I'm not sure how YTL rate the 5X because maximum throughput (based on their spectrum - to use 10Mhz configuration) is ~40Mbps.

HSPA is 14Mbps and HSPA+ is 21 Mbps (the 40Mbps claimed by U Mobile is by using multiple carrier - more frequency - it's not the tech capability).

So where is the 5X coming from?

I heard they are going to offer 11Mbps DL/1 Mbps UL with pay as you go model. So there won't be any quote/FUP.

So people can enjoy the maximum-if-available-speed of 11Mbps DL/ 1Mbps UL forever, as long as you can afford to pay.

I personally feel is a good model for those people who like to complain that they are being throttled or provide a quota that is too low based on the price they paid.

YES will be happy if people use its service to torrent or P2P, the more these group of people use, the more YES will earn.

So it's a win-win solution.

However, I feel people who tend to torrent and p2p at home, instead of going to movie theatre to pay for RM12 for a movie will be willing to pay for the service.

I think YTL WiMAX is your cup of tea, it's pay-per-use model ... so I will say not many people will dare to use it to P2P or heavy usage. So their basestation will not go congest easily.

Since you are willing to pay, I think shouldn't be a problem.

Bullshit lah. Minimum 7 Mbps is theoretically not possible for WiMAX. No ISP will dare to guarantee minimum speed for wireless broadband.

I did some study of my own on why wireless broadband under deliver.

Based on the 10Mhz channel bandwidth the local WiMAX ISP is deploying, the theoretical should be around 35Mbps.
Note that 35Mbps is if you are in the best signal region using the service by yourself.
Subject to how far the ISP blast their signal, only <100m or LOS is qualified to be called the best signal.

So mix-n-match the subs under poor,moderate and good signal, you will probably only be getting average 15Mbps maximum throughput per sector shared by everyone under the sector.

In short, the actual speed and the theoretical speed can be very very far apart.

Same applies to 3G as well.

COMMON WIRELESS BROADBAND CONCEPT:
The more station = smaller cell = more bandwidth for every subs = more investment for ISP = less profit for ISP

So, more profit for ISP translates to more unhappy subs hahahaha

I think the rebates will be the key differentiation.

However I do have questions, since it's 9 cents per 3MB. If I'm using 2.6MB, is it round up per block to 9 cents as well. Is it charged per session or only accumulate every month?

Is the phone 3G+WiMAX or WiMAX only? When available ? HTC MAX definitely better than the Samsung one.

http://www.htc.com/www/product/max4g/specification.html

It says in 2.5-2.7Ghz ... not for Malaysia WiMAX

This is the one launched in Russia.

This post has been edited by p4n6: Nov 18 2010, 08:18 PM

It encourages to use more but at the same time use less also okay. I think the idea is not bad after all.

However I do have suspicion on:

1. If I don't retain usage of RM30 per month, what will happen?
2. In order to get this month rebate on next month, is that means the next month also need to retain usage of RM30 as well or it can be 0?
3. If this month rebate is RM50 and my next month usage is RM30, is that means I can have free credit of RM20 or it will be zeroed?
4. If there is credit in my account, let say RM10 and I decide not to use, is that means I will lose the RM10 and cannot cash it?

Not special.

Actually it's the same model like what Maxis/Digi/Celcom are doing.

Maxis plan is minimum RM30 also and you can use it for voice/sms/data as well.

http://www.maxis.com.my/personal/mobile/ra...p?iStruct=0:1:0

The only difference is the rate for voice/sms/data. YES is cheaper as compared to Maxis/Digi/Celcom.

However, I do want to point out one fine print, it mentions the voice and sms rates are 9 cents per min/sms however I believe it's only for on-net but not off-net. And note that majority mobile and fixed line numbers are OFF-NET to YES subscribers. Subject to the rate for off-net call, it's the real deal whether it's cheap or expensive for voice and sms.

For data, after all the rebates, it's quite comparable to other 3G operators.

We can split to two ranges of subscribers, Voice+Data User (like android/iPhone/BB) and Broadband Internet user

If you are a existing Maxis/Celcom/Digi Android/iPhone/BB subscribers, I don't see any advantage in subscribing to YES actually (not to mention the silly phone).

For Broadband user, the rate will be slightly cheaper as compared to Maxis/Digi/Celcom Wireless Broadband but more expensive as compared to P1.



So, you can see YES is here to challenge MAXIS/DIGI/CELCOM existing mobile voice + data operators.

We will see a red ocean war happening very soon ... hehe ...

Unless YES can come out with some phones that's not as silly as the YES BUZZ, sorry I won't consider.

Thanks for your clarification.

Indeed i'm a little confused because i thought it's prepaid but it seems that they can auto-debit my account now.
If what you say is right, even if I don't use their service for 2 months, they are still charging me RM60.
Then it's not prepaid. It's postpaid !!!! Similar with Maxis Plan 30,50,80,120 etc.

No no no no ... I'm currently subscribing to Maxis Plan 80. But I can use Mobile Internet at Pay Per Use Basis (10kb for 10cents) without adding additional data package. The data charges for pay per use is part of my RM80 minimal commitment.

yea i know the price is expensive but what I mean it's still the same type of charging mechanism for Maxis Plan and Yes Plan only the rate is different.

It depends whether the subscribers need to combine Broadband with Mobile Internet and voice. From my point of view, I don't need all three together, so I will tend to compare the price differently.

Cause people who want to subscribe to YES Broadband will not even need the 018 voice and the phone so they will tend to compare the price based on the Mobile Broadband with YES Broadband.

So for people who want to subscribe for voice+data, they will compare differently.

To be honest, YES is good for voice+data but not for broadband judging from their charging rate that can really cut throat.

Note that Maxis 3G broadband despite after FUP, you can still use with throttled speed but YES will continue cutting your throat.

I will say it will be better than the rest.

Reason: Heavy users won't subscribe to it.

That's why I say they are using the right strategy to phase out those heavy users.

I also will not subscribe to its broadband service. Hahaha ... I need one drama per night, with that rate, I can buy original DVD from Speedy Video.

The Voice+Data maybe depends on their charging rate for OFF-NET calls and of course on their phone type.

Usually, when calling to other operators will cost more expensive because the other operator will charge the interconnect fees.
If YES going to absorb the interconnect charge, then it's fine with me though hehe.
I saw the comparison chart you posted, it seems that they are comparing on-net charges but not off-net.


That one is not using their device.
It's call using computer like MSN messenger and Skype.
I believe they will provide a soft-client like a messenger as well.


Unsure whether their device is multimode (2.3/2.5Ghz), cause Japan and US are running on 2.5Ghz WiMAX, Malaysia is 2.3Ghz.

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Added on November 19, 2010, 8:52 amGoogle Talk is FREE.

This post has been edited by p4n6: Nov 19 2010, 08:52 AM

Thanks for the information. Wah you wake up so early? hahahaha ...

Yea, you are right on the Google Talk. I believe it's capable but didn't turn it on because it will contradict to the voice operator which will be selling their devices.

How about SKYPE? Those app can be installed on smartphone to do voice call. If my smartphone has a SKYPE and someone else has SKYPE on PC. I can talk for free (paying data)

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Added on November 19, 2010, 9:07 amMeans RM200 bucks lo

This post has been edited by p4n6: Nov 19 2010, 09:07 AM

Aiyo. It's not so hard to understand.

Our existing 3G phone is running on HSPA/UMTS so it cannot work in YES WiMAX network.

What YES is doing is introduced a device (MiFi) to convert WiMAX to WiFi so that smartphone (with WiFi support) can connect and online using WiFi.

If your existing phone doesn't support WiFi, you won't able to connect to the MiFi device.

Another way is to throw away your 3G phone and get the YES BUZZ phone then you don't need to carry the MiFi device with your 3G phone.

Hard to expect other people to open a business to lose money so that it can fulfill our desire.

There are two ways:
1. Find way to get rich to fulfill our desire
2. Suppress our desire

Really? Why not?

I interested on the coverage. Where can i check coverage map?

Yea found on google. .. slow like hell.
What's the difference between brown, dark brown, light brown?

The reason why the operator like Digi/U/P1 doesn't want to provide broadband to Malacca is not because the operators don't want to but it's because Malacca government makes it difficult to.

The only way to get in is either pay expensive price to government for approval or you pay under the table. Malacca is quite famous in the telco industry for difficult to deploy network. Even KL is cheaper than in Malacca.