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 Micro Four Thirds (m43) User Thread V3, Panasonic G/GH/GFx & Olympus E-P/E-PLx

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post May 30 2011, 10:53 AM

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Seem like everywhere on the interweb is saying that the new G3 is the spiritual successor GF1. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

Why?? How come?? I don't paham.
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post May 30 2011, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Wuahaha @ May 30 2011, 11:25 AM)
Get one and use it then you understand brows.gif
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Selling already ker?

Pls enlighten me notworthy.gif
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post Jun 6 2011, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(Wii_hunter @ Jun 6 2011, 12:42 AM)
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panasonic-gf3-leaked/

GF3 leaked. is it really small? i find hard to figure out the dimensions in relation to the hand of the girl.
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It's freakin fugly shakehead.gif . Dunno what's with Panasonic's sense of aesthetic these days. First the G3 ... now the GF3.

Someone made a GF2 vs GF3 size comparison.. looks like Panny is hell bent in making smaller and smaller cameras disregarding everything else
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post Jun 6 2011, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Guy85 @ Jun 6 2011, 10:00 AM)
NEX-5 still not bad, sometimes it hit and miss, it more frequent compare to others, but like the high ISO performance.
Want to try others system, so had to sell it, just can afford one camera at a time.
Oh, but I do not think Olympus will have anything new this year through the research from the web. I almost want to sell it already, now I can't live without a camera, haha...
But maybe will consider DSLR as well, maybe PENTAX.
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What do you mean by hit and miss? The AF?

As for dslr... ur gonna be really lens limited with Pentax since they don't have too many lens available in shops. Also 3rd party lens also not focussed on Pentax. As a system, it gets more expensive if you go beyond the standard kit lens.
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post Jun 6 2011, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Guy85 @ Jun 6 2011, 01:31 PM)
Yup. just do nto like it.
Ya lo, I found that Pentax beside kit lens, all others lens are very expensive, all are 1.5k above.
Also do not know which to choose...too many choices.

You are using which mFT model?
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You use face detection thingy, multi-point thingy .. or u meant the fixed center AF not accurate?

I don't own a m43 yet... been meaning get one but still cannot fully accept the compromise yet as of date.

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post Jun 6 2011, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(Guy85 @ Jun 6 2011, 04:50 PM)
face detection, multi or center also the same, sometime when shoot, and already focus accurately, the photo still out of focus. I also not sure why.

Ooo, So right now what camera are you using?

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Contrast detection should be quite accurate.. there's other factors like camera shake.. motion blur as well.

I'm using a Canon 550D, S90 and Iphone4 tongue.gif
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post Jun 8 2011, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jun 8 2011, 02:12 PM)
yeah..frankly speaking...it's fugly....
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Hence I'm still without a small-ish cam.

NEX-C3 also boh nice.. too cramped. How How How la?

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post Jun 8 2011, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(SSY22 @ Jun 8 2011, 02:27 PM)
I wait for nex -7 and olympus and gf pro on July/ August

Too bad , nex dont have viewfinder and not much lens choices but i like the ISO performance

m43 got 14mm,17mm,20mm and viewfinder , attract me lo ...

Really cant wait to grab one small camera d !!  mad.gif

Been thinking about X100 but lens not interchangeable. 35mm is good enuf but i think if next time i wan upgrade body how how ...if go for 43 system still can change body next time.


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Ya will cramped lo . like i use other compact camera.

Wait for next camera one lar sniper haha  laugh.gif
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I gatal for so long di.. wait so long still cannot scratch. doh.gif

If NEX5 price drop.. maybe just grap one for sh1tz and giggles.
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post Jun 8 2011, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Wuahaha @ Jun 8 2011, 02:57 PM)
Why do u need mirrorless ... where u got ur DSLR ?  tongue.gif
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Thinking of getting one for kids shot like bring kids go shopping or playground.

One hand have to push stroller etc... so only have one hand to shoot doh.gif

On playground pulak its difficult for my back to get down to a 2year old height to shoot with dslr... also many times I look into the vf and my daughter dunno run where di doh.gif doh.gif .. have to keep eye on her before she kamikaze down the slide or get into a fight with bigger kids.
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post Jun 8 2011, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jun 8 2011, 03:06 PM)
samsung NX anyone? tongue.gif
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Frankly speaking.. I think Samsung is the most balanced.. got nice pancake lens.. the cam body dun look fugly.

But major major major issues is..... I boycott all korean products tongue.gif

edit: except kimchi, korean instant noodles and pron.

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post Jun 8 2011, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(Wuahaha @ Jun 8 2011, 03:40 PM)
Oh really ah? I always shoot with my GF1+20mm one handed. But I had to tie the neckstrap around my hand xD

In fact now I rarely use my GF1 already. Just use my wife's Nikon P300. Back to PnS haha. blush.gif
I see the word "Samsung" I bei song already muahaha ... their body looks ugly also ler.
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Ya lor... kinda difficult to shoot (since have to crop like hell later) to shoot dslr one handed blindly.

As for Samsung... besides the brand name ugly-fying the product.. I think the NX is less fugly than the G3 lo.
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post Jun 8 2011, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ Jun 8 2011, 06:07 PM)
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I fully agree with you... 200% agree with you about the annoyance/frustration/stupidity of the mirrorless products now. It's blatantly obvious ... considering the fact that the current players in mirrorless are consumer goods companies (and one half dead olympus) ... that their management sees mirrorless as an evolution of the compact point and shoot.

Hence the products are targeted as such.

I mean the could've just update the sensor on the GF1 and fix the EVF.. continue bundle with the 20mm f1.7 ... that's it... don't even have to retool but priorities went to the size war with Sony well into the realms of ridiculousness. Sony could've just strengthen their shortcomings with a 24/35/50 pancakes respectively....

But noooooo.... they went ahead with an even smaller camera..and prioritize funny lens.... and panny counter with a even smaller camera.. and so on.

Even their step-up product like the G3 are obviously not designed for the enthuasiast.. no matter how good... I cannot live with a camera that looks like a spastic turtle.

XZ-1 is interesting... if I'm a compact user/blogger, I reckon its a much better choice than the current mirrorless....very tempted but cannot live with DR of small sensor camera considering the junk that I shoot.

Maybe the Nikon system will be interesting (provided their coolpix ppl dun touch it) since its a smaller than m43 sensor.. lens will be smaller which could be a strong foundation since sensor tech should progress faster. Or maybe even the rumored Pentax k-mount system since they already have some nice pancakes.

Until then... maybe I'll burn more of my hard earned cash into my dslr.

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post Jun 8 2011, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jun 8 2011, 08:28 PM)
yeah....now they have a super expensive GH2 at enthusiast level, and a bunch of compact wannabe at entry level....sigh...
wonder what would olympus do...fight in the size war, or offer pro body for enthusiast...
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Olympus is the underdog with no marny for R&D...ah well.. there's always the olympus jpegs.

GH2 is a video camera.
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post Jun 8 2011, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jun 8 2011, 08:59 PM)
Well, GH2 is m4/3's best shot..giving great still photos and extensive video controls that can rival canon 60D...
also has the highest score among m4/3 in dpreview...just that the price is crazy and people would rather go for DSLR than that...

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I reckon the GH2 doesn't make sense.. looks like a dslr... feels like a dslr... slightly smaller but still need same bag as a dslr but not a dslr.

But gosh.... the GF3 look like a bar of soap. I cannot imagine how it'll look with anything besides the 14mm.
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post Jun 9 2011, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ Jun 9 2011, 01:45 AM)
lolz,i like that sentence,look like slr,feel like slr,big like slr,cost like a serious slr(60d level),u gonna pay more for sensor "real estate"
the only thing is the accuracy of contrast detection which i really long for

i guess like highwind point out,its just the matter of time before the system mature enough to rival DSLR,but i not seeing that happen in really near future,for the meanwhile i think i just stick with xz-1,gonna get it this weekend

pana,olym sony,please~~~you are not making a handphone or netbook now~~~give us something more sensible
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Since we're in the topic.... and sharing is caring.

Here's some research that I tabulated sourced (I'm absolutely an@l about shutterlag and AF speeds) from digitalcamerareview.com

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post Jun 9 2011, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ Jun 9 2011, 03:42 PM)
weirdly our full blown dslr 600d has shutter lag worse than a xz-1,although its too small to call it a different
G3 manages 4.5fps,not bad.....but i suspect if follow panasonic tradition the buffer depth will be very shallow unlike dslr
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Since you're getting a XZ-1 over the weekends.. mind PM'ing me on your thoughts?

I'm particularly concerned over DR and AF speed at low lights (think outside in housing estate lit by street light at 10pm kinda low light)


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post Jun 13 2011, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jun 13 2011, 01:57 PM)
would be interesting to see the review...
no hotshoe, less buttons, smaller batt... hmm.gif
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Told ya its rubbish and now the full pic is out.. it's gone from fugly to incredibly fugly. The rear is even worse shakehead.gif
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post Jun 13 2011, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(SSY22 @ Jun 13 2011, 02:29 PM)
Great new here also

panasonic-will-release-an-advanced-gf-camera-and-a-new-gh-successor

http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-panasonic-will...w-gh-successor/
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Will be veli long time di.. since they wanna focus on GH2 successor first.
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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Jun 13 2011, 03:19 PM)
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what who the heck in their team said "oh for the new models why don't we remove a feature?" doh.gif
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By the rate they're going... it won't be long until you see just a lens mount, sensor and a shutter button left doh.gif
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jun 13 2011, 03:52 PM)
coz they realize the market for P&S->m4/3 is bigger than the market for DSLR->m4/3?

and i have to say...they are using the 12.1 mp sensor to its fullest value...
so many models based on the same sensor...
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Both Sony and Panasonic are consumer product companies with priority on volume. For them..they probably think that their urgency is to move the PnS users to mirrorless as soon as possible to protect their volume as those are being eaten by smartphone.

I mean.. if we look at the entry level cybershots and lumix.... there's really no point in buying those anymore and Sony/Panny knows that.

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