Why?

How would separating into different brand or models help?

It'll just make the thread slide into obscurity and some ppl who don't bother reading, starts new threads.

Is it so difficult to add the model name of your camera when asking question?

What do you use to wipe? Got lenspen or cleaning liquid or not?

Yeah...lenspen should be able to clean these sort of stain. No need to use cloth or water la.

My usual camera shop (taipei) got a batch of white GF-1's last week and they all sold out at about RM2.1K (14-42 kit) and that's substantially cheaper than the GF2's that they wanna dump out now.

Just carry one of those single LED type of torchlight lo.

G3 full review out in dpreview di

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicdmcg3/

GF3 selling in Taiwan jor... but gosh its really fugly

Every camera also involves compromises... even a top of the line D3, 1D or M9 are also products of compromises

E-PL2
- Good out of camera jpegs color
- Better high ISO performance than the GF series
- In-body stabilization
- Slower to AF compared with the GF's.
- Can be expensive as it really needs better lens than the kit zoom.

GF1
- Got soul
- Feels really nice and solid on hands with very intuitive controls for experienced users
- Sensor is dated in today's context.
- ISO performance about 1 stop worse than E-PL2.

GF2
- Replaced the soul, intuitive controls of the GF1 with a crappy touchscreen and a slimming diet.
- Sensor is same as GF1
- Performance is the same

GF3
- Even further bastardization of the GF series by removing more of the little left controls, hotshoe and stereo mike so it can be even smaller and fuglier.
- Same sensor as before but processor is updated so it AF faster.
- It's only really smaller, better image quality when used with prime lens (pancakes in this case) but with lesser ISO performance and lack of image stabilization, real life usefulness at low light situation may not be as good as the bigger Olympus.

By the rate its going, a GF4 may be out by chinese new year next year with even less button, smaller button and pre-loaded with Angry Birds

Hope this helps.

ps: I left out on purpose the other bonzai dslr models and the E-P3 as they're at a different price point.

fixed

btw.... a bit tempted with GF2 now. Clearance sale here veli cheap... about RM1.4K for the 14mm kit or RM1.3K for the zoom kit.

This post has been edited by sniper on the roof: Jul 24 2011, 06:03 PM

Isn't GF3 supposed to be cheaper than GF2?

If they use the same designer as their recent products.. then I don't want it.

Only hope is since Leica's launching a mirrorless... chances are panasonic will be manufacturing it and hopefully Leica can force some sensibility into them.

Come to think of it... Panasonic's better cameras are always those with a Leica branded counterpart

Soli brudder... I located in Taiwan.

But anyway GF2 and LX5 is too different segments wat. Mirrorless is good for some people while compact are better for others.

Guanghwa is not known for cameras. Best to go to the camera street between taipei main station and ximending. That price is from my local camera shop.. One of those while stocks last thingy. PM me a day or two before ur travel date and i check lo

Mirrorless - Technically means all cameras without the mirror assembly in a traditional dslr whereby a mirror/prism reflects light/image coming in through the lens and up the viewfinder. But in camera geek context, mirrorless means all mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras including micro four thirds, sony NEX system, Pentax Q-system and all the upcoming stuff. Sometimes, even non-interchangeable cameras like the Fuji X100 and Leica X1 are categorized as such

M43 - Micro Four Third system which is a consortium led by Panasonic and Olympus. Some other makers that haven't launched a product such as Fuji and Sigma is also part of this consortium. All lens and camera bodies with the micro four third logo fits with each other regardless of the maker.

Then this will be interesting

Nikon's rumored mirrorless sensor size compared with Pentax Q
http://www.petapixel.com/2011/07/26/nikon-...r-sensor-sizes/

Then general sensor size
http://nofilmschool.com/wp-content/uploads...nsor_Sizes1.jpg

Cos big sensor needs big lens. Nikon is a traditional company hence they probably would've put that into account.
Besides... The tArget market where got know anything about sensor size wan. Put in a few creative filters can jor

I think Nikon has no choice.

Just look at the size lens that we use/want in our DSLR.. I don't think they can shrink it by much.

Look at the NEX for instance... all their lens is as big as normal dslr lens but Sony can get away with it.... cos they "Make Believe".

Anyway, cheap PnS market is dead... eventually smartphones also will eat into the enthuasiast compact... so it makes sense to seek refuge in interchangeable lens. It's unlikely there'll ever be an interchangeable lens Iphone

It's alright.... I already got a darn good example of the triumph of glass over sensor. It's called the XZ-1.

Then why are you going into the mirrorless route?