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Protoss Replay Analysis, Sorry only protoss and P/G/S/B player

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Quazacolt	Nov 2 2010, 04:39 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #21
Riding couple Senior Member 5,366 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: KL Malaysia	somethings you may improve on by watching this video: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10551810 linked by forumer dishwasher things to note: - how OP marauders CAN be. - what if terran advances his tech? - what can the protoss to do in such situation? - colossus isn't quite the answer to everything, however they are definitely needed - zealots are absolutely essential in a protoss army, and can be VERY devastating after upgrading charge - macro and micro, noticed how the battles kept raging, and their resource count are always kept low to keep production non stop (with upgrades, with chronos, mules, unit queues, warp ins etc) =edit= adding in credit This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 2 2010, 04:40 PM
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TSxShinji	Nov 2 2010, 05:24 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #22
Getting Started Junior Member 200 posts Joined: Jun 2009	» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Thanks a lot man. Will try to work on it.. Your grammar is not that bad. LoL I think I improve a bit, just played vs a plati zerg player.. http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/99067-1...t-temple#rd:dna Macro was better this game since I was sober. But lost A LOT of void ray due to lack of micro~ Did i improve a bit? I did notice that I forgot to upgrade wepon +1 for zelots. @cup2ndmee » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 1.03 Advices : pull your probe at 70 mineral if your bulding pylon at choke, 80-90 for near base pylon For PvZ, it is better to have choke walling. It is kind of important to block the choke from speedling. Once speedling got into your base, you will having trouble defending ur probes. Note that probes is more expensive den zergling (probes mines mineral) For each lose of probes, about 150 mineral is lost (from my experience) I think ur pylon is kind of early ...if your producing zealot from gateway early ...den 15 pylon will be more smooth ur 3rd pylon can be placed at about 22 supply ....it is more smooth from my experience For the 1st wave of zealot , their queen is gonna kiting your zealot. You actually can take your wounded zealot hit the DRONES (since 1 of your zealot can hit queen @ a time) Drones kill is very important. You able to kill 2 queen. which give you lead of 300 minerals + few zergling/drones = much more advantages than losing few zealots (4? 400) With the lead, Artosis said, it is better to expand to further your league. Nice for making Void Ray is made when saw opp tech roach thou. For that build, mass up your army seems to easier to win. 9.00Not really a good thing to expand and attack @ the same time. It delays your reinforcement . Queen is not that important to kill at this war, it has much less dps den roach !! Advice : kite your land unit to allow your land unit survive from roach/zergling while VR do the killing job. Switch to collosus is better then Carrier? the zerg has hyralisk which is strong : ) It just preferences i guess. Like how whitera win with carrier agaisnt Zerg hydralisk. Alternatively I would stop VR production and then go to 8 gateway . (2 base = 8 gateway) ....then win with mass unit. Once you expand, it is advisable to get a forge and cannon to defense from counter rush.
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cupmee2nd	Nov 2 2010, 07:29 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #23
Getting Started Junior Member 212 posts Joined: Jan 2009 From: Nibleheim	@shinji Will note advice 1.03. I prefer killing queen and presuring zerg to prevent them from power drone. So it is advice not to atk when u expo? Funny tht was wht day9 told me to do.. I think tht is why i am still at gold. Lol i think i will wait for someone else to upload their replay before i upload another 1.
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Quazacolt	Nov 2 2010, 08:14 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #24
Riding couple Senior Member 5,366 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: KL Malaysia	QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Nov 2 2010, 07:29 PM) @shinji Will note advice 1.03. I prefer killing queen and presuring zerg to prevent them from power drone. So it is advice not to atk when u expo? Funny tht was wht day9 told me to do.. I think tht is why i am still at gold. Lol i think i will wait for someone else to upload their replay before i upload another 1. - killing queen is fine and dandy. thats IF you kill the damn thing and not lose your zealots killing nothing while the queen is running in circles around the base laughing at your evaporated zealots. - while shinji's advice is correct, day9's advice is also correct. the key lies in flexibility, and what kind of attack you want to do. for example, the nexus can be pylons, or 4 zealots to further reinforce your attack. if you're doing one large finall "all in" attack and its a "win now or die trying situation", you're probably better with shinji's advice. if you're just doing a small skirmish, trying to pressure, and not going to over commit (eg: retreat when you're losing more than him, or you know you're at a disadvantage etc) then doing an expansion when you're moving out (because in a typical situation, he cannot atk your new and vulnerable expansion while he have to defend your incoming forces) would probably be an ideal choice.
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TSxShinji	Nov 2 2010, 08:35 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #25
Getting Started Junior Member 200 posts Joined: Jun 2009	the problem is hyralisk is shooting his army or roach ....Roach just evaporate his whole army while he manage to kill queen only.
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IisTHEmoron	Nov 2 2010, 08:58 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #26
New Member Junior Member 44 posts Joined: Aug 2010	@cupmee2nd. all i can say is that the zerg player had terrible terrible micro and macro abilities. -.- he could've killed of your army easy. intead i don't knw what he did and lost his entire army. -.-
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Quazacolt	Nov 3 2010, 02:24 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #27
Riding couple Senior Member 5,366 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: KL Malaysia	QUOTE(xShinji @ Nov 2 2010, 08:35 PM) the problem is hyralisk is shooting his army or roach ....Roach just evaporate his whole army while he manage to kill queen only. wait, wat? lol
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TSxShinji	Nov 3 2010, 07:15 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #28
Getting Started Junior Member 200 posts Joined: Jun 2009	ah typo lol ...hydralisk : ) ....With your army and great force field placement @ 1st wave (vs roach) Your already could own the game ...zerg has no spine crawler and his army is vry little. That's why no need to killl queen so fast. Evaporate his army then chop off the queen by late abit. No good? (my opinion only ...)
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evofantasy	Nov 3 2010, 11:29 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #29
Avadion of the Enders Senior Member 2,690 posts Joined: Aug 2005 From: Penang/ Kuala Lumpur	QUOTE(cupmee2nd @ Nov 2 2010, 07:29 PM) @shinji Will note advice 1.03. I prefer killing queen and presuring zerg to prevent them from power drone. So it is advice not to atk when u expo? Funny tht was wht day9 told me to do.. I think tht is why i am still at gold. Lol i think i will wait for someone else to upload their replay before i upload another 1. depends on how committed u are to ur attack and how early... when u are going for a big timing attack, u dun wanna expand... if u are going to poke and might catch ur opponent off guard for the win, better to expand... expanding is a choice based on ur game plan at the moment... if i am going for a 1 base play, i wont expand even when i attack... but if i am going for a longer macro game while pressuring then i expand... my gameplan vs T is usually to expand so i would never commit that much to my attack... Added on November 3, 2010, 11:30 ambtw: vs zerg its safe to jz fake a 4gate pressure and pull back... make him commit on units instead of drones... dun go headon against 2 spine crawlers usually LOL This post has been edited by evofantasy: Nov 3 2010, 11:30 AM
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Quazacolt	Nov 3 2010, 11:41 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #30
Riding couple Senior Member 5,366 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: KL Malaysia	QUOTE(xShinji @ Nov 3 2010, 07:15 AM) ah typo lol ...hydralisk : ) ....With your army and great force field placement @ 1st wave (vs roach) Your already could own the game ...zerg has no spine crawler and his army is vry little. That's why no need to killl queen so fast. Evaporate his army then chop off the queen by late abit. No good? (my opinion only ...) well, i just noticed the typo myself. but no im not pointing about the hydralisk. i am pointing out that he is chasing queens when zerg already have hydralisks (tier 2, mid game etc) which is kinda, lolwat.
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TSxShinji	Nov 3 2010, 02:18 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #31
Getting Started Junior Member 200 posts Joined: Jun 2009	QUOTE Lol i think i will wait for someone else to upload their replay before i upload another 1. Ah just notice this ...no worry, spam me with your replay if you want to improve fast. Its other disadvantage if dont want use this kind of service ( or dont believe in me >.<) WUAHAHAHAH Notice that : I actually do learn from you guys too : ) .....I want fresh strat haha .....and now, gonna need to improve my english. with the help from this. Added on November 3, 2010, 2:19 pm@Evofantasy No time ke? ....come help me do replay analysis for other race leh : ) This post has been edited by xShinji: Nov 3 2010, 02:19 PM
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evofantasy	Nov 3 2010, 02:28 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #32
Avadion of the Enders Senior Member 2,690 posts Joined: Aug 2005 From: Penang/ Kuala Lumpur	QUOTE(xShinji @ Nov 3 2010, 02:18 PM) Ah just notice this ...no worry, spam me with your replay if you want to improve fast. Its other disadvantage if dont want use this kind of service ( or dont believe in me >.<) WUAHAHAHAH Notice that : I actually do learn from you guys too : ) .....I want fresh strat haha .....and now, gonna need to improve my english. with the help from this. Added on November 3, 2010, 2:19 pm@Evofantasy No time ke? ....come help me do replay analysis for other race leh : ) lol dun think i got enuff time to do that... i have 1 hour of lecture per day from day9 LOL!
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kEazYc	Nov 3 2010, 02:44 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #33
Regular Senior Member 1,314 posts Joined: Oct 2009 From: Cheras, KL	QUOTE(xShinji @ Nov 2 2010, 05:24 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Thanks a lot man. Will try to work on it.. Your grammar is not that bad. LoL I think I improve a bit, just played vs a plati zerg player.. http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/99067-1...t-temple#rd:dna Macro was better this game since I was sober. But lost A LOT of void ray due to lack of micro~ Did i improve a bit? I did notice that I forgot to upgrade wepon +1 for zelots. @cup2ndmee » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 1.03 Advices : pull your probe at 70 mineral if your bulding pylon at choke, 80-90 for near base pylon For PvZ, it is better to have choke walling. It is kind of important to block the choke from speedling. Once speedling got into your base, you will having trouble defending ur probes. Note that probes is more expensive den zergling (probes mines mineral) For each lose of probes, about 150 mineral is lost (from my experience) I think ur pylon is kind of early ...if your producing zealot from gateway early ...den 15 pylon will be more smooth ur 3rd pylon can be placed at about 22 supply ....it is more smooth from my experience For the 1st wave of zealot , their queen is gonna kiting your zealot. You actually can take your wounded zealot hit the DRONES (since 1 of your zealot can hit queen @ a time) Drones kill is very important. You able to kill 2 queen. which give you lead of 300 minerals + few zergling/drones = much more advantages than losing few zealots (4? 400) With the lead, Artosis said, it is better to expand to further your league. Nice for making Void Ray is made when saw opp tech roach thou. For that build, mass up your army seems to easier to win. 9.00Not really a good thing to expand and attack @ the same time. It delays your reinforcement . Queen is not that important to kill at this war, it has much less dps den roach !! Advice : kite your land unit to allow your land unit survive from roach/zergling while VR do the killing job. Switch to collosus is better then Carrier? the zerg has hyralisk which is strong : ) It just preferences i guess. Like how whitera win with carrier agaisnt Zerg hydralisk. Alternatively I would stop VR production and then go to 8 gateway . (2 base = 8 gateway) ....then win with mass unit. Once you expand, it is advisable to get a forge and cannon to defense from counter rush. 9.00, i remember day9 said before, you move out your troop, you expand at the same time, isn't that correct? :S
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cupmee2nd	Nov 3 2010, 02:56 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #34
Getting Started Junior Member 212 posts Joined: Jan 2009 From: Nibleheim	QUOTE(kEazYc @ Nov 3 2010, 02:44 PM) 9.00, i remember day9 said before, you move out your troop, you expand at the same time, isn't that correct? :S yup
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TSxShinji	Nov 3 2010, 03:02 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #35
Getting Started Junior Member 200 posts Joined: Jun 2009	@kEazYc That my mistake, it has been point out by Quaza : ) Pressure push = ok to expand however, have to make sure ur enemy army is not much stronger than you ! All in = not ok : )
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Quazacolt	Nov 3 2010, 03:16 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #36
Riding couple Senior Member 5,366 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: KL Malaysia	QUOTE(xShinji @ Nov 3 2010, 03:02 PM) @kEazYc That my mistake, it has been point out by Quaza : ) Pressure push = ok to expand however, have to make sure ur enemy army is not much stronger than you ! All in = not ok : ) there is no right and wrong from that. just depends on what kinda attack/push you want to do. all in or not so long you win, thats what matters right?
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TSxShinji	Nov 3 2010, 03:23 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #37
Getting Started Junior Member 200 posts Joined: Jun 2009	Mistake for saying not good to expand and expo and same time >.< ....Totally forget that quote from day9. (even though hear from him from time to time.) @ Evo, you can analyze once a week also can. Hahahaha Sad for other race lah -,-" . Unless they go other forum do it @.@
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cupmee2nd	Nov 3 2010, 03:28 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #38
Getting Started Junior Member 212 posts Joined: Jan 2009 From: Nibleheim	I think IisTHEmoron and bluemoon have the ability to do Zerg replay analysis. If they wan to As for Terran?
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Quazacolt	Nov 3 2010, 03:48 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #39
Riding couple Senior Member 5,366 posts Joined: Jan 2007 From: KL Malaysia	QUOTE(xShinji @ Nov 3 2010, 03:23 PM) Mistake for saying not good to expand and expo and same time >.< ....Totally forget that quote from day9. (even though hear from him from time to time.) @ Evo, you can analyze once a week also can. Hahahaha Sad for other race lah -,-" . Unless they go other forum do it @.@ there are the 3 racial threads which time to time people would upload their replays and ask for help. so in a way, it isn't exactly needed. that said, threads like these creates a focal point for specifically replay analysis and can reduce some cluttering of the race threads
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TSxShinji	Nov 3 2010, 03:53 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #40
Getting Started Junior Member 200 posts Joined: Jun 2009	ooo ah.....>.< ....If I could recruit few ppl for other race den happy liao : ) ... Fulltime service parttime service needed !!
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