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post Aug 14 2015, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Aug 14 2015, 08:58 AM)
To the original poster......Resolution, Size, Ports, Smarts, True Refresh Rates, Screen Uniformity, Deep blacks and the ability to reproduce the incoming source as closely as possible without "improving" color, smoothness or other characteristics. Those are my criteria for a good tv, once a higher tier or level TV is able to give me all that in a single package and within my budget, I'm pulling the trigger.

@Mea Culpa....My car analogy was way off? Dude, just cuz you are unable to wrap your head around something, doesn't make it wrong. I spoke about dimming features in general, you were supposed to read that as true localized dimming, but no no no, you went on some typing spree about edge dimming. Learn to read and understand context. I'd continue taking you on but your degrading manners and poor choice of language leaves me with no choice. Get some quality sleep if you still haven't. I haveĀ  smile.gif
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Let other forumers be the judge. Youre just playing with words . Now talking about language superiority,.. Eh.. Right but other than that you just nothing... A snobbish noobie.

I'd doubt ppl will take u seriously after this post.

Its about series 5 vs series 6 remember? There is no such thing as true localized dimming in Samsung except their series 9 flagship 4k. The blacks are not significant even with dimming on the series 6.

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Aug 14 2015, 09:43 AM)
Once again your inability to..... Oh wait, not again... In my initial post, I made reference to series 6+, which meant "and above" including this series 9 you just mentioned. I even mentioned the F8500. Last I checked, that's no series 6. Dude, just take a chill pill .... My life doesn't start and end on forums. Seriously, your time is better invested learning some manners.
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You should too. It goes both ways.

You started it in your 1st reply. "Check your eyes" comment remember? I only attacked "marketing lies" not you.

Peace bro..

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Series 9 flagship 4k is a completely different product.

Marketing will try hard to relate this to their other lower series to boost sales.

Read the above article. Their micro dimming is NOT even a dimming technology, its a software algorithm that change the image to look like real thing.

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QUOTE(g88 @ Aug 14 2015, 10:11 AM)
f8500 is obsolete. If you can find a used/display one consider very very good luck already....Plasma IQ still unbeatable...
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The closest to mid-high range plasma is a full array led.

5-6 years ago mostly dimming TV are full arrays, now its a rarity.

Now it seems like more gimmick and cosmetic competition. 4k.. 1200hz... Micro dimming ultimate which does not do leds dimming..

Plasma users were forced to stick to their old junk. No point upgrading. Flagship tv is a no no.. Sigh..

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QUOTE(shinchan5347 @ Aug 14 2015, 10:41 AM)
This might be off topic but how can I know my plasma tv have hdmi cec or not?
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Models after 2011 should have iirc.
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post Aug 15 2015, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Aug 14 2015, 11:40 AM)
I am sure alot plasma user still very happy with their TV IQ vs LED...
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Very true. Even the flagship JS9500 is not a match against a mid tier plasma like ST60 series. Let alone VT Series.

OLED is the next big thing. Unfortunately the organic nature of the panel is so prone to degradation.

Worse screen burn on OLED than plasma mostly is not reversible unlike plasma. You need a negative image the burn area to erase it whereas plasma only need a white screen. Trying to erase burn-in on OLED will worn or degrate the panel further, for most cases its not possible.

Some reviews claimed you might need color re-calibration for every 1-2 years of use.

Burn in and degradation are not bugs than can be fix. Its more like technological downside of organic LED. Just like plasma power consumption.

Why they dropped plasma? Pixel pitch size not suitable for small screen 4k.

Another one is china.

All plasma panels is made in Korea or japan. For LCD makers ..no need to say.

That's why no "panel lottery" for plasma but only lcd

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post Aug 17 2015, 02:24 PM

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Some forummers ask about this;

Lol... Sales ppl gonna hate me for this...

What's the advantage of 48hz vs 120hz when watching in 24fps mode (lets say 60fps interpolation turn OFF for the 120hz mode). The answer is none if the LCD panels have similar response time. Refresh rate depends on its controller board. Poor response time LCD needs overvolting (overdrive) to make it run higher refresh.

Calculator is 1fps it will never refresh if no changes on screen. It doesn't matter what hz right?

Current demos on 120hz tv always turn interpolation on by default for fluid motion. However this is NOT 24p my friend. Its actually altered with additional fake frames. Why? To make the TV stands out or else they all look same regardless of native refresh rate.
marketing techs. Luckily there is option to turn it off...

For plamas 24p mode. Its different.. there is pq improvements going from 48hz (old tech) to the recent tech 96hz. Plasma pulse to display picture.

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post Aug 17 2015, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(Intrigue @ Aug 17 2015, 11:14 PM)
Noticed flash light and uneven backlight on my 2mth old 48J5500. Sigh
Report to Samsung or would Senq entertain my one to one replacement? I doubt it though.
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Normal for edge lit (side mounted LEDs) Led tv backlighting. Sometimes uniformity get worse after heat cycles, probably due to moistures between the backlight difuse layer. Already owned a few edge. its normal. You could use some ambient lights , eg like strips of LEDs.

Older LCD TV do not have this issue as the backlight CCFL tubes is directly behind the panel.

Very frustating if you are upgrading from plasma ..

Try reducing your backlight setting.

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Aug 17 2015, 11:41 PM)
Dude.. Let plasma tech go.. Its dead.. not coming back. Its cons outweighed the pros for future tech...Its the price we have to pay for innovation to continue and move forward, else better tech won't be invented (Think mechanical hard disks vs newer SSDs). As for refresh rates... 120Hz is better than 60Hz for fast sports action and video games. Otherwise, not necessary. Why? Cuz those added frames can help reduce stuttering and blur, and the action will be easier to track.
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Not again ... No offence .. 120hz for sports is MARKETING.

Human EYES can't tell the difference anything above 60hz.

Else our florescent 50\60hz will be annoying as hell.

Can you see the 60hz ocsilation?

Dude stop embarrassing yourself with non-sense.

120hz was developed for 3D which is 60hz left eye + 60hz right eye.

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Are you an it guy? Firedup AviSnyth smooth mrdia playback. Also using GPU OpenGL acceleration.

You can get a superslick motion with very vlittle artifacts thanks to gpu pixel shader. Quality no TV can do. Using 60hz input and 60hz panel.
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Are you an it guy? Firedup AviSnyth smooth mrdia playback. Also using GPU OpenGL acceleration.

You can get a superslick motion with very vlittle artifacts thanks to gpu pixel shader. Quality no TV can do. Using 60hz input and 60hz panel.
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Are you an it guy? Firedup AviSnyth smooth mrdia playback. Also using GPU OpenGL acceleration.

You can get a superslick motion with very vlittle artifacts thanks to gpu pixel shader. Quality no TV can do. Using 60hz input and 60hz panel.
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QUOTE(Intrigue @ Aug 17 2015, 11:55 PM)
Reported to samsung and apparently another unit doesnt have such issue. The tech pwrsonnel will come on thursday.
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Could be the moisture. Don't put TV too close to AC or fish aquarium?

But generally backlght bleeding is normal for led TV, its not obvious when still new.
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@voncrane

Its NOT the hz but fps. A 60hz panel can also display 60fps.

Some 60p are native 30fps (2:2 pulldown) not 60fps.

With auto motionplus maxed u get 60fps native (1:1 no pulldown)

PS: lcd panel response time no longer an issue with 7-8th generation LCD. Artifacts is very minimal.

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LG LA6xxx , 5800 some examples of 60hz that comes with interpolation (TruMotion). FPR pasive 3D does not need 120hz refresh.

Samsung marketing however.. Only enabled interpolation (Automotionplus) in their 120hz TV series 6 and up that also comes with active 3d. Its the MC engine that helps motion.. The 120hz mostly for 3d only.

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Aug 18 2015, 01:14 AM)
Whatever floats your boat bro... I couldn't care less. In fact, I recommend you buy the remaining CRT TVs wherever you can find them and keep using. I'm no "IT" guy but I don't spout bs and refrain from random ramblings. As for you, who claims to "know" a lot, its no surprise that you find it difficult to differentiate between response times, refresh rates (was talking about this) and frames per second.

FYI, the human visual system can process 10 to 12 separate images per second depending on what's being measured. Perception of reality has also been measured to being at about 66 frames per second. So yes the human eyes can tell the difference between 60hz and 120hz or even newer 144hz displays. I'm lead to believe that you have either never experienced proper tuned motion on a 120hz panel or u tried and couldn't tell the difference due to say less than optimum eyesight or whatever. Trust me, it's not something you can unsee easily.

Edit.. Before another furry of responses.. I would rather buy a tv advertised with 120hz that produces superior pq over one that produces less and advertised as 60hz. It's all about the pq. For monitors, especially for pc gamers, it's a no brainier to go for the higher hz monitor, cuz there's an actual difference as long as both the game and GPU supports it.
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Well I guess no point arguing with who knows nothing about whats he's talking. Response time is directy related to refresh rate implementation.

Poor response time = motion blur = bad for sports.

Yeahhh let's go for higher hz .. It must be better.. Typical right?

Im at lost how max 66 frames per second = go up to 144hz?
144hz progressive without frame repeat = 144fps.

What do you know about Hertz? Human vision is no hertz boy...

I doubt you even have the slightest idea what is refresh rate and how and it is used. Let alone understand it.

There are many types if refresh rate. Plasma panel refresh 600-2500hz so does it make it better? No. It has to refresh that just much to keep picture on screen, regardless moving or static.

Your snobbish attitude disgust me.

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Let me prove you wrong again. Turn off interpolation automotionplus then watch your sports content again. I tell u its still 120hz. I didn't know there is"proper" motion tuning, what calibration is that? Source pls. A joke? Lol

As for gaming:

BTW I owned few gaming monitors. Anything beyond 60hz is marketing.

I just need ones with 72hz for proper frame division for my 24p movies. The subtle and slight boost in refresh only amount to marketing.

Even hardcore gamers capped their GPU to 60fps max to reduce heat and cool operation. Want to go 100fps+ for what? Fry your gpu? Lol. I'm a hardcoregamer myself.

Lol I think I'll stop here. Before posting non-sense do yourself a favor google keyword: Interpolation/ SOE.

Get your facts right b4 posting. Your post got no substance only personal opinions + ad hominem. Previously was about language and my eyes, now CRT TV ...seriously? What's next?

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Most SPORTS broadcast is already 60fps.

Any LCD with good response time can display it nicely even at 60hz with minimal motion blur.

Even a 120hz panel with poor response time may have motion blurring.

There is more but that's just marketing.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-test-r...d-response-time

FACT:

If you feed a 120Hz TV the same 60 fps frame rate without motion interpolation, the refresh rate of a TV does not matter, because the frame time and response time stay the same. This situation arises for most televisions running console video games in a "Game Mode" setting, which usually disables motion interpolation.


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48hz, 72hz IS FOR DE-JUDDERING. OK I had enuf..

I could be wrong, you probably don't understand english. My post is for forummers here on what TV to look for if

A) they do not want 3D

B) non smart


Now you want to tell them go all the way up 3d smart whatever crap.. for technological advancement? There could be slight improvements but only amounts to marketing, not essential.

PS: pls stop copy paste thing u don't understand. Not gonna wasting time explaining.

Do yourself a favour go buy your super ultra 300fps fanboy TV. Most folks here do not have ultraman eye balls like you.


About plasma : You got confused between video refresh rate VS panel refresh rate. Not going to waste time there either. 120hz 96hz is no foreign for plasma or even interpolation. Guess you've never seen a midrange plasma before.
600hz 2500hz 3000hz is plasma panel refresh rate. Before that u need to understand panels that use PMW... Oops you dont.

Posted alot ady but u never go n read. You reply without understanding the intented post which leads to strawman.

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In TV bussiness PQ is just a diversion.

Marketing is the real game. See even LED TV is a misnomer . Its not even a LED display technology.

If PQ is the name of the game then they would not have slaughter plasma.. Plasma tech is NEWER than LCD and LED. Reminds me of Ned Stark in Game of Thrones. Lol

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Why I prefer rtings.com for examples? It helps non-technicalaverage joe forumers to better understand TV Techs.

Lets look at your writings which you didnt copy paste below. Critical thinking eludes you.. hell yeah!! Could have made it into my sig.

Your critical thinking is mind boggling... what gas got to do with flashlighting? rclxub.gif theres no LED in plasma.. laugh.gif

It could be the BEST joke ever.

QUOTE(voncrane @ Aug 18 2015, 11:56 AM)
With Plasmas, there is no refresh rate at all. Because they are gas operated and do not have to worry about the LED light flashing, or something like that. Anyway, what they do is take each frame (each of the 60 per second frames) and modify them into 10 shades of color. This gives deeper color tones and accuracy, ultimately making it look better. But it is not at all like the LED refresh rate.

You sir, are a living example of why the more vocal Malaysian politicians or officials spout crap they don't truly understand and fail to see anything else beyond an inch of their nose. Critical thinking eludes you. I believe we've derailed the thread enough. Try reading beyond sites like rtings.com ya... You would be amazed at the info that real professionals and researchers have on human visual processing and cognitive neurosciences. Now go back to your 60hz (or is it 72hz? ConfusingĀ  smile.gif ) displays are king mentality and leave the future to progress.
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If you're still wondering....

Plasma panel refresh rate is directly related to its Pulse Width Modulation implementation. There is but not in the traditional sense like CRT or LCD.

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