I want to ask opinion, between Kawasaki ER-6F, Naza Blade 650R, which one the best?

and in price range RM35K, what type of superbike i can get beside Kawasaki ER-6F and Naza Blade 650R?

Help me choose...

ZX7R P2?

You can get a second hand unit one with the budget you mention...

go for kawasaki,better looking and better build quality

by the way, you may want to change the title

those bikes you mentioned are NOT superbikes

definitely not a blade. go for ER6-F. and yes those are not superbikes.

my vote:

Er6F

Riding one now.



The Blade V engine sounds nice....but thats all lah.

topup 10k buy z750 secondhand

first of all, are you looking for new or second hand bike?
if you nvr ride such sport bike before, better start with smaller cc.
like me, i start with 250cc..

650cc is consider superbike.. no?

This post has been edited by yehlai: Oct 26 2010, 01:47 PM

yeah? Not superbike? Then, sorry...im beginner for this bike things. Hehe. Er-6f, i already consider to buy er-6f, before i see naza blade, that much more cheaper, and bigger than er-6f. How is the fuel cosumption for er-6f? Is it bad?

Even those 1000cc bike are not superbike..only Malaysian call them superbike..for Europeans/American its still a sportsbike..

If you can afford the er6n/f, dont think about the Blade. I love the v-twin sound, and thats it. Top speed is around 180. Cornering stability is awful (at least its correct for the 1st model that I test whack..which come with tuned suspension and stickier Pirellis)

Anyway, if you like the Blade design maybe you should go for the ER6n

Ouh, i c. Humm, i like blade design bcoz it is bigger. I think er6f is quite smaller. Is it worth to buy er-6f for 35k? Or should i go usha2 other bike in that price range..

I dont think you can get any new bike on that price range other then er6n/f or the Blade 650n/f

If you dont mind older bike...er..the CBX750 family is a very good and reliable bike.

But better get new...

Or if you really dont mind, 1000cc bike from Singapore cost around that

An older model of K1 or K2?
Price is also around 30k++
Blade har?
Well. there 's one EFI 250R Blade released on the market but as for the 650r no news yet.
I have many bladers friend.
Yes, QUALITY is the weakness of this bike.
Altho speed and performance is mild.
Good torque tho , when u ride to genting. Gear 3 is enuf for you to pull up.
Top speed 'said 160-170kmh but recommend to go 140-150kmh coz the pistons and valve are not durable.
Only good thing bout the blade is when ur at a car park.
Equiped with a yoshi.
You dominate the car park.
hehe..
Just my 2 cents.

lol so mean, later bladers come & bash u only u know

sadly, thats the truth. back then when i`m going to buy the zx, i`m thinking about the 250. (newly launched back then) but choose the zx. then get to test ride the 650 (tuned suspension + stickier tyre) it really does not impress me.

But i am thinking about buying it, as i`m a v-twin fan. either a Blade 650 or buy back a XV535.

test drive the er6n, its a good bike, but the sound

Err....ok. Whats a superbike then?

something which is not common ppl can afford, or too powerful to handle... that defines SUPER(bike).

liter bike is an average class, 600 is consider entry level at europe/state.
1300-1600cc is something u see on their road everyday.

in msia.....any bike that is not kapchai or 150cc above = WOW! superbike!

1300-1600cc bikes are everywhere?

Some ppl say ZX10R or CBR1000RR already too powerful.....but they're not superbikes according to you guys.

Can name a few superbikes?

Ouh, i c. Humm, i like blade design bcoz it is bigger. I think er6f is quite smaller. Is it worth to buy er-6f for 35k? Or should i go usha2 other bike in that price range..

For them its only applicable to race bike. Not those on the road..for those westerners la kan
But for the fact : Its usually :

<150cc underbone : kapcai
150cc-400cc : sportsbike
400-750 : supersport
750-1000> : superbike

That is why race are always put in those categories, best example : WSBK

World Superbike Series

for our own Malaysian Super Series, there is Supersports and Superbike categories. And production bike (underbone...RXZ..Panther..)

Those Vulcan 2000 or GoldWing...are not superbike even the cc are double the superbike cc

Ouh, i c. Humm, i like blade design bcoz it is bigger. I think er6f is quite smaller. Is it worth to buy er-6f for 35k? Or should i go usha2 other bike in that price range..

I see. Understand liao!

adoii..using phone make my post rsubmit so mny times. Sori2...hehe. So, i went to ban zen motor. I usha this er-6f. Thre only two color available, green n white. Why there is no black color...?

both liter bikes that u mentioned are road legal race bike. under the bones, they are developed for the track & not for the road. one could hardly go above 4th gear on our traffic condition in KL so they r not meant for practical commute.

in msia , no doubt they are superbikes.
in 1st world countries, they are sportsbikes.

zx10r is rm90k-100k IICR, but in HK, it cost only rm50k+, the authorize dealer also throw in freebies like akrapovic slip-on which cost 2k+.
so to them these "superbikes" are not as special or as "super" as in msia.

1300-1600 are mostly chopper/cruiser/touring class. like honda ST, BMWs, Voyager, HD, etc. other than those, some busa & zx14 too.

better get z750..more powarrr...haha ..

I prefer to take any as long as within the budget.

can modify muffler to make it sound like superbike

This post has been edited by soundsyst64: Oct 26 2010, 07:30 PM

take er6f la.a lot of people said blade got too many problem+ hard to get spare parts.dont know true or not.

ok......what bikes are considered "superbikes" in 1st world countries?

lets see how they define superbike.

this is a US site, pls look at the tabs on top where the categories are listed out in a row:

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/

so what do u think now?

I guess there's no such thing as 'superbikes' in the US.

yup, pretty much so.

the bike we call "super" are actually their sport bike.

This post has been edited by yamato: Oct 26 2010, 09:12 PM

↲Unless they dont even supercars (F40, CGT) "supercars"

dont get it wrong, superbike class does exist.
not all sportbikes are super, but all superbikes are actually sport.

simply put, only SBK class are considered superbike.


porsche boxster is a sportcar
F40 is a supercar
Carerra GT is a hypercar.

This post has been edited by yamato: Oct 26 2010, 09:25 PM

Guys i am planning to get a bike for cruising to work as well, ive been looking for 250cc bilkes, anything below 16k.

Naza Blade,
ORION KTM 250cc
DEMAK Cougar 250cc
DEMAX DMX - R
SYM GTS200

any other?

Yeah the Blade does have a bigger fuel tank.. ER6 are small which make it nimbler and lighter compared to the Blade. Yes its worth it. But for me I`ll go for the naked ER6.

Yep like I said, its the way we think. Westeners call them sportsbike, we call em superbike.
But to make it easy, lets look at the local scene

MSS have two categories, Superbike and Sportbike. Superbike for litre bike, Sportsbike for 600cc range bike, even the Duc 748 we raced as a Sportsbike.


It cost a lot more bro, maybe if Kawa Malaysia decide to CKD it here..


Nop you cant Its still a inline two engine. I`ve heard those modded ER6 sound more like a cubprix underbone to me

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Added on October 26, 2010, 11:18 pmIf you are going to use it as a relax cruiser, not really a speed demon :

I`ll say go for the Sym Evo250, the new one should cost around your budget I think.

Dont ever get the Blade 250. At least the 650.
ORION KTM...
Demak (both demak)

I see you also thinking about a DP bike...but its not really comfortable for highway cruising..

Why not find a good condition XV535?

This post has been edited by EyraYus: Oct 26 2010, 11:18 PM

What is wrong with blade ? spareparts price or availability ? performance? What about the new EFI model.
Just curious cause i'm planning to get one..

Im going to a blader soon. Maybe la.
Coz rite now im choosing the best 250 bikes.
My budget also below 20k.
Was looking on the zx2r but the problems..
Haiz.. valves too small... Canot pecut that much.

problems with the blade vs ninja 250r
spare parts:
is not common compared to ninja
quality:
is not as good as ninja

Like ben_panced said..

I know one Blade 250 owner who have plenty of problem with his bike.. and sparepart are harder to get.. better get the 650 if u want the Blade..

20K...how much is a Ninja 250 anyway?

new one is 22k ...
second hand 15k for 08 model but if you're lucky you can get 09 model around that price oso
coz many ninja owner became bored with their bike and upgrade to bigger cc bikes

Lol!

Superbike definitions:

Types (or design style) of superbikes:

a.) Sportsbike (track bike)- refers to aero-dynamic racing style design. Top-speed bike. Can be use for track.
b.) Cruisers (choppers as in US term) - easy rider cruisers with low-seating and so on. Not a top-speed bike but plenty of low/medium torque! - HD bikes, Vulcan 900, etc.
c.) Moto-cross - All terrain sbk motocycles. Low torque, excellent control on all terrain surfaces. - CBX450, KTM690,etc.
d.) Tour - Durable sbk motocycles. Long-distance touring bike - ST1300, Vulcan 2000
e.) Naked/Street - Street/road sbk. Medium torque bike - ER6n/f, Shiver750, etc.

For Racing type of SBK, additional info:
1. 250cc to 599cc - Sportsbike. Ie, 250r, cbr400(rr), blade 250r,etc.
2. 600cc and above - Supersport. Ie, R6, CBR600, ZX6, etc
3. 1000cc - (Supersport as well) Litre bike - K9, R1, ZX-10, Duc 1098, etc.

Yeah, but haven confirm with the new model.
I really dislike the ninja.
21k OTR now.
EFI version of ninja has less hp from the carb.
Currently no news or release for the 650EFI blade.

Fi has more ponies than carb, but not by much.
theoretically Fi has better fuel mapping which leads to better combustion = higher output, better FC & cleaner exhaust than carby.

taken from kawasaki malaysia official site:
Carb - Maximum power 23.4 kW @ 11,000 rpm
Fi - Maximum power 24.0 kW @ 11,000 rpm

been told by sales agent that carby top at 170km/h while Fi can reach 200km/h.
not sure if it is true, waiting for ninja owners to confirm this after they break-in their Fi ninjas.

Thanks bro for your recommendation... DP bike = to what? lol i dont have a motor license yet gonna get one real soon but gonna buy a bike when i have my L. last time my L license expired i never bothered to renew.

Sym Evo i've though of it but getting the 250 might as well i get the gts200 right? its like 10k saving. i went to see the naza blade.. and demak... to be honest it is really a turn down...

thanks for your recommendation bro. saw the xv535 quite nice, but is there newer bike of those range? well i dont mind to take a lil loan, i thought of getting those below 15k coz i can pay by cash but if there is better bikes, i would not mind taking a loan... but maybe not much bout 10k or so.

owh..DP is a Dual Purpose bike..those Demak and KTM u posted are DP..

Anyway dont bother looking at the Demak Yep its 10K saving comparing the 250 vs 200 but u get better technology and revised version, any problem on the 200 should be fixed in the 250, it look better too.

XV535 is old No more new bike though. Newer easy rider still cost a lot. Used to own the XV535. Just make sure u are buying a good conditioned unit, or the spare part price might be a problem. If everything in good condition, its bullet proof

Well if you can take up around 10K loan..look for 2nd hand ER6n.

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Added on October 27, 2010, 9:46 pmSeriously, where did you get your definitions? Never heard this kind of definitions..

Anyway..still up to one person opinion..

But go tell a hardcore Harley rider that he is riding a superbike..

Its like...saying a Hummer is a supercar...well...it is a all terrain supercar right?

This post has been edited by EyraYus: Oct 27 2010, 09:46 PM

when i was in US, UK and Paris, I do not see 1300-1600cc bikes on road everyday also. exaggerated...
800cc-1.2k cc bike got a lot la, but above that, doubt so..

Naza Blade 250R user here
Blade not that bad lah...but i have to agree on the parts..very hard to find...the price at Naza is ridiculous...
Cheap beginner bike...mine already 25k++ km and still going strong...ridden every single day from march 2010...until now still don't have any major problem, only the fuel meter gone crazy edy..
i choose Blade because it is bigger than Ninja, FC is better too and the v-twin sound damn nice..and most importantly because it's cheaper
other than those factor i would pick the Ninja though

Im also interested in Blade. Well how hard it is to find the spareparts. Is it expensive than 250r. BTW whats the difference in maitenance between the blade 250 VS Ninja 250 and blade 650 VS er6n. I know that the 250 is incomparable with the other two. Thanx

It's hard to find if you live outside Klang Valley. Not many shop carry Blade sparepart. And aftermarket part is not that much too. Well since I've never changed anything major so these are the only original part prices that i know

i) Engine Oil- Depends on brand..I'm using Agip 10w40, RM35/bottle. Blade use 2 bottle (1.5 liter only actually)
ii) Oil filter-RM12
iii) Clutch lever-RM40
iv)Side mirror-RM410 for both (crazy naza!)
v) Brake Pad-RM50/piece..Blade use 3 piece, 2 front 1 rear
vi)Front mudguard-RM99

So far I'm doing regular maintenance only, change EO+oil filter, 10k km changed spark plug, 20k km changed air filter.. Every time service around RM85..
Cost of maintenance for Blade 650 and ER6n will be higher of course

superbike
nuff post

This post has been edited by KenDiriwan: Oct 28 2010, 02:07 AM

What about Penang area ?

naza bikes
my fren had bad experience with them
especially aftersales service.lousy parts, bad customer service etc.sorry noting much to mention here. he ends up sell off his blade and ride kriss himself.

to consider bike, dont just think of bike specs etc only.look further bro.ask all sifoos here (malaysianbikers) and they will help u.

What about the quality of the bike itself, especially the engine ?

Quality is so-so lah, but it does not mean it's bad. I still haven't encounter any case of the parts/bikes break by itself Got people using the bike from the 1st model and the odometer already turns 00000 back also still going strong until now. I never reach redline until now lol I'm not a speed junkie btw. I'm using the bike as daily commuter and casually riding up to Genting and Bukit Tinggi on weekends.

yeah the after sales service is quite bad, and the staff also not very friendly at first. but now i've seen that they start to improve. I went to their service centre only when i want to claim insurance only during warranty so not really an issue for me but i got some friends who got into and accident and they still haven't got their bike yet till now because there's no part. pity them.

oh and for Penang I'm not really sure, didn't have any Penang friend's though

wow...so many response already. haha, thanks guys. i think when talked about bikes, we will never stop talking.

i think i come to decision, to buy kawasaki 250r. well, it cheaper, and suits me as a beginner. some blog says dat, kawasaki 250r got really easy handling. but i still say, if not because of weird shape of front lamp of blade, and very hard to find spare part, i would choose naza blade, because its sound, its shape, very closed to what we define as a superbike in Malaysia. hehe

i hope in the future, i can buy a big bike.....hope not before my age is 40, hehe.

Adiez, Second hand or new ?

when you have bought the bike please remember to change the tyres to bt016 for front and rear for maximum grip

just make sure the grip of your money in your wallet is maximum too

hahah good tyres always cost good money liao

ya loh...good things doesn't come cheap..
to TS, don't forget also to change the exhaust to Yoshimura/Akrapovic/Two Brothers no more mesin jahit sound

Btw i need to know the blade 's redline limit.
Like for instance. We cant pump blade 's engine limit to what level?
Like for the final gear before reaching redline how mch is the speed?
Im a heavy rider myself but dont have enuf cash to for a 600.
I owaz pump my fz150 to 150-160kmh.
EVERYDAY.
minimum 140.

buuuut your fz speedo and blade or ninja meter arent comparable because bigger bikes speedo is always heavier if you get what i mean

Lol i do the same also...but minimum for me 130 on my speedo...usually 140-150 only...165km/h on final gear is at 10,500 rpm, where the redline should start.
Blade redline is 13,000 rpm. I'm not sure about the engine limit but i never push my bike beyond redline..

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Added on October 28, 2010, 10:51 amI quite agree with this..when i'm riding at 150 still it doesn't feel like 150 when i'm driving my car

This post has been edited by kapalterbang_737: Oct 28 2010, 10:51 AM

i ride 250 blade from bkt raja tol to duta tol 160 all the way, the engine feel like tercabut...then coming back time, maintain around 130 i would say it's safe....but if u wana take 160, oso can, make sure it's not ur bike...ahahaha..in this case, it's not my bike .belasah 160 lar.. ahahaha

Yes.. i tried to compare with my frens kawa before.. i ride 160kmh++ hes kawa only 130-140kmh..

150kmh is 10krpm for me before reaching redline..
So Blade is not as fast as the ninja?
Hmm.. i think 160kmh on a blade is like 180-190kmh on mine rite?
Shud be fast enuf.. haha..
Getting a EFI Blade sooon!!

heard and read that blade sucks coz of its low quality built and naza aftersale service sucks. was considering blade coz its inexpensive and good looking but after knowing about the quality and naza service, i changned my mind. now im getting the kawasaki ninjaaaa for its trusted brand.

Kawasaki dealers at Welly all Lan ci ppl.
The agents there only serve rich ppl.
If they see you wear shorts and sandals.
Confirm they wont layan..
Pftt...

I'm not too sure which has more power....but FI is excellent in throttle control/response.

throttle control/response is NOT equal to power/torque. If u have a powerful bike, throttle response makes hellotof difference! otherwise, (in case of 250r) i dun c any difference. Maintenance is a separate issue...

new one of coz, anyway, my earlier budget was to buy er-6f, so this kawasaki 250r is more cheaper.

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Added on October 28, 2010, 12:49 pmhaha, i think afta i buy the bikes, will open new thread. HOw to Modify kawasaki 250R. hehehe. Btw, how can i get the superbike sound. i means better sound, wat type of eksos i need to buy?

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Added on October 28, 2010, 12:52 pmwoo...dat wat i need to hear.the first thing i wan to change, the mesin jahet sound. haha, thanks,

This post has been edited by adiez87: Oct 28 2010, 12:52 PM

cheapest exhaust is ahm one.. the looks is nice and the price is too..
last time i checked it cost about rm1.2k for the full system

the cheapest exhaust still the expensive meh. afta buy, might be using default for a long time, before i can modify this thing. btw, do u know about the gadgets. i means the best helmet, the jacket....etc.

Still cant change the sound much actually..for me those 250R and ER6 that change to aftermarket exhaust sound more like a cub prix bike

The best safety gear depends on urself. You like what kind of helmet? Open face? Full face? Lightweight? Heavy? There is plenty of choice, and choose wisely

I used to wear a Caberg Rhyno for trip, open face Index helmet for work, and AGV for race.

All sold plus that Index stolen at Pertama complex

This post has been edited by EyraYus: Oct 28 2010, 02:02 PM

The best sound for 250 so far (for me lah) still ZXR250. Thinking about buying one. Now still love my XV250..

that's the old price la.. i dunno nao maybe the price is a bit cheaper..
but if you're on a budget just buy slip ons..
ahm slip on should sells around 400 500

yeah, actually im a little disappointed with er-6f. have a big cc, but somehow small, and sound like kapcai. good price though. i think i go for full face helmet.

Bro u will always have to remember.
2 cylinders will nvr sound like 4 cyclinders.
No matter what exhaust u pump in.
It will still sound like a 2 cylinder.
Luckily for blade sounds similiar to ducati with a yoshi slip..
WOOT!!

i beg to differ er6 sounds quite bassy.. kapcai on the other hand lack bass for its exhaust note

i think blade or er6 bike sounds not so nice even u change exhaust lar..dont waste money...er6 sounds like vn500 ...ahahaha...i saw 1 new ninja250 change the exhaust under the seat...maybe you should do tat...but i still think the old zx2 sounds better esp. if u stuff more cotton inside...

not cotton la, but fibre

any bike ride by superman, that is superbike.

+9999
For those rempits out there.
Doing the superman stunt.
Is RIDING a SUPERBIKE.

Big cc but its a inline two engine.. same like Vulcan 500... sound not so "big"


Lol, make me remember one thing. There is once upon a time..during Bukit Tinggi session..our group have this Lagenda modded till sound like a cub prix bike.

On the way down, there is a mishap...I think riders should remember this one...a Dr (wont mention name tq) crash his bike, straight into the hill at roadside, upon investigation, they are trying to out run this Lagenda...and at first they think its a Ducati Monster because its so quick and soooo loud

If you ever been to the Hill, you should know how a loud muffler sound like there Scary.

i've gone through this before liking both bikes but after lots of reading..
i have to say blade have my vote..it's cheap u can get it new for 250 but 650 gotta get 2nd...
parts of blade people comment on its hard n all but actually they share a lot of parts with many other bikes and mostly suzuki..
if ur in KL u can find the mech those bladers group ussually goes to..
if ur looking for good FC blade 250 suprisingly has an amazing FC..i wonder with the new EFI i think it should be much better
if u guys looking for more info on blade try have a look at the malaysian bikers community forum there is a thread for bladers community..lots of info there...

So blade is ok la? I'm planning to bought it.Maybe new or secondhand. For secondhand, any suggestion what year is ok ?

Oh yeah...the Suzuki...the Naza is based on Hyosung bike which is based on the Suzzy bike..

Really, go for the 650 not the 250. I might get a Blade just for the sound

don't buy the first 2 years of the carb...it was not that good..later version is better

yeah..
i want a 650 too but kinda wanna wait if they wanna bring in the EFI or not..
the carb one finish already..gotta buy 2nd if ur looking for one..
btw here's a link to some comment about the bike by the current owners n about some price of the parts regarding about maintenance..
FAQ
really2 hoping for 650EFI....btw the current price for the 250 is damn cheap compared to when it first came out years ago..

If u want 250R i want to let go mine
some said better take the facelifted version, lol not actually facelift only change new color, which is 2008 and above.
My personal FC on Blade 250R is full tank around RM30 (17 liter capacity) RON95 can get 402.2km...after that my bike die on the road side
Speed between 130-140km/h..

Maybe can consider, how much ?
location ?
Plate number ?
mileage ?
modification done ?
Some pics ...
Price ....

Thanx....

u want to upgrade ke?..

Oo.
How mch letting go?

Location-PJ, Selangor
Plate number - Pxx 412 (bought second hand from friend in Penang)
Mileage - 24,100 km
Modification done - Front signal RXZ, custom exhaust, running light, Michelin Pilot Road 2 front and rear.
Some pics - This 1 last month pic, I don't take the bike pictures much



Price - RM 12k only




RM12k only