the bigger the heli the more stable it is
so SHOULD be easier laa ... but cyclic of the BCP will be much slower than the 4g6 so u better take it up high high b4 u attempt .. hehehehe

my 4g6s repaired .. rotor head bent back .. can hardly see any damage
blades replaced and balanced ... tracking done
tried hovering and some FF ... very minor vibration possibly due to not 100% rotor head .. but it flies and holds well for now ... hahahaha

erm... wanna ask the sifu around, i m new in this field, and i want to know how much $$ i should fork out for my first heli? i wanted a heli that can fly in a very windy condition and i don't know where to buy and how much $$ i should invest in for my first heli

i am not sifoo but i can guide u abit laa
1st of all .. since u say it is your 1st heli then u should start with computer SIMULATOR and fly until your muscle memory sinks in on what to do with the heli
for this u will need a radio controller .. a decent/good budget one will cost u around rm500-600 and that includes 1 receiver
then u might wanna buy at least a 450 or 500 size to fly in windy conditions
the bigger the heli the better it is at handling wind and stability but of coz it is oso much more expensive ... branded 450 combo packages starts from around rm1.3k .. if u wanna get clones/copies of branded then around 600-700 should be good for the heli but u will have to compromise abit on the quality laa
then u will need batteries .. depending on which size heli u fly .. 450 size uses 2200mah 3S lipo batts .. 500 size uses 2600-2800 6S lipo batts
u will oso need a charger to charge the batt .. starts from around rm200

after saying all that .. maybe u should just start with a ready to fly package such as the ESKY LAMA coaxial series since u have ZERO EXPERIENCE with helis
this one will enable u to fly almost straightaway with minimal crash damage compared to the earlier heli i mentioned
this package includes radio as well and costs around rm200 or so
BUT it will not fly properly in windy conditions

thanks for the info but any idea where can i buy a ready to fly heli? Times Square or any other place for suggestion?

well you can look at a 4ch before you move to a full blown 6 channel...

I have 2 4channel

I start with a Walkera CB180D which is a 4 channel fixed pitch and very stable... I have upgraded it into a harden blade and harden tail which proven to be a better crash proof...

then I move to a V200D01 also 4 channel but without flybar and less stable compared to CB180D... it is a very steep learning curve...

then finally I moved to a Walkera V450D01 this is HARD!!! a full flybarless collective pitch or known as CP heli... it is a 6 channel heli and IT IS HARD TO LEARN AND YOU WILL CRASH!!! ...
I CRASH THIS BIRD well few times....

so what I suggest is go with 4 channel before you go into CP heli and trust me some friends I know who venture straight into CP heli give up due to CRASHes and $$$ (well every crash is $$$ and time)

so start wit a 4CH and enjoy this hobby a 4CH heli will keep you in the learning curve at least for 1 year....

if you are interested I'm letting go my Walkera CB180D at a good price (PM me and I will let you know)
I'll package together with RTF include remote and heli + some spare parts you may require... incase of crash.... dont worry this heli parts is available in Malaysia and not expensive to repair if crash also in the event of crash most of the parts can be bend back or self repair...

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Added on March 10, 2011, 11:28 amoh by the way interm of taking out $$$ for windy resistant heli... here is my tips..

1. Never buy Coaxial Heli (the heli with 2 main blade top and bottom) they sucks and usually 3 channel or 3.5 (.5 = gyro) and trust me it cannot handle wind no matter how big is the heli!!! and you cannot learn anything from it (waste time and money)
(Some china brand like SYMA or some Horse brand)

2. Fixed Pitch heli can handle wind but not strong wind and usually if you fly at wind in 3-4mph it should be OK also remember heli is not a plane dont fly too far!!!
also size matters a 180-250 size heli can tahe wind of 3-5mph and the bigger the better BUT... if you crash the BIGGER = More $$$
a 180-250 size will cost around RM700 - RM800 in MALAYSIA
(Usually Walkera)

3. Collective pitch Heli can handle wind very well and it is HARD to learn... a friend of mine took 3 years to learn this heli and it will take alot of $$$ and it usually go around THOUSANDS or more... this bird will cost RM2000 for a RTF 250 size and more for 450 size
(Usually Align kits and FUTUBA remote)

My advise stick with Fixed pitch and move to CP heli
Ps. Dont get E-sky Belt CP the gyro is too lousy and you will crash and spend like no tomorrow... and end up giving up!!!


This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Mar 10 2011, 11:28 AM

coaxials are nothing more than the appetizer for u to go into the heli hobby
it does not fly like real single rotor helis
but for most beginners ... $$$ is important to see if they will like the hobby so a relatively cheap 4 channel coaxial like an ESKY LAMA is an economical start

if u think u have the perseverance and determination to learn .. then can straight jump to 6 channel single rotors heli ... no need to even bother with 4 channel fixed pitch to save costs ... some 4 channel fixed pitch heli parts costs even more than the 6 channel parts

i started with a CHEAP ESKY COAXIAL for around rm200+ ... fly it til it died and i straightaway bought an RTF 6 channel CP heli ... a walkera 4g3
walkera parts NOT CHEAP at all

calvin is right about CP helis ... every time u crash it is time and $$$
and it is not ez to learn .. but with a SIMULATOR it will save u alot of time and $$$ in crashes
setting up a CP heli is oso important ... so when u crash or do not feel right about the heli u can adjust or mod to your liking
so crashing is part of the learning process ... if u learn fast then u crash less

there are some shops in AMCORP mall and BERJAYA TIMES SQUARE giving good deals on helis

Yeap agree but you need to know CP heli if you know you about to crash you need to engage throttle hold else bad things gonna happen and CP heli spin very fast and will cause alot of damage!!!

Compare to my v200d01 which is my 4ch heli and my another V450D01 and I have crash my v200 alot of time with little or no damage and once I crash my V450 which is a collective pitch heli I need to change say alot of things and it is not even a crash just Hard landing my tail boom gone, main gear, link rod, all 3 digital servo that cost RM100 each, main shaft... All in cost a bomb!!! Bow back to 4ch till my skill sharp enough... Remember RC heli is already expensive and shot into CP will bring the cost up alot and you will crash and you will spend money and time to repair... Just 4 ch main blade spin slower and if crash less parts damage... Just my advise

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Mar 11 2011, 06:56 PM

just get the SIMULATOR and whack until your muscle memory is good
then 6 channel CP will crash much much lesser
the SIM is your best fren in rc heli

Ou yeah... But sometime I think I can hover much better usin 4 ch then sim dunno why somehow the camera in sim setting make me erm... Cannot orient hahaha

wow!!! if like this i need RM1XXX+ for me to get a heli that is heavy resistant to wind effect?

you always mention wind wind.... i'm wondering where do you intend to fly your bird??

by the beach, foot ball field, etc etc??

if fly on beach I can tell you even CP heli cant fly!!!

if foot ball field... a 4ch heli can do the job and CP will be GREAT...

but all of that does not matter if you cannot even hover the helicopter...

I can give you a no wind condition and a CP heli and you will still crash!!!
I can even give you a 4ch heli no wind and you will still crash!!!

so my main question, do you know how to hover a Helicopter?

if No... then my 2nd question Do you have alot of CASH to spend (hobby shop gonna be very happy)
if your answer is "NO"

then go get a Flight SIM and LEARN!!!
or Get a 4CH or a CP heli and get a Trainer to assist you remember your Transmitter must be the same as your trainer inorder to link for training!!!

if not GET YOUR SELF A SIM!!!

i wan to fly at my uni there, taylor lakeside campus, and its very windy there

ic.... so do you know how to fly erm I mean hover a heli??

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Mar 14 2011, 03:29 PM

I think 1K plus is not good enough to build a HEAVY wind resistant heli .....

I always have to depend on the weather condition to fly my lousy 450 size and 120 size micro heli

i can only fly IF it does not RAIN .. hahahaha

You pre-sifu (since you always say you are not) level already .... even tornado you are not going to worry also
Hehehe, I am still trying to invert only .....
Waiting for the 4G6 parts to arrive and my second invert will be up up and away .....

i think attempting to invert using your BCP might be a bit easier laa
its more stable and does not go out of control so fast like the 4g6

I am totally agree with you, but my bcp not really ready for negative pitch now because i have not done the setup yet ... Hehehe.

But crashing bcp in idle up may cost a lot and that is something bothering me ... Kiasu a bit ... See how later if i have the guts to invert bcp or not .... Din crash my bcp for more than six months, may be its time to crash for a reason and deplete my spare parts

This post has been edited by daddoo: Mar 15 2011, 11:39 PM

hi all rc heli expert, i'm newbie here and very noob. hope u guys can help me.
i have a FXD heli, something similar to this "http://www.xheli.com/68688-fxdheli-red.html". My current batt is 800mah, 7.4v.

My ques is, what is the batt can let me play more longer?

and what is the batt can give my rc heli more power?

if more power, my motor and circuit board can stand it?

what is the recommendation from all the expert?
where can buy it?

This post has been edited by SAFCrew: Mar 15 2011, 11:47 PM

I am NOT rc heli expert first but I can try to answer your question.

If your use a 1500maH, 7.4V and it will extend your flight time. But the problem is the weight that added to the heli will putting extra load to your heli as well, since the bigger battery is heavier. So your flight time may be just slightly longer? I am not sure what would be the exact answer ......

As long as your don't over supply the voltage (7.4V here) then your circuit board and motor will work just fine. Bigger capacity is fine since the circuit board and motor will just draw the current it needs.

IMHO, just get another 800mah (or slightly more) battery, finish the first, rest for a while and second pack again .....