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TSmengdez
post Nov 13 2010, 11:18 AM, updated 16y ago

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Holloway Rant!

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What do you think? Arsene Wenger or even Sir Alex Ferguson did that all the time, so why the FA pick Ian Holloway and make a big issue out of it? I do think what Ian Holloway mentioned was right, the manager should has all the freedom to select their own players for each match, FA cannot interfere on it.
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post Nov 13 2010, 12:04 PM

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agrees... it a very subjective matter to enforce... this kinda act already rampant in FA Cup and League Cup... why make that fuss over Blackpool..
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post Nov 13 2010, 01:07 PM

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TS, you sure wenger and ferguson make 10 changes to a EPL match all the time?

as i know they only did this once the epl title has been won. but to say all the time ... purely bullshit.


Added on November 13, 2010, 1:11 pm
QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Nov 13 2010, 12:04 PM)
agrees... it a very subjective matter to enforce... this kinda act already rampant in FA Cup and League Cup... why make that fuss over Blackpool..
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the rule doesn't apply to fa and carling cup, only epl where clubs must field their best players for all matches.

btw, is premier league, not FA for this case.


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post Nov 13 2010, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(Ken @ Nov 13 2010, 01:07 PM)
TS, you sure wenger and ferguson make 10 changes to a EPL match all the time?

as i know they only did this once the epl title has been won. but to say all the time ... purely bullshit.
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maybe TS doesnt mean that SAF or Arsene Wenger make 10 changes to an EPL match all the time
but both coaches did make alot of changes if not 10..both team always play their youngster, not the same 1st eleven for everytime..
at least there will be 2-3 changes(minimum) and up to 6-7 changes.. but both team did that all the time but it just not 10 changes smile.gif

QUOTE(Ken @ Nov 13 2010, 01:07 PM)
the rule doesn't apply to fa and carling cup, only epl where clubs must field their best players for all matches.

btw, is premier league, not FA for this case.
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and i'm confused with the bolded part..which rules in BPL stated that clubs must field their best players for all matches?
sorry if i missed that but please correct me if i'm wrong. smile.gif


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post Nov 13 2010, 01:14 PM

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Competition is nvr fair, I remember one of the teams got fined for not sending their usual 1st team .. all 10 players changed except for the goalkeeper, sounds like surrender before match starts .. izit Blackpool or Sunderland, 2~3 seasons ago
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post Nov 13 2010, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(xMika @ Nov 13 2010, 01:14 PM)
Competition is nvr fair, I remember one of the teams got fined for not sending their usual 1st team .. all 10 players changed except for the goalkeeper, sounds like surrender before match starts .. izit Blackpool or Sunderland, 2~3 seasons ago
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if my memory serve me right, it should be wolves.. smile.gif
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post Nov 13 2010, 01:18 PM

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I'm agree with Holloway with this. Man, the rule this season need each team to registered 25 players, why on earth he isn't allowed to pick his team based on that pool of players?

And he's a manager lol. Like what he said, it's him to decide what the best team he will pick on the game, and not the administrations instead.

Well to push their opponents until losing on a late goal, away from home, it's not bad enough for a 'weaker side' cool2.gif

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post Nov 13 2010, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(Ken @ Nov 13 2010, 01:07 PM)
TS, you sure wenger and ferguson make 10 changes to a EPL match all the time?

as i know they only did this once the epl title has been won. but to say all the time ... purely bullshit.
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dude, TS only said field a weaker side, he din say 10 changes.

Managers field non-maximum powered teams all the time, for example benching a star player if the following game is important one. If FA wanna play by the rules, then this should be punishable as well. Then what about cup matches, where teams give reserves/youngsters a chance? Surely they are "weaker" than the usual first team players no? Punish as well. Besides, who are we to judge which player is weaker than the others? absurd. By saying a team fields a weaker team, that is basically an insult to the players who were chosen.

Never head this issue come out before Wolves played MU and field a changed squad of 10 players. It's unusual, but not wrong. Such a big commotion last season. Now Blackpool did it but against Villa, who's complaining?
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QUOTE(Ken @ Nov 13 2010, 01:07 PM)
TS, you sure wenger and ferguson make 10 changes to a EPL match all the time?

as i know they only did this once the epl title has been won. but to say all the time ... purely bullshit.


Added on November 13, 2010, 1:11 pm

the rule doesn't apply to fa and carling cup, only epl where clubs must field their best players for all matches.

btw, is premier league, not FA for this case.
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I understand what you trying to say but last time when Wolves field second string face MU doesn't get any action from FA (Was is premier league?) but now Blackpool did it and will get fine, there clearly not consistent decision from FA.

Plus, what Ian Holloway said is valid, he need to rest key players because of tighten competition date.


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post Nov 13 2010, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(mengdez @ Nov 13 2010, 01:21 PM)
I understand what you trying to say but last time when Wolves field second string face MU doesn't get any action from FA (Was is premier league?) but now Blackpool did it and will get fine, there clearly not consistent decision from FA.

Plus, what Ian Holloway said is valid, he need to rest key players because of tighten competition date.
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It's wolves who got fined, now Holloway is just saying IF. nobody is taking legal issue with him yet. Mick Mccarthy was fined 25k pounds i think last time..
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QUOTE(pyroboy1911 @ Nov 13 2010, 01:22 PM)
It's wolves who got fined, now Holloway is just saying IF. nobody is taking legal issue with him yet. Mick Mccarthy was fined 25k pounds i think last time..
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Oh, there was an action taken by FA back then? I knew Arsene made noise about Wolves attempt on that game.

If that the case, FA fine Blackpool might be valid though, still it is ridiculous as you have 25 man squad but you can't field all of them. blink.gif



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post Nov 13 2010, 01:29 PM

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trust me, FA wont do anything. This Holloway case, its just journalist asking whether there is a possibility FA fined him, and he is just saying IF that happens, he will be very mad. But apart from them, i have not heard anybody else complaining and FA will save them some time so they can continue sipping their English tea laugh.gif

But i reli like Holloway, never afraid to tell people a piece of his mind. You can bet he is in total control of his club, so passionate at first with his Rooney blast, now this biggrin.gif

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post Nov 13 2010, 02:41 PM

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Sure Wolves played a weakend side against ManUtd last season, but they WON the two games that sandwiched that match. Perfectly well done i would say.

In this case, there shouldn't be an issue and Holloway is right to be pissed.

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QUOTE(befitozi @ Nov 13 2010, 02:41 PM)
Sure Wolves played a weakend side against ManUtd last season, but they WON the two games that sandwiched that match. Perfectly well done i would say.

In this case, there shouldn't be an issue and Holloway is right to be pissed.
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Well, I've read somewhere in the newspaper that McCarthy urges for Holloway to be fined. LOL. If it is true, this is hypocrisy at its best.
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post Nov 13 2010, 04:48 PM

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McCarthy said that because he was still defending himself, he said "if Holloway gets away with it then it's double standardness" or sth along that line.

Interestingly, Holloway was one of those who criticize McCarthy last season laugh.gif you can read all of it HERE
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QUOTE(Ken @ Nov 13 2010, 01:07 PM)
TS, you sure wenger and ferguson make 10 changes to a EPL match all the time?

as i know they only did this once the epl title has been won. but to say all the time ... purely bullshit.


Added on November 13, 2010, 1:11 pm

the rule doesn't apply to fa and carling cup, only epl where clubs must field their best players for all matches.

btw, is premier league, not FA for this case.
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10 changes AW made it in CC. but not remember which season
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Premier League could have save themselves from all this trouble if only they didn't fine Wolves last season..totally stupid and unnecessary
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post Nov 13 2010, 06:52 PM

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to prove what wolves did wasnt wrong, they won the following game against bolton.
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post Nov 15 2010, 01:27 PM

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My 2 cents...

League titles aren't won over 1 game. There are 38 games in a season and if any club finds them needing a 'favour' from another, that's they own doing. Prior to relegation, Neil Warnock had his panties in a twist accusing Liverpool of fielding a weakened side against his relegation rival. Well guess what? We were preparing for a Championship final and had no chance of winning the Premiership title. We were already also guaranteed a Champions League spot so what exactly did we owe Sheffield United? I think that one manager whining about another not putting up a strong squad for their own benefit is a sore loser.

I'm behind Holloway on this one. Blackpool don't exactly have the biggest or strongest squad in the Premiership. I can understand if they want to be selective of the games they aim to win. They cannot realistically put on their best 11 every game hoping for 3 points. Who are their best 11 players anyway?
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This is a joke.

If i were a manager and am paid to do the best job by my employees and to therefore asked to have the clubs best's interests first WHY should I not be allowed to play my second stringers away at Man Utd especially if the next match is at home against my relegation rivals?

As in the F1 'team orders' fiasco, some knobhead in charge wanted to have 'maximum excitement' and 'viewer ratings', and forgot all about common sense.

 

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