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post Nov 10 2010, 11:30 AM, updated 16y ago

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post Nov 10 2010, 11:39 AM

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thanks. This is a superb analysis and info..
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post Nov 10 2010, 11:39 AM

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i thot this are from the blizzcon panel (which are in english actually)?
dustin browder is emo at MMtiming pushes as well btw

ps: check out the pirate guy!!!
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post Nov 10 2010, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 10 2010, 11:39 AM)
i thot this are from the blizzcon panel (which are in english actually)?
dustin browder is emo at MMtiming pushes as well btw

ps: check out the pirate guy!!!
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Pirate guy???
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post Nov 10 2010, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Nov 10 2010, 11:44 AM)
Pirate guy???
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johny depp in pirates of the caribean
evofantasy
post Nov 10 2010, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Nov 10 2010, 11:44 AM)
Pirate guy???
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one of the guy who posted questions to the panel...
he was dressed as a pirate and became quite a famous person on TL as he actualyl cried LOL
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post Nov 10 2010, 11:54 AM

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2. Progamer Feedback
Because of the skill level of Korean pros, we try to pay a lot of attention to this. We observe focusing our attention on a specific player. Also, we look at a lot of tournament replays. But the fact that progamers play only one race can be a drawback.

Read: CheckPrime, every CheckPrime replays.
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post Nov 10 2010, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Nov 10 2010, 11:54 AM)
2. Progamer Feedback
Because of the skill level of Korean pros, we try to pay a lot of attention to this. We observe focusing our attention on a specific player. Also, we look at a lot of tournament replays. But the fact that progamers play only one race can be a drawback.

Read: CheckPrime, every CheckPrime replays.
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so so true...

i know VR got nerf due to nexgenius lol...
and guess who sent the replay as well whistling.gif
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post Nov 10 2010, 12:04 PM

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I dont think they shud nerf zealots in the 1st place sad.gif
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post Nov 10 2010, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 10 2010, 11:52 AM)
one of the guy who posted questions to the panel...
he was dressed as a pirate and became quite a famous person on TL as he actualyl cried LOL
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Any Links please. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Nov 10 2010, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 10 2010, 12:04 PM)
I dont think they shud nerf zealots in the 1st place sad.gif
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well proxy 2gates chrono zealot are not ez to handle in the lower leagues...
higher leagues it jz made us more vulnerable to zerg in general...
most pros now skip the zeal and go for the double stalker builds...


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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Nov 10 2010, 12:11 PM)
Any Links please.  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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post Nov 10 2010, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 10 2010, 12:11 PM)
well proxy 2gates chrono zealot are not ez to handle in the lower leagues...
higher leagues it jz made us more vulnerable to zerg in general...
most pros now skip the zeal and go for the double stalker builds...


Added on November 10, 2010, 12:12 pm


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2 v 2 marine lot combo still rox rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Nov 10 2010, 02:08 PM

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what is davids kim nick on NA?

i played a guy named Dave who is a random
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post Nov 10 2010, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 10 2010, 02:08 PM)
what is davids kim nick on NA?

i played a guy named Dave who is a random
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dayvie...
ranked top 200 in NA
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post Nov 10 2010, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Nov 10 2010, 02:39 PM)
dayvie...
ranked top 200 in NA
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=163763

http://sc2ranks.com/us/715900/dayvie
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post Nov 10 2010, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Nov 10 2010, 02:47 PM)
i see he 2s with crota LOL
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post Nov 10 2010, 03:10 PM

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ahh i see i see haha ive so far the only famous i played with are fnatic players
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post Nov 10 2010, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 10 2010, 03:10 PM)
ahh i see i see haha ive so far the only famous i played with are fnatic players
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ohh yeah here too
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/715900/1/dayvie/
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post Nov 10 2010, 06:34 PM

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the only player i met is Roz and Azz >.<

Detailed analyzes ...but I still dont think that PvZ are balanced rite now
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post Nov 10 2010, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(xShinji @ Nov 10 2010, 06:34 PM)
the only player i met is Roz and Azz >.<

Detailed analyzes ...but I still dont think that PvZ are balanced rite now
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early game, or even late game where you constantly need sentries around to keep guard of random speedling runbys doh.gif doh.gif
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post Nov 10 2010, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 10 2010, 07:00 PM)
early game, or even late game where you constantly need sentries around to keep guard of random speedling runbys  doh.gif  doh.gif
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see SENtry Imba video by Sen (he nerdraged losing 2 toss in a row to get eliminated from MLG Dallas lol)
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post Nov 10 2010, 11:55 PM

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This evening I busted 2 hatcheries but lose the game in the end....sigh ......speedling reinforcement just gb my remaining units...and reinforcement...
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post Nov 11 2010, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(xShinji @ Nov 10 2010, 11:55 PM)
This evening I busted 2 hatcheries but lose the game in the end....sigh ......speedling reinforcement just gb my remaining units...and reinforcement...
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2 hatcheries and still lost? he got like 4-5 bases or something? lol
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post Nov 11 2010, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(xShinji @ Nov 10 2010, 11:55 PM)
This evening I busted 2 hatcheries but lose the game in the end....sigh ......speedling reinforcement just gb my remaining units...and reinforcement...
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when did u busted his 2 hatches?
was it too all-in-ish that u hope to end the game?
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post Nov 11 2010, 08:49 PM

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lol ...its middle game , i took down his 2nd hatch ..but mutalisk did harass me too ...while i not much lost i control my back unit ....den lose all my front unit lol ....even thou his whole land unit dead....just finish off my unit with his reinforcement muta

den he go with double expo(i think so)...bust another (doesnt really count as it double expo)....both unit lost about the same....den another base .....1 ultralist appear zzz....den his land unit all KO ....another base KO .....end up i no more units -,-" ....protoss units freaking eat minerals....he just supply reinforcement with speedling...i see my lone unit gbed ...sigh

end up tonne of ultralisk come ....i ter-tech HT lol ...he go finish me off easily.....

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post Nov 11 2010, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(xShinji @ Nov 11 2010, 08:49 PM)
lol ...its middle game , i took down his 2nd hatch ..but mutalisk did harass me too ...while i not much lost i control my back unit ....den lose all my front unit lol ....even thou his whole land unit dead....just finish off my unit with his reinforcement muta

den he go with double expo(i think so)...bust another (doesnt really count as it double expo)....both unit lost about the same....den another base .....1 ultralist appear zzz....den his land unit all KO ....another base KO .....end up i no more units -,-" ....protoss units freaking eat minerals....he just supply reinforcement with speedling...i see my lone unit gbed ...sigh

end up tonne of ultralisk come ....i ter-tech HT lol ...he go finish me off easily.....
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hmmm meaning his muta is in ur base while ur army is in his?
if he doesnt pull back his muta and u continue ur push u would win with ease i think...
mutas are not good base racer...
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post Nov 12 2010, 12:40 AM

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his roach
has finish up half of my front army....my timing push late >.< ...few muta up liao ....den his reinforcement faster ....slowly gaodim my army zzz
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post Nov 12 2010, 10:12 AM

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@Rashid ...stop doing this kind of things

rmb - "Haters gonna hate"
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post Nov 12 2010, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(xShinji @ Nov 12 2010, 10:12 AM)
@Rashid ...stop doing this kind of things

rmb - "Haters gonna hate"
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^ this
for a pretty new game, the balance atm is pretty good...
BW took a long time to be balanced...
while i dun like wut they are doing to toss in term of tech tree forcing robo (and i still find roaches a little too cheap with the range buff), i think the game is pretty much balanced now (though i hate dealing wit mass repair PFs)...

btw as day9 put it, the best way to handle mutas is aggression (from socke vs sen)...
blizzard seem to think PvZ is fine due to the amount of timing pushes NA/ EU toss are doing and i am really starting to agree with them...
seeing huk, kiwi, socke, ttone etc doing it over n over again in MLG dallas (off 2 base btw) was an educating experiences...
try looking at their games if u are having trouble from MLG dallas...

 

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