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post Oct 26 2010, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Oct 26 2010, 06:03 PM)
What I meant was I don't know of anyone selling it in Malaysia.
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Nope. Have to order from overseas and pay for shipment. But if the total cost is lower or about the same as buying something locally, why not ?

Malaysia market kinda sucks, so we have to import overseas to get the good stuff :/


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post Oct 26 2010, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(Devilene @ Oct 26 2010, 06:41 PM)
i want to try brown, blue and black switches before making any purchases regarding mech boards. biggrin.gif
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Mr interface from Geekhacks is building a switch board that has many different switches on it.

It's for people to test which switch they prefer. All you have to do is pay for shipping to the next person doh.gif


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post Oct 26 2010, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(jasmineivan @ Oct 26 2010, 07:18 PM)
i will appreciate if a new mechanical keyboard that different area of the keyboard having the switches with different actuation force..example..normal letter "fghjkl;'rtyuiop" with 45g for excellent typist purpose
wasd with 60g for fps purpose..this type of keyboard will be so damn nice


Added on October 26, 2010, 7:18 pmand it must be mx black for me..don wan any click there..just with lesser force when typing then is perfect
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The ducky 9008 brown i have are all brown cherry switches EXCEPT the spacebar that uses black cherry.

Some people think that for spacebar, cherry clears and cherry blues are better. And cherry black worse.

However it doesn't really bother me much doh.gif


Besides that, i have also heard of some kbs where the numpad keys uses one type of switches, and the rest of the keyboard uses another.


But i doubt any kbs have mix switches for those specific keys you mentioned. That sort of thing you have to customize yourself i am afraid :/

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post Oct 27 2010, 01:49 AM

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By the way if anyone wants to do a Filco Majestouch NKRO (blue or brown only) MO, i know who you should ask about this doh.gif

Just let me know and i can forward you to the respective contact. The price would be roughly same as the Ducky 9008 should you import to Malaysia.

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post Oct 27 2010, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(jasmineivan @ Oct 27 2010, 03:46 PM)
i think he means he will direct any 1 who buy to the seller..not means himself will buy for you or bulking
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Correct.

Diatec sells these Filcos. The closest distributor for it is the SG distributor doh.gif

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post Oct 27 2010, 08:18 PM

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You could try ask Diatec directly. It's a Japanese company.

http://www.diatec.co.jp/en/list.php?cate_c=1



And this is their distributor page
http://www.diatec.co.jp/en/aboutus.php#DI



I also wondered as much so i popped down an email to Diatec if they would do something like a 1 off 10 person MO. No reply so far doh.gif



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post Oct 28 2010, 12:39 AM

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Beautiful keyboard. Hm blueish leds hm :}

Compressed cans of air isn't environmentally good, also can be dangerous if used incorrectly.

I think something like a mini blower like this is more economical although not as strong as cans of compressed air.

http://www.shophsg.com/turboair.html

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QUOTE(storm88 @ Oct 28 2010, 04:44 PM)
Okay
It's a confirm that Filco will ashore Malaysia in around 2 weeks time
stay tune for incoming filco review soon
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How many did you order ? How much biggrin.gif


By the way Ztec from Vrzone forum was kind enough to take some high quality pictures comparing the Filco Majestouch and the Ducky 9008 keyboards.


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Notice how the Filco plastic frame looks much thicker. This is one thing i feel that the Filco is much better as looks more sturdier, and impressive.


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The top is the Ducky, the bottom is the Filco. Also in the screenshot is a Filco palm rest which fits the entire length of the keyboard.



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Filco 87 (tenkeyless) keys with Blue cherry switches is the top one in this screenshot.



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All 3 keyboards in one picture

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post Oct 28 2010, 07:35 PM

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If you inhale compressed air from the can in an unventilated room it is harmful to you. Someone even claim you could die. Not sure if they were exaggerating.

Can lasts for a couple of months until you need to buy another. So the costs keep adding since you need to replace.

turning it upside down isn't a good idea. Need to aim upward doh.gif

Anyway this is what i read from online doh.gif So it's worth double checking this on google just to be sure how to handle compressed cans of air.


PS: i got back a reply from Diatec. They confirmed that they don't have any Malaysian distributors, however they are willing to ship directly to Malaysia if you order from them directly. I'm trying to figure out how many units they will sell, how much per unit, and shipping costs involved.

Shipping costs borne by the buyer obviously. The currency to pay is in Yen denomination. They don't do bulk (still clarifying on this).

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post Oct 28 2010, 11:28 PM

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Actually buying from Diatec directly may be cheaper. So i am still pending a price quote from them doh.gif


Filco Tenkeyless Otaku is nice. but for me i need those numpad keys doh.gif mostly for gaming. Also i have experience that typing numbers with those keys is much more convenient.

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Below are a list of keyboard companies that send their specs to Costar Electronics an OEM Taiwanese company to manufacture them. So basically their all done by the same manufacturer but with different specs.

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Costar Electronics Inc, was established in 1987. Costar Electronics has concentrated mostly on ODM Business which includes a series of Products, like Keyboards as well as Keypads with high quality and now Costar further becomes the most competitive OEM / ODM Business maker which has an increasing market share for PC’s, Industrial & Medical Keyboards and P.O.S in the whole world.






Diatec (A Japanese company) = Filco Majestouch
I spoke to a Japanese representative from Diatec via mail enquiring about buying directly from them. They were very professional courteous, and surprisingly communicated with excellent mastery of English in their email correspondence.

Ducky Channel (Some Taiwanese company that caters to KBC a Chinese keyboard enthusiast forum) = Ducky 9000, 9008, 1087, 1008

Metadot Corporation (Austin, Texas, USA company) = DAS

Steelseries (A Dannish company) = Steelseries 6gv2, 7G


PS: For some reason, Ducky Channels website also lists DAS keyboards. I am unsure what their relation is to Metadot Corporation who owns the DAS franchise.

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QUOTE(xcen @ Oct 29 2010, 01:45 AM)
The Ducky Keyboard Laser-etched version is it black letters or filled with white paint?
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Not sure.



QUOTE(darkskies @ Oct 29 2010, 01:52 AM)
how much is the price range for filco black cherries 0.0?
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Pending price quote...



DataVac ED500 Electric Duster
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:12382

This is probably the best option for cleaning your keyboard and pc. Cheaper and better than can of compressed air in the long run.



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The difference between OEM and ODM

An OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) is a company that designs and builds a product based on their own specification, and then sells it to another company for branding and distribution. In the computer business, the term OEM is used mostly as a verb (rather than as a noun or adjective). When one company "OEMs" another company's product, it buys a complete, already designed and manufactured product (the "original equipment") from another company (the OEM). Most of the time the purchaser asks the seller to change only the name and possibly the color of the product, and nothing else. For example, Intermec OEMs the 6651 (convertible) CE Tablet from Sharp; Sharp sells the identical product as the Sharp HC-7000. Only the name and model number are different.

An ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) is a company that designs and builds a product based on another company's specification. For example, a computer company such as HP or Compaq may write a spec on a new notebook that they want to bring to market. They specify all of the external details of the product such as screen size and technology, I/O ports, keyboard pitch and travel, case shape and color, speaker location, etc. They also typically specify some of the major internal details of the product such as the CPU and video controller. But they don't design the schematic, specify the type of switching transistors used in the power supply, or select the backlight inverter frequency. That's the ODM's job. The ODM takes the computer company's specification and designs and builds the notebook. Sometimes the ODM does so based on an existing prototype product that was built to attract business. The result is typically a more cooperative/joint effort than in the OEM situation, where the purchaser has little or no control over any of the product specs. Is the new notebook HP's or Compaq's product, or is really the ODM's product? It's HP's or Compaq's product, because they specified the things that matter to the user, the things that the user touches and interacts with every day, the things that affect the "form, fit and function."

In order to attract customers (marketing and distribution companies), ODM companies typically build prototype products that demonstrate their mastery of a particular technology or product type. These prototypes are often displayed on the ODM's website just as if they were "real" products, ready for sale to a consumer or other individual buyer. For an example, look at the AquaPAD on FIC's website.

It can be difficult to determine if a company is an ODM just by looking at the products on their website. One clue is if there is no "How to Purchase" information on the website. Sometimes the "Contact Us" page will include "OEM/ODM" buried in some text. Sometimes you can read between the lines and understand that the vendor has no marketing or distribution capability. For example, the E-Labs website states that "Overall, the division can be classified as a research and development organization". From this statement it's clear that they're selling their product as an ODM and the product shown on the website is just a prototype.




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post Oct 29 2010, 07:40 PM

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@storm88

Is this your company ?

http://www.seasonic.com/co/index.jsp


Are you saying they are going to be the official Malaysian distributor for Filco Majestouch mechanical keyboards biggrin.gif ?

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post Oct 31 2010, 04:05 PM

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Not really.

Only the stabilizer keys like Shift, caps, enter and spacebar. But even then it's not that hard, just tricky.

Use a keycap puller. Pull it up a bit (not all the way off) until the switch is off. Then gently use tweezers, and pull on one side of the metal hook to unhook it. Bend it just enough to unhook doh.gif don't worry the metal thingy is flexible enough to take some slight bending. Then repeat on the other side. Then you can fully pull the keycap off.

To install a new keycap, take out the white mounting thingys underneath the cap, put it on the new key cap. Then hook the metal hooks onto the keycap. On one side use a tweezer to bend it a bit to get it to hook. Then press down all the way to place it firmly :}


By the way i am swapping from Mo2 to Mo3.

I'm getting this

Laser-Etched PBT Keycaps & leather wrist rest special bundle²
— $225 (Friends of Ducky price: $210)


And separately Signature Plastics 104 Doubleshot keycaps + surprise item.


So i'm going to experiment on the layout by first replacing the alphabet with the double shots ABS keycaps, and leave the rest as laser etched pbt keycaps and see how that works out :]




Anyway for those who must have led lighting, there is always the IOne Xarmor U9BL. IOne is the same company who produces Razer's Black Widow Ultimate keyboards. Besides Cherry and Costar who are the biggest OEM for keyboard manufacturing, there is also IOne. Anyway here is the review.

http://hardwareaware.com/review/xarmor-u9bl/




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If you need a macro mechanical keyboard there is also the Cherry G80-8200LPDUS

http://hardwareaware.com/review/62/


It also has very interesting keycaps. It has individual plastic cover tops for the keys doh.gif guess to prevent wear on the lettering perhaps ?




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Wait, what? A hundred and thirty dollars for a keyboard? Yes, and for good reason.

Most of you are probably used to the cheap keyboards that came with your computer or that you got from a retailer for under $20. Or perhaps you’re a gamer and own an LED-backlit keyboard from a brand like Logitech or Razer. You might have heard of mechanical keyboards and dismissed them as a fad or a waste of money. Why would anyone spend that much on a keyboard? Are people crazy?

Aren’t we all? Mechanical keyboards aren’t just a fad, they’re one of the few instances where cheap, cost-saving tech is loosing ground against more expensive, but notably higher quality tech. In one poll I ran in June (Found here), 45% of people who tried a mechanical keyboard would recommend it to anyone, and 47% would recommend one in most cases. Only about 8% thought it wasn’t worth it. Those are impressive numbers, and I think they show that one should at least try a mechanical keyboard before making up their mind against them.




My keyboard is gonna look something like the Filco anti otaku doubleshot but sorta better wub.gif

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6924




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Ducky 10 keyless clones gasp biggrin.gif

One is a Japanese company, and the other is Korean.

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http://www.archisite.co.jp/archiss_as-kb87.htm


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http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1279677553


Looks to me like Costar manufactured them.

1. uses cherry stabilizers
2. led lighting looks exactly like the dk-9008
3. mini usb input


PS: i think that the Korean clone looks much better than the japanese and the Ducky 10 keyless. Look at the key extras biggrin.gif and the logo looks nice.


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QUOTE(jasmineivan @ Oct 31 2010, 11:40 PM)
those key caps is cute
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post Nov 3 2010, 05:55 PM

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Ordering any Filco NKRO by the way ??

Trust me, gamers would prefer the NKRO variant :]

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Well 6kRO via usb is 6 simultaneous key registers.

O2Jam requires 7 o_O;

So after spending that money on a nice keyboard, you discover 1 more key cannot register. So O2Jam won't be so good with such a keyboard.

Your gonna need NKRO for that doh.gif



Filco does have a armrest. it's a separate leather palm rest which they sell.

It's bound to be more comfortable than the plastic palm rest fitted onto the steelseries :/

My Ducky keyboard i am getting has a palm rest similar like the Filcos.


Anyway Filco, and Ducky NKROs only work when you use usb to ps2 adapter. So your keyboard will connect to your pc via PS2. If your motherboard has no PS2 interface, then your out of luck even if your keyboard supports it.


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post Nov 4 2010, 04:13 AM

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Did i mention my keyboard order got pushed back to December ???

:{ longer wait.

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