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PC Audio CREATIVE SB X-Fi Titanium HD, The audiophile's choice - featuring THX

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post Nov 2 2010, 01:30 PM, updated 13y ago

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The audiophile's choice - featuring THX TruStudio PC audio technology
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The Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD provides the highest quality audio playback of any other sound card Creative has ever introduced. This sound card includes THX TruStudio PC audio technology, bringing together two of the most respected names in sound quality to provide an unparalleled audio experience on the PC. The Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD features audiophile-grade components for high-quality playback of music, games and movies, including 122db SNR Digital-to-Analog Converters (DACs), the highest signal-to-noise ratio sound card ever produced by Creative. Replaceable OP-amps provide the flexibility to further customize your audio experience through different sound coloration. If you are serious about how your PC sounds, this is the ultimate Sound Blaster experience.

Creative Titanium HD Link

Features
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Feature Description
Audio Performance
DAC Resolution:
Front Channel Out : 24-bit, 192kHz
Headphone (330Ohms): 24-bit, 192kHz
Headphone (33Ohms): 24-bit, 192kHz
Aux In: 24-bit, 96kHz
Output Level (Full Scale):
Front Channel Out : 2Vrms
Headphone (330Ohms): 1Vrms
Headphone (33Ohms): 1Vrms
Aux In: 2Vrms
SNR (20kHz Low-pass filter, A-Wgt), @ 24-bit, 96kHz
Front Channel Out : 122dB
Headphone (330Ohms): 117dB
Headphone (33Ohms): 115dB
Aux In: 118dB
THD+N (20kHz Low-pass filter):
Front Channel Out : 0.001%
Headphone (330Ohms): 0.001%
Headphone (33Ohms): 0.006%
Aux In: 0.001%
Frequency Response (-3.5dB):
Front Channel Out : 10Hz to 90kHz
Headphone (330Ohms): 10Hz to 46kHz
Headphone (33Ohms): 10Hz to 46kHz
Aux In: 10Hz to 46kHz
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DAC unit of the X-Fi Titanium HD
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The Burr-Brown PCM1794 by Texas Instruments is a 24-bit 192KHz delta-sigma stereo Digital-to-Analog Converter (DAC).


But from here and here the PCM1794 is Advanced Segment not Delta-Sigma as written by VR-Zone

OPAMPS that comes with the Titanium HD
LME49710 op-amps
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The signal from the pair of JRC 2114D op-amps are fed into the Nationals, which do the job of differential to single-ended conversion.
Four metallized polyester film capacitors are situated beside the pair of LME49710 op-amps.

Features
Easily drives 600Ω loads
Optimized for superior audio signal fidelity
Output short circuit protection
PSRR and CMRR exceed 120dB (typ)
SOIC, DIP, TO-99 metal can packages
Info on the LME49710

JRC 2114D
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The NJM2114 is a dual low-noise operational amplifier by New Japan Radio Co. Ltd.
The pair of op-amps perform active I/V conversion for the PCM1794 output.

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The JRC2114D for a differential input current to voltage converter section.
You have 1 JRC2114D for each channel. Source


Input Circuit

ADC
BB PCM4220
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Another Burr-Brown part, the PCM4220 is a high performance Analog-to-Digital Converter (ADC).
It is a relatively new ADC, and is currently used in Focusrite's ISA 828 microphone pre-amplifier.
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The PCM4220 is a high-performance, two-channel analog-to-digital (A/D) converter designed for use in professional audio applications. Offering outstanding dynamic performance, the PCM4220 provides 24-bit linear PCM output data, with support for output word length reduction to 20-, 18-, or 16-bits. The PCM4220 includes three sampling modes, supporting output sampling rates from 8kHz to 216kHz. The PCM4220 is ideal for a variety of digital audio recording and processing applications.
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WM8775SEDS
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Wolfson's WM8775 24-bit 96KHz stereo ADC with 4-channel input mixer is used for analog-to-digital conversion for the microphone and front panel audio header inputs.
The signal from either inputs are buffered by STMicroelectronics MC33078 dual op-amps before arriving at the WM8775SEDS.

The WM8775 is a high performance, stereo audio ADC with a 4 channel input mixer. The WM8775 is ideal for digitising multiple analogue sources for surround sound processing applications for home hi-fi, automotive and other audio visual equipment. A stereo 24-bit multi-bit sigma delta ADC is used with a four stereo channel input selector. Each channel has programmable gain control. Digital audio output word lengths from 16-32 bits and sampling rates from 32kHz to 96kHz are supported. Source

DSP
Creative Audio CA20K2
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The audio processing unit onboard the X-Fi Titanium HD is the CA20K2 (E-MU 20K2). It is a native PCI Express solution. The same processor is found on the X-Fi Titanium.
There is 16MB of onboard memory on the X-Fi Titanium HD, again similar to the X-Fi Titanium and X-Fi Titanium Professional Audio.
Source VR-Zone
The 20K2 digital audio processor is based on the 20K1 architecture and accelerates OpenAL 3D audio, X-Fi CMSS-3D, X-Fi Crystalizer and other advanced X-Fi audio processing. The 20K2 uses an advanced PCI Express (PCIe) one-lane interface and adds an embedded RISC processor to safeguard against control latencies introduced by the PCIe interface. The 20K2 also expands the audio I/O capabilities and upgrades the SDRAM interface to DDR for increased local memory bandwidth. Source Creative OEM


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This post has been edited by antonio: Dec 20 2010, 02:27 AM
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post Nov 2 2010, 01:53 PM

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only rollable opamp is intriguing. they shud come this out sooner than xonar
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QUOTE(jinggothegreat @ Nov 2 2010, 01:53 PM)
only rollable opamp is intriguing. they shud come this out sooner than xonar
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Not only that, they use better DAC, better capacitor, separate headphone out and using RCA out as compared to previous flagship card, the Elite Pro
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post Nov 2 2010, 04:09 PM

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What dac chip it using?

Maybe should compare this with the Xonar Xense which already reviewed by weib.
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Have anyone found any head to head comparison both specs and sound test between the Ti HD and the Xonar Essence
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QUOTE(yen262 @ Nov 2 2010, 04:09 PM)
What dac chip it using?

Maybe should compare this with the Xonar Xense which already reviewed by weib.
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The Burr-Brown PCM1794 by Texas Instruments is a 24-bit 192KHz delta-sigma stereo Digital-to-Analog Converter (DAC).


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I think STX is a better bet.
It uses power direct from the PSU which eliminates alot of noise.

This is a simple but innovative way though not perfect to reduce any EMI and electrical noise from the mobo.
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QUOTE(weib @ Nov 2 2010, 08:55 PM)
I think STX is a better bet.
It uses power direct from the PSU which eliminates alot of noise.

This is a simple but innovative way though not perfect to reduce any EMI and electrical noise from the mobo.
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For just a 'better' DAC, Caps and a dedicated headphone out with not dedicated amp, its better off going for either the Mav D1 or the Audinst MX....

Or is it hmm.gif

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looks like Creative beh tahan XP's audio infrastructure also

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Optimized for Windows Vista and Windows 7
In order to achieve the ultimate Sound Blaster performance, the Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD has been optimized to work on PCs with Windows Vista or Windows 7 only.


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    * Intel® Core™2 Duo or AMD® processor equivalent (1.86 GHz or faster recommended)
    * Intel, AMD or 100% compatible motherboard
    * Microsoft® 7 32-bit or 64-bit, Windows Vista® 32-bit or 64-bit with Service Pack 1 or higher


http://asia.creative.com/products/product....4&product=19749

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The STX molex pin would truly shine if it powered by external linear PSU, if it just with internal PSU the difference is marginal, since it still share the power with other devices such as CPU, GPU etc, anything from 5V and 12V supply.

STX main weakness is its DSP, which claimed its not true bit perfect. If you set to max volume the DSP automatically normalize the volume to lower level from my reading at Head-Fi but they promised to give true bit perfect driver. I haven't read much nowadays, too much stuff on my plate.

Then again, X-Fi HD have an ace up its sleeve, is it use a dual single-channel opamp on buffer stage on RCA output, which is better than single dual-channel opamp found on STX, and it used the higher quality LME49710. The I/V stage is still single dual-channel though.
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shared powered yes, but it is the least contaminated.

dual single opamp is a nice feature, if it combined with a dual mono dac chip to prevent cross talk.

now it's just the same water tank with 2 option for 2 different flavor, doesn't help improve the original function of a soundcard which is primarily design to be a DAC - resolution, clarity and dynamics.

But this just based upon assumptions, I would love to audition it and see how it fairs in an A/Bx

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QUOTE(antonio @ Nov 3 2010, 09:47 AM)
the sifu has spoken  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

For just a 'better' DAC, Caps and a dedicated headphone out with not dedicated amp, its better off going for either the Mav D1 or the Audinst MX....

Or is it  hmm.gif
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It depends on how you define "better"
Standalone will obviously be a step up with the option of tweaking the sound to your liking with powercord, dedicated PSU and more space to put in more components.

Often high end computer audiophiles will use the sound cards/USB to BNC adapters as a digital interface to provide low jitter, low noise link to their standalone DAC.
Sound cards alone are convenient solutions but not the best while using standalone DAC via USB has it's issue also.

So it's hard to define "better".
you have to state which standards you're benchmarking it.

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I disagree, if it really just 'water tank', why bother with tweaking them? While it is mainly to output sound, soundcard is a term used for all-in-one sound solution, it incorporate DAC, ADC, and other extra features such as dedicated headphone output, surround sound support, SPDIF out etc. and not purely for digital to analog conversion.

The term 'benchmarking' in audio is hard to define, unless you mean objective benchmarks like RMAA test of Dynamic Range, THD etc. When subjective testing comes in, we will have different views and opinions regarding certain product. Not to take in account about reviewer biased to certain product, as we could see from certain someone who being ignorant by biasing anything tubes=goooood.

Why don't you buy one, I would like to hear someone who have both product to review them. I don't make assumption, I read from several sites and forums about it.
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QUOTE(weib @ Nov 3 2010, 05:16 PM)
Added on November 3, 2010, 5:23 pm
It depends on how you define "better"
Standalone will obviously be a step up with the option of tweaking the sound to your liking with powercord, dedicated PSU and more space to put in more components.

So it's hard to define "better".
you have to state which standards you're benchmarking it.
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Nov 3 2010, 06:18 PM)
I disagree, if it really just 'water tank', why bother with tweaking them? While it is mainly to output sound, soundcard is a term used for all-in-one sound solution, it incorporate DAC, ADC, and other extra features such as dedicated headphone output, surround sound support, SPDIF out etc. and not purely for digital to analog conversion.

The term 'benchmarking' in audio is hard to define, unless you mean objective benchmarks like RMAA test of Dynamic Range, THD etc. When subjective testing comes in, we will have different views and opinions regarding certain product. Not to take in account about reviewer biased to certain product, as we could see from certain someone who being ignorant by biasing anything tubes=goooood.

Why don't you buy one, I would like to hear someone who have both product to review them. I don't make assumption, I read from several sites and forums about it.
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Auditioning may give a better impression because sometimes white paper seems to 'color' things up.... thumbup.gif

No owners here in LYN shocking.gif unsure.gif

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Nov 3 2010, 06:18 PM)
I disagree, if it really just 'water tank', why bother with tweaking them? While it is mainly to output sound, soundcard is a term used for all-in-one sound solution, it incorporate DAC, ADC, and other extra features such as dedicated headphone output, surround sound support, SPDIF out etc. and not purely for digital to analog conversion.

The term 'benchmarking' in audio is hard to define, unless you mean objective benchmarks like RMAA test of Dynamic Range, THD etc. When subjective testing comes in, we will have different views and opinions regarding certain product. Not to take in account about reviewer biased to certain product, as we could see from certain someone who being ignorant by biasing anything tubes=goooood.

Why don't you buy one, I would like to hear someone who have both product to review them. I don't make assumption, I read from several sites and forums about it.
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My ROI for buying one to audition it seems rather outlandish hahaha.
Maybe I should try asking creative to T load me a set for review. heh heh

I use the water tank analogy because I have a dual mono DAC sound card - Cantatis Overture 192.
The resolution is one of the best for the analog out - there is a very distinct difference with its imaging where separation is like oil on water.

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It has arrived!!! rclxms.gif

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Will install it tonight and see whats what... brows.gif

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QUOTE(antonio @ Nov 8 2010, 06:28 PM)
It has arrived!!! rclxms.gif

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Will install it tonight and see whats what... brows.gif
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How much bro? drool.gif
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Rm500~600++ hmm.gif

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I was wondering....... rolleyes.gif whistling.gif

If i were to connect it to the Ordnance .22 (or the in the future the Maverick D1), should we use the output from the Headphone out or the Line Out to avoid overpowering the headphones?? sweat.gif

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would be interesting to know the price. drool.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Nov 8 2010, 09:33 PM)
How much bro? drool.gif
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QUOTE(Nvideon @ Nov 8 2010, 11:13 PM)
Rm500~600++ hmm.gif
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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Nov 9 2010, 03:18 AM)
would be interesting to know the price. drool.gif
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SRP: RM699
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