Someone else having some problem with AMOLED screen? Could the problem that I have also known as noise as stated by jananan previously.

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This post has been edited by Andy214: Nov 16 2010, 10:23 AM

I'll send in some information when I feedback to Radiance later, been busy lately.

Have taken some sample shots which shows more clearly and also send them the same picture for them to verify on their N8. Let them take their time to check on it and see if it's a common for all N8, or only some affected; If only some affected, means they have to check with the supplier for the display or other parts (if not the display).

Yea, hope they will take some time to look into some of the problems we encounter. Not sure about the communications level between Nokia Malaysia and Nokia Europe, or the "levels" that inside. It's a big company after all.

MeeGo is different, it's targeted for high-end devices; MeeGo will be available for Netbooks, and several other types of devices. It's higher end compared to smartphone level OS, or something like that.
If you have check out and played around with Maemo OS, which MeeGo is replacing, you will know the big difference between the OS and smartphone OS like Symbian, etc. Maemo was an Internet Tablet OS, which then added phone functionality into it.

Daylight or with enough lighting is OK, looks normal and smooth. When in lowlight, in inside room with flourescent light, it's obvious.

I compared it against my colleague's Samsung Wave (Super AMOLED), no such problem, everything just smooth and clear.

And to think all this while Nokia provides great phone functions, even on the Symbian. When switch to Maemo, suddenly all those functions and features missing.

The Maemo is completely like a product from a different Company. Although it's a different team, but if it's under the same company, it should have shared the strength and implement those functions and features; They didn't even provide a better profile manager (easily done?), no ringtone assignment features (again easily done?), no contacts grouping (again easily done?), no official MMS, no 3G call functions, etc.

Anyway, such a device is usually not meant for everyone, it's an Internet Tablet. Not everyone wants or needs it, some people want a good phone, with nice camera, and usually also with lots of games; but sometimes, people buys product because others say it's good without reviewing themselves or knowing what's the product, does it meets their requirements/needs, etc. Every device has its target market, usually the wrong person buying the wrong device because listening to other, will claim the device is not good after using. Just like someone who wants a spacious car with ample leg room space, big boot that can fit their MIL, golfs bags, strollers, etc. but end up buying a car that doesn't meet his/her requirement because of how good people praise the car for it's features, performance and value for money.

In N900 case, many people actually buys it without knowing much about it, then later complains about it, they don't subscribe data plan, they don't/rarely browse with mobile devices, etc. They want a phone for SMS, MMS, 3G Calls, decent/good camera and play games.

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Added on November 17, 2010, 12:58 amPergh, because of them, we need to clean up their rubbish work, my current workplace outsource some projects to them and now we're taking over the maintenance, it's utterly rubbish work from them; If there is a bug, you report to them, the is possibility the bug is STILL there after they mark it as RESOLVED, and it can even repeat again!

For those who know about web development, guess what? They pass the whole SQL Where condition through URL String as parameter, there is so many redundant codes copy-and-paste, etc. Reviewing and cleaning up their codes is full of curse.
The best part? To achieve something, they like to take a complicated and long path.
Example in other terms:
1+1 = 2
BUT, they must do complicated calculations and formula: 1+(5X2)-(19/2)-1........ = 2


This post has been edited by Andy214: Nov 17 2010, 12:58 AM

Ya, I knew being TS is tough, much much more worst for N900. Imagine aspire being TS for so long, especially when it first started. Anyway, for those features, if Nokia wants to add it in, it's should be very easy and many things could've been done on the OS, it's a great OS which is different from other smartphone OS, too bad it's been left aside.
I remember when the N900 was still new, it was sold at lowyat forums for over 3.3K, there're people who bought it and then sold it after a short while. Later AP starts bringing in and the price drops to around 2K++. It was after quite some time, finally Nokia Malaysia decided to bring it in, but the Launching event seems nothing compared to India and HK where there're so many professionals in the event sharing tons of information and capabilities of the device.

As for N8 or Symbian, it's suited/targeted for more variety of Customers; but for me, as N900 user, really cannot switch, N900 connection to WLAN is excellent compared with Symbian, web browsing blows everything away, the "true" integrated social network accounts (+ can add more via 3rd party plugins), sharing feature to accounts, mplayer with KMplayer to play almost every type of video files, gosh, too many to list. BUT then, this depends on individual if he/she likes all the features I just mentioned.
Aside from that, having used to using physical keyboard is another issue when using the N8 which doesn't have physical keyboard, so many things is "harder" to do, typing sms, email, message, etc is "very the pain". E7 looks great plus having physical keyboard, but the let down is the camera and no external storage support. There just have to be something lacking, so hard to find an "almost complete" device from Nokia.
Will see how MeeGo devices from Nokia turns out, the specs, etc. Hopefully, it's really a high end device with great functions and features overall...

This post has been edited by Andy214: Nov 17 2010, 02:25 AM

That's why I said, depends on individual. When N900 first launched year end last year, it was the closest thing to your laptop/notebook at the size of your palm, the web browsing is fantastic. Of course, now there're more competition, which is GOOD.

Why I compare with Maemo is because both product is from Nokia, being the product fro the same company, they should realize and provides the functions/features that their company is good at. For example, IF Toyota is well known to develop great gearbox for cars, then then come up with another car with rubbish gearbox. It feels weird doesn't it?

Anyway, when I first saw the ads on the social networks integration for Symbian, I thought "WOW", but then, when I see the real thing, it's not actually integrated, no, far from what they have done on Maemo. It thought they have polished it further and implemented in on Symbian, but it seems not so.

Let's see how MeeGo will turn out, or in there is more changes to Symbian.

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Added on November 17, 2010, 1:24 pmHow do you choose Data Network or 3G Connection instead of WiFi?
When try to set widgets to online mode, it will auto-connect WiFi. Only when there is no WiFi, it will prompt me connect to Data Network.

The WLAN mode only can connect to WiFi, there's option to choose where we what to connect to? There should be an "Internet Connection" widget or something like that, then we can choose where to connect.
And the WLAN widget, once your Disconnect WLAN, you have to quickly tap again to switch the scanning off, else suddenly it will auto connect again sometimes/most of the time?



This post has been edited by Andy214: Nov 17 2010, 01:24 PM

True, never put too much hope in it, else end up in more disappointment. Actually, seeing the demo on MeeGo, it didn't look impressive at all (to me at least), it feels Android-ish, like another Android wanna be. Just see how it turns out, if similar to Android, then the big question is, why would people want to choose MeeGo over Android? Not everyone care about the "inner" details, plus Android is much more popular now.

Mine only the Display; Not sure if all N8 is like this or mine more serious. I'll post up detailed information and sample pictures soon, maybe tonight; See the difference in daylight condition (sufficient lighting) and inside the house/room with flourescent lightings.

Here's a better capture and better comparison, see the different behaviour of the display under different lighting: Outdoor Lighting (daylight) and Indoor Lighting (e.g. Flourescent Lighting).
HINT: Look at the smoothness and smooth colour blending for outdoor lighting, the colour looks better too.

Those that can't see the problem; Can you see the difference now? If your unit does not have this problem, please let me know; If this is normal, then I think the display supplied to Nokia is not good (if it's the display problem) and Nokia need to check on this issue for their next device (if possible, get this resolved for N8 as well).





This post has been edited by Andy214: Nov 18 2010, 01:34 AM

That's what I suspect, I play around with the light sensor (brightness?), no matter how I change, it's the same for indoor and outdoor.

So when viewing photos or videos indoor, it's.... erm... really... erm... bad...

No need to compare to Super AMOLED, the problem I stated is worst than those old Nokia phones, sincerely, this is too obvious and it's the first time I encounter such problem. If it's a problem, then it's a problem, and we should find solution for it, not pretend it's not there.
If it's a limitation of the technology/display type, then nothing much we can do except perhaps Nokia should stay away from this type of display, BUT THEN, does other AMOLED screen have this issue?

What IF it's software problem? It could be fixed, but if we pretend it's not there, nobody notice it, the problem will not be resolved.

What IF only this display use by N8 having this problem why others don't? Should we still pretend it's not there? Even if it can't be replace, I wouldn't pretend nothing is wrong. It's still usable but it's just another issue/weakness (just like the speaker placement, mono speaker, etc) that we have to live with (unless something can be done).

I already feedback last time, but anyway, I'll provide my findings in the Ranger feedback to let them know, I'll also include those picture taken from N8, and how it look like from my N8 under different lightings. Then can test the picture using the N8 form their side to verify if all their N8 behave similarly or only certain N8 is affected.
If all N8 behave similar, then I guess it's normal for N8? It could be software issue or display issue or other hardware.
If only certain N8 affected, then means something is wrong right?

Whichever the case, I'm leaving this to Nokia to check and decide themselves. I wouldn't call it a complain in this case, I would see it as constructive feedback and help to notify them the issue/problems I encounter together with more detail information with sample pictures/etc. The rest it's up to them to decide as we're only just another user.

Just hope they will check on this and it can also help them to look out on this issue for their next device. Imagine if this problem isn't resolve or taken into consideration and the allmigthy MeeGo device got this problem???

The video and picture viewer having this problem. If it's software issue, I worry it's the firmware settings. Perhaps if there is "more control" over those display settings (contrast, brightness, etc), we can experiment it more.

Hope it's really software issue, and they can update it on the next firmware update.

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Added on November 18, 2010, 9:52 amHaven't send, still drafting...

This post has been edited by Andy214: Nov 18 2010, 09:52 AM

Tried play around all those; Even tried covering the sensor, put torch light at the sensor, etc.
Those pictures I took indoor, I set the shutter speed higher already, if I set lower to get brighter picture, the problem is more obvious... You can try using enhancing the colour in photo editor and see it yourself.