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post Nov 13 2010, 06:20 PM, updated 16y ago

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Me & my wife went to clinic to do regular baby checkup this morning...

The doctor consulted us with variety of topic and we brought up the benefit of pregnancy milk... He told us that there have the articles around yahoo and google dated 22/Oct that DHA doesn't bring the benefit on baby development before born, hence may effect infant's learning skill & speed if used DHA in long term during pregnancy... but he don't have the solid comments about those articles or recommended stop adsorb DHA due to the articles...

so tried to search the particular articles around yahoo and google just now and found these links...
http://www.google.com.my/#hl=en&biw=1024&b...72579711cd519f3
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/205460.php

Also found the recent articles that DHA does not decrease postpartum depression
http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/10/1...ression.mothers

Any comments?

This post has been edited by gkl83: Nov 13 2010, 06:38 PM
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post Dec 16 2010, 05:14 PM

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I'm not so sure about DHA affecting the mom, but I use DHA solely for my baby. Though from my research theres no solid proof that taking DHA will produce Einstein babies but I guess its just my kiasu syndrome. Since no bad side effect why not.

DHA is the building block for brains and eyes, so I think it doesnt do any harm if we include DHA in our diet, we try to give our best right.

About your docs advice on DHA interrupting the learning skill I think its a bit over exaggerated, ppl in cold countries eat cold water fish with plenty of DHA mah, look at japanese ppl, I dun see problems with them.

I've taken DHA from Xtendlife, cant rber who reccomend me, cant get it in malaysia I've to ask my SIL to get for me from Thailand, I took it when I'm 6 mths pregnant till last month when I wean off Noreen. So far so good.
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post Dec 22 2010, 12:42 AM

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Ok... Just sharing my knowledge on food supplement. My background? I used to work in a pharmaceutical company dealing with food supplement. Try to consider the points and try discussing with a Qualified Healhcare Professionals ya?

DHA = highly recommended for child's brain developement especially from baby till 5 years old. After that, not much use as the brains is well developed.

For pregnant mothers, depending on the source of the dha, if from milk formula, it should be safe if u follow the drinking dosage. But if from food supplement such as fish oil, then u might wanna consult your doctor as in fish oil, apart from having dha, it also consists EPA that might cause thinning of the blood which are very dangerous during labour as it might cause lose of blood.
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post Dec 22 2010, 09:50 AM

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Makes me wonder why he's a doctor in the first place...Did you read the whole passage? I quote the last paragraph from the Medscape Medical News with the subject matter: No Benefit of DHA Fish Oil for Postpartum Depression, Child Neurodevelopment by Deborah Brauser

For now, they write that all pregnant women should take the consensus guidelines' recommended daily 200-mg dose of DHA, "either by including low-mercury, high-DHA fish in their diets or by taking a daily [omega-3] PUFA supplement. The benefit of higher intakes remains unclear."


Intriguing, right? Especially the sentence highlighted in blue fonts.

Regards, Joey
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post Dec 22 2010, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(burb @ Dec 22 2010, 12:42 AM)
Ok... Just sharing my knowledge on food supplement. My background? I used to work in a pharmaceutical company dealing with food supplement. Try to consider the points and try discussing with a Qualified Healhcare Professionals ya?

DHA = highly recommended for child's brain developement especially from baby till 5 years old. After that, not much use as the brains is well developed.

For pregnant mothers, depending on the source of the dha, if from milk formula, it should be safe if u follow the drinking dosage. But if from food supplement such as fish oil, then u might wanna consult your doctor as in fish oil, apart from having dha, it also consists EPA that might cause thinning of the blood which are very dangerous during labour as it might cause lose of blood.
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out of topic, caution to moms to be out there, american ginseng is also dangerous and can cause the same, I was told to stop american ginseng at the last 2 months, but only much later did I realized what if I kena premature birth????

So take at your own risk.
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post Dec 30 2010, 06:23 PM

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supplements are good both for the baby and mother. Inside the womb, the baby's brain start to develop at the first 4 weeks of pregnancy. During this time, most mothers won't know/realised that that they are pregnant in the first place!

Fish oil are excellent for brain development. So since baby's brain are developed much earlier, then it's wise to take earlier.
Supplements are generally harmless. I always tell my patients, even if they swallow the whole bottle of vitamin, they won't have problems, coz our system will wash them out. of course you will feel some stomach discomfort, but, who in their right mind will swallow the whole bottle, right?

Bear in mind, i meant 'swallow' not 'injected'. there are too many asthetics 'specialist' out there that recommend injection this and that. For this matter, i don't have any comments!

Fish oil in high doses also are anti inflammatory. Meaning, it can help prevent inflammatory conditions like heart attack, artherosclerosis, macular degeneration, as well as reduced risk of allergy.
These facts are well published in scientific journals.

cheers!

This post has been edited by Syd G: Dec 30 2010, 08:04 PM
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post Jan 2 2011, 12:54 PM

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while you're taking DHA supplements, don't forget about arachidonic acid. get those supplements which has both, like the milk formula. DHA and AA work hand in hand. many research papers did not include AA as part of the factor,

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/102011.php
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post Jan 3 2011, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Jan 2 2011, 12:54 PM)
while you're taking DHA supplements, don't forget about arachidonic acid. get those supplements which has both, like the milk formula. DHA and AA work hand in hand. many research papers did not include AA as part of the factor,

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/102011.php
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When you take fish oil it'll contain the right ratio of O3 and O6, unlike you take plants.

The problem with milk formula they did not specify where the DHA comes from.

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post Jan 8 2011, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(moorish @ Jan 3 2011, 01:31 AM)
When you take fish oil it'll contain the right ratio of O3 and O6, unlike you take plants.

The problem with milk formula they did not specify where the DHA comes from.
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not all fish oil contains the right ratio of O3 and O6, the process molecular distillation (used by many supplement companies) ensures that there is only DHA and EPA is left after the process. usually in health supplements, you can see in their labels that they don't contain any O6. (or if you compare the capsule size of let's say 500mg of fish oil, there's like 300mg EPA 200mg DHA, no room for O6 you see?)
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post Jan 8 2011, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Jan 8 2011, 03:08 PM)
not all fish oil contains the right ratio of O3 and O6, the process molecular distillation (used by many supplement companies) ensures that there is only DHA and EPA is left after the process. usually in health supplements, you can see in their labels that they don't contain any O6. (or if you compare the capsule size of let's say 500mg of fish oil, there's like 300mg EPA 200mg DHA, no room for O6 you see?)
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sorry what I meant is from a whole, we get omega 6 from most of our daily diet, omega 6 is readily available, as in this article:

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Ratio of Omega-6 to Omega-3 Fatty Acids

Gabe Mirkin, M.D.


Fat is classified into saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats, and monounsaturated fats. Saturated fats are believed to increase your risk for heart attacks when you take in more calories than you burn. We used to think that all polyunsaturated fats help to prevent heart attacks when they replace saturated fats, but now we have different information.

Polyunsaturated fats are classified by their structures into omega-3s and omega-6s, and you need both types; these are called the essential fatty acids because you cannot make them in your body and must get them from your food.

For most of the time humans have been on earth we have eaten foods containing omega-6's and omega-3's in a ratio of about 2:1. However, over the last 50 years in North America, the ratio has changed to from 2:1 to 10-20:1. Our diet now includes huge amounts of oils that are extracted from plants and used for cooking or in prepared foods. These oils (such as corn oil, safflower oil, cottonseed oil, peanut oil, soybean oil) are primarily omega-6s. We have decreased our intake of omega-3's, found primarily in whole grains, beans and other seeds, and seafood.

Eating too much omega-6 and too little omega-3 causes clots and constricts arteries to increase risk for heart attacks, increases swelling to worsen arthritis, and aggravates a skin disease called psoriasis. It may block a person's ability to respond to insulin, causing high insulin and blood sugar levels and obesity. It increases hormone levels of insulin like growth factor-1 that causes certain cancers.

To get your ratio on omega-6s to omega-3s back to a more healthful 2:1, eat seafood, whole grains, beans and other seeds, and reduce your intake of foods made with or cooked in vegetable oils.

More on Omega-3 fatty acids
Omega-3s from plants

Who's afraid of n-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids? Methodological considerations for assessing whether they are harmful. Nutrition Metabolism and Cardiovascular Diseases, 2001, Vol 11, Iss 3, pp 181-188. EM Berry. Hebrew Univ Jerusalem, Hadassah Med Sch, Fac Med, Dept Human Nutr & Metab, IL-91010 Jerusalem, ISRAEL

Checked 2/19/10
http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/9483.html

hence we just need to boast our o3
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post Jan 9 2011, 11:18 PM

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can i point out something that you might missed out?
the O6 that we take from diet are mostly linolenic acid. studies show that we get about 10:1 omega6 to omega3, of which most are LA. however to made into AA, LA has to be converted to GLA and then converted again to AA. but the problem here is the rate of conversion of LA to AA is very low.

"Contrary to popular opinion, synthesis of AA from LA is not efficient either. Only a small percentage of LA intake is actually converted to AA in rats and even less in humans. Vegans generally have strongly reduced blood levels of both AA and DHA."
http://www.chiro.org/nutrition/FULL/Polyun...Disorders.shtml

imagine this, the mom's dietary LA, after conversion you already have very little AA. the only source of AA the baby can take is maternal's AA (LA in mom is useless for babies as their body cannot synthesize LA to AA). and how much maternal AA will be passing through the placenta barrier (or breast milk?). Therefore in order for the baby to have the most AA, mothers need to have high AA in their system. and like I already pointed out, AA should not rely entirely from LA conversion.
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and that makes me wonder how our grand-parents & parents survive without all this info?
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post Jan 11 2011, 10:18 AM

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We visited a doctor who once said, if DHA is so good, those foreign worker / laborer should just buy baby milk and drink - no need to study / work so hard also can be doctor! I think he's plain arrogant. Despite he might make sense but all the advertisement in TV, products, mags has showed that many products contain DHA these days, not just breast milk. If it's a plus point (whether proven or not), dont matter to me. So long it is not harmful.
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QUOTE(merchant9 @ Jan 11 2011, 10:18 AM)
We visited a doctor who once said, if DHA is so good, those foreign worker / laborer should just buy baby milk and drink - no need to study / work so hard also can be doctor! I think he's plain arrogant. Despite he might make sense but all the advertisement in TV, products, mags has showed that many products contain DHA these days, not just breast milk. If it's a plus point (whether proven or not), dont matter to me. So long it is not harmful.
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I think brain cell stop production when we reach 5 yrs old, its critical b4 this age.
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QUOTE(merchant9 @ Jan 11 2011, 10:18 AM)
We visited a doctor who once said, if DHA is so good, those foreign worker / laborer should just buy baby milk and drink - no need to study / work so hard also can be doctor! I think he's plain arrogant. Despite he might make sense but all the advertisement in TV, products, mags has showed that many products contain DHA these days, not just breast milk. If it's a plus point (whether proven or not), dont matter to me. So long it is not harmful.
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All those all the advertisement in TV, products, mags has showed that many products contain DHA these days are HARMFUL. Those who are not educated may think it is the OK substitute for mother's milk. The ignorant may not know the actual health benefits of breast milk.

Breastfeeding continues to offer health benefits into and after toddlerhood. These benefits include; lowered risk of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), increased intelligence[citation needed], decreased likelihood of contracting middle ear infections, cold, and flu bugs, decreased risk of some cancers such as childhood leukemia, lower risk of childhood onset diabetes, decreased risk of asthma and eczema, decreased dental problems, decreased risk of obesity later in life, and decreased risk of developing psychological disorders.

Breastfeeding also provides health benefits for the mother. It assists the uterus in returning to its pre-pregnancy size and reduces post-partum bleeding, as well as assisting the mother in returning to her pre-pregnancy weight. Breastfeeding also reduces the risk of breast cancer later in life.

Dun put your baby and your own health into the hands of the Salesman!

BTW The human brain does NOT stop cell reproduction when we reach 5 yrs old.

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