 35mm. drool.gif
It's much lighter compared with a DSLR of the same reach right? wink.gif

BTW, is there anyone playing manual focus lenses with their m43 ?? rolleyes.gif
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Yeah.. but then ... wouldn't it be only useful in the best lighting conditions, with tripod and with the bonzai dslr's ergonomics only. rclxub.gif

Which brings back to mirrorless's unique selling preposition. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Wuahaha @ Nov 23 2010, 05:42 PM)
I bought GF1 because I dun like DSLR's bulkness, but it's not small overall also. What I dun like about m43 is that it really lacks m43 lenses and they are pricey. Currently I'm looking at some MF prime lenses now, wonder how practical would it be. hmm.gif Anyone playing with C/M mount lenses or any of Canon FD or Nikon lenses? drool.gif
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You can try to simulate the experience by going out jalan jalan in good light, bad light, no light ... snap some photos with manual focus only.


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post Nov 23 2010, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(Wuahaha @ Nov 23 2010, 08:06 PM)
I've tried MF on the 20mm it's different I think. I had to turn the ring a few cycles before I can get in focus. Maybe it's the focus by wire thing on the pancake hmm.gif

I think the manual focus lenses are easier right, not more than 360 degrees since it's mechanical MF ring? Correct me if I'm wrong sweat.gif
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What I meant is the feel of focussing with LCD and the other hand working on focussing the lens while trying to keep hand steady with magnified view... without being on the tripod.




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post Dec 3 2010, 05:22 PM

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GF2 pre-order open in Hongkong di.
Price is approx RM2K body only!!
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post Dec 29 2010, 06:10 PM

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GILER GF1!!!!

Check this out.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/realityscans/3891747857/
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post Jan 8 2011, 06:51 AM

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QUOTE(pikipiki @ Jan 8 2011, 12:16 AM)
E-PL2+new kitlens+20mm pancake looks like it will gonna be my new gf. LOL

but the RRP is quite a turn off... ...
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Yeah.. E-PL2 looks quite interesting but I think the new control wheel (while better than not having anything at all with the E-PL1) is too small.

And to get it to fit my usage pattern... it gets pretty expensive to buy the E-PL2 + panny pancake.


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post Jan 11 2011, 08:09 AM

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Thread still so quiet despite the E-PL2 launch.

Looks like the market price is out di and it's STILL more expensive than the NEX5.

*sigh* Hard to justify liao

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post Jan 11 2011, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Jan 11 2011, 06:43 PM)
Maybe current owners don't find the E-PL2 a feasible upgrade.
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I reckon it did fix (sorta) some of the main annoyance of the E-PL1

- Scroll wheel
- Better resolution LCD
- Apparently not so plasticky
- Looks MUUUUUCH better
- Faster focussing??

This post has been edited by sniper on the roof: Jan 11 2011, 07:39 PM
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post Jan 11 2011, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Jan 11 2011, 08:28 PM)
Yeah. Olympus did admit that the earlier PENs AF speed is due to the lens.

As for the display, I don't know why their XZ-1 got the better display than the E-PL2.

I hope the future pro PEN will get enough upgrades to justify me to upgrade. Haha.

EDIT: From 43rumors, G3 is coming soon. And if you read the comments, the admin said "I can say is that the G3 is a major step forward"

Now this excites me though I'm no Panasonic bodu user. Not yet.
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Me no likey bonzai dslr form factor.
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post Jan 16 2011, 01:46 AM

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E-PL2 seems very interesting liao.. check out this vid



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post Jan 17 2011, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(faidz85 @ Jan 16 2011, 02:39 PM)
http://shashinki.com/shop/olympus-epl2-dig...ard-p-6742.html

W00t....same price with the E-PL1 when it was launched. Definitely a good buy!
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Kenot say like that lar. Last time got no competition. Now got NEX to come spoil the market.

E-PL2 also ngam ngam selling in Taiwan but the price feels not very ngam as both NEX5 and GF1/2 is cheaper.

Summore have to buy the 20 f1.7 separately to make it a worthwhile package.

All that added together = mucho $$$ doh.gif

Nevertheless.. still find the E-PL2 one of the more interesting recent cameras.
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QUOTE(ahmadpintu @ Jan 17 2011, 09:25 PM)
anyone using gf2?
izzit worth to upgrade from gf1?
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I reckon no... since it's the same sensor.. same everything.. smaller battery... lesser control..lousier kit lens. It does get smaller and a touchy screen in return

Gotta read between the lines here..



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QUOTE(Wuahaha @ Jan 17 2011, 06:40 PM)
Ya lor ... I'm thinking of getting a E-PL2 body liao too hahaha ... brows.gif
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What's your 2 kupang on the GF2?
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post Jan 18 2011, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Wuahaha @ Jan 18 2011, 02:44 PM)
What is kupang ? blink.gif
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Your 20cents on the GF2 tongue.gif

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post Jan 18 2011, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(Wuahaha @ Jan 18 2011, 03:56 PM)
I dunno ler ... I feel GF2 is more for video taking rather than photo shooting. A bit disappointed with it actually lol. I prefer the E-PL2 offerings. tongue.gif
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Can elaborate on that?

I guess after lurking around here for so long.. I still need to justify to myself that I "need" another camera between my 550D, S90, IP4 tongue.gif

QUOTE(jasonkidd_87 @ Jan 18 2011, 05:00 PM)
sifu...need help...
looking to get a pancake lens for my epl-1 for better control for night potrait. i read thru some forum and get to know pana f1.7 20mm and m.zuiko f2.8 17mm. any reviews on these two? =D

thanks sifusss
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This one straightforward question... the no-warranty-panny 20mm f1.7 already cult status for m43. Slightly over 1-stop faster than the Olympus = if you need to use ISO1600 on the Olympus... you can get away with ISO800 with the panny.

The quintessential review site --> http://www.photozone.de/olympus--four-thirds-lens-tests
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QUOTE(Wuahaha @ Jan 18 2011, 06:23 PM)
Can you justify why do you "need" a camera between 550D and S90 ? hmm.gif
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That's the problem... hard to justify though suffer from gearlust everyday.

QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Jan 18 2011, 06:28 PM)
guys... wanna see my new oly?  rclxms.gif

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drool.gif drool.gif Need pics.... lotsa pics.... and your 2 cents on how it performs. How's the performance in terms of shutter lag and shot-to-shot time?

QUOTE(faidz85 @ Jan 18 2011, 06:38 PM)
Mine already at 9060!
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Bleh... my 550D already ~40K liao.

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