hi guys;

i'm selling off both my coax in favour of getting a non-coax. but i'm not really into 6-ch flying(real helis don't do loops anyway). i'm just going for a 4-ch non-coax. currently eyeballing walkera cb180q.

however, the new esky honey bee CT and honey bee cpx is about the same price. so, i'm wondering are these two a better alternative. i'm only gonna fly in with 4-ch and mostly indoors though.

the cb180q still wins in terms of looks.

your comment really has given me 2nd thought.

however, considering the price & availability, those 2 recommended models are more expensive then my current budget and not to mention not readily available. can't i just swap the cb180q with brushless later on when i have the money?

just returned from rcsmart. seems the cb180q parts is even harder to get than a colco apache. at least the apache can still use LAMA parts. although it looks good, without replacement parts, it'll be just an ornament at some point.

where can i get the v200d01 or cb180z anyway? cheaper than rcdreamz that is.

This post has been edited by zeroglyph: Apr 18 2011, 02:23 PM

micro helis can withstand harder crash better than standard hobby grade coax. so take note on that. every time you crash, it's money from your pockets.

the easy explaination. coaxial don't have tail rotors.

fixed pitch is non-coax 4ch like walkera cb180q. collective pitch is your 6ch.

i'm on the same boat as you actually (see me trying to sell my coaxes). if i ever managed to sell those, i'm getting this:
http://www.rcdreamz.com.my/webshaper/store...ProductItem=785

btw, those 2 you're aiming, won't be able to handle outdoors any better than a coax. their too small. for outdoors, in my opinion, you need at least a lama size FP (a 200/250 size?).

This post has been edited by zeroglyph: Dec 30 2011, 04:12 PM

cb180q is pretty cool....except for the fact that it doesn't use brushless(bummer if it's your 2nd or 3rd heli) and the shops that sells it usually don't carry the full spare parts.

great info there, thanks. will definitely check if he have the esky robo.

guys;

does a stock belt CP v2 works well enough for normal flight? as in no acrobatics.

originally planning to get a honey bee 2, but i think a belt CP is better for the long run. although, i'm not really into CP at the moment.

As i was in the RC shop yesterday, got a chance for a closer look at the BCP while i asked the retailer to fetch a honey bee 2. the BCP was in for repairs on the stool, so i usik2 a abit. but i must say, the CP mechanism is just..... . i'll probably spend more time fixing things than flying it.

decided in the end to take the honey bee 2. which is smaller(better when i'm flying indoors), no CP(easier to maintain) and still outdoor usable . have to call off on walkeras as they are simply too expensive. the cheapest of walkera that i like cost more than a honeybee 2 + spare blades(main and tail) + spare lipos. and that's only 200 size. honeybee2 is 300 size.

the craziest part of the story, the sales girl actually asked me to test it myself as the boss/tester is out for the moment . thank goodness the controller is a mode1 and i was able to NOT crash after it took off.

in the end, glad i didn't buy a walkera or a BCP. i must admit though, hovering the honey bee indoors is quite challenging (only managed 2-3secs before loosing control). need to take this thing outdoor to really predict the response. quite "wild" i'd say.

assuming this was addressed to me.

i have no intention to actually move up to acrobatic flying yet. don't really have the time for it. so, the BCP will only be beneficial on the really long run. like 3-4 years time, IF i'm still flying at the time. good to know that it's good enough out-of-the-box. but i kept thinking that if i buy the thing, i'll probably spend more time fixing it then flying it.

i usually do my flight training indoors so a 450 may not be suitable for that. even the 300 honey bee can't really fly freely around indoors, a 450 would have a harder time(at least for me). so i guess the HBFP was a better choice for me . just wondering why not that many rc shops bringing it in. great cheap stuff, if only it came with cool fuselages.

btw, managed to hover it last friday, indoor, without actually having to bring it out to a larger area. plus, it's only the 3rd battery charge cycle and only broke 1 main rotor link in the attempt. all those coax flying session does indeed help.

need some info on HBFP2.

i've run checks on the swash plate and everything, but it seems the HB is drifting to the left(i know it's suppose to drift to the left on take-off, but this is like 1 meter AG). trimmed it to the right and all is well. however, in flight i noticed the main rotor actually tilts to the right a bit. is this normal? it doesn't feel wrong(control wise), but it kinda look wrong. is it suppose to be this way? i'm guessing it need to tilt to counter the tail rotor, but not too sure on that.

This post has been edited by zeroglyph: Feb 5 2012, 01:13 AM

it's V2, in BTS@RM399. FM version though. V2 has better balance and more sturdy.

how much and PM me the pictures.

hmm....perhaps we can joint purchase? i may need some spare parts that you don't need.

easy way is to buy an RTF beginner heli that has a simulator, like esky. i'm not sure about other brand, but esky's RTF heli usually comes with FMS, the simulator cable and transmitter with sim port. so you can practice on the sim before actually begin to fly the heli.

in theory, if it's in the same spectrum, then you just need to swap crystal. but of course, theory is not always correct. try it and let us know.

i'm a heli sim junky myself. believe me when i say, RC and sims are NOT the same. you may be able to control that flyer in the sim, but when it comes to real live RC(or even sim RC), you'll find it's a totally new experience(mostly because you are no longer in the cockpit). plus, acecombat is more an arcade game, it's not real flight sim.

so advise is, just drop what you know and start from the beginning. i suggest using a glider before actually moving to planes.

to be honest, you don't wanna start off with that. a CP heli translates to more parts to repair when you crash, more setup to go through when you crash, more expensive parts in general and more pain in the behind to maintain as a beginner. in this hobby you WILL crash and crashing a CP as a beginner will translate into being grounded for weeks. it's frustrating and you'll probably sell it back and quit.

not that it's impossible, but it's not recommended(unless you actually like fixing your heli instead of flying it). get a coax or an FP heli 1st. go to CP when you get bored with the FP heli.

and yes, that package, like most esky package are Ready-To-Fly(RTF) package. it includes everything you need. but as a CP heli, don't expect it to fly right out of the box. it needs to be setup 1st.

suggestion?:
http://drctoys.com/index.php?route=product...&product_id=755 for the same price, looks way cooler
http://drctoys.com/index.php?route=product...&product_id=528 a lot cheaper and parts are easy to find.

Walkera 4F 200 LM? a CP? then NO. harder to fly and even harder to maintain.

about the motor, you need to mod the LAMA to accept brushless.

Holy snap! that's near my place!

i always saw people flying around on weekends, brought my kid to watch one time. perhaps someday i should bring my Honey bee too, for its maiden outdoor flight . although a HBFP is probably too insignificant to join the big leagues.

this was the one you mentioned to me earlier, right? i just realized some months ago that this thing uses 45 degree flybar just like the cb180q. flight characteristic is more like a coax than an FP/CP. so if someone is moving from coax, this is not gonna improve much(in my case la).

muscle memory is an amazing thing .

some weeks ago i decided i wanted to change tx mode. been using mode 1 for around 2 years, but decided to go to mode 2 as it's more common and i think it'll be easier to control hovers on my HBFP2(cyclic on 1 stick). plus, it's just 2 axis switch, right? cant' be that hard. so i changed my tx to mode 2 and stopped flying for days and spend hours on the simulator on mode 2. feels awkward, but doable.

after a few more days, was able to hover my coax on mode 2. yesterday, took my coax for a flight again, but this time with some forward flight indoors. again, doable but i feel the lack of confidence in my moves. feels like a complete newbie.

at that point i decide, "wth, let's get back to mode 1". to my surprise, even after like 2 weeks spending time in mode 2, i can fly my coax and HB just fine and steady. all the confidence are back in my moves, no hesitation or panics. i no longer have to think about the stick movement, my fingers just moved on their own.

so yeah, changing to another tx mode when you're already flying in one mode is not that easy. it's even harder than learning from 0. it's like learning to play the guitar with all the strings upside down(ala hendrix) when all this time you've been playing it the normal way.

ok, end of story, get back to work!