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post Feb 13 2011, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 13 2011, 01:36 PM)
Very much agreed with this. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(xDarkKnightx @ Feb 13 2011, 01:43 PM)
Would typing with a mechanical keyboard improve my wpm? hmm.gif I'm using a normal Logiech keyboard. I average around 75-85. I got around 100 once in a typing comp. Is that due to the keyboard used in the competition being a mechanical one?
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Definitely. Mechanical keyboards aren't mushy like rubber domes, so it's smoother to actuate. I would think the ligher spring cherry mx switches like red, brown and blue are better for wpm, compared to say black, but that is just my opinion (keep in mind that i've only tested in person cherry mx browns and black so far).

Of course if you want nice wpm, it also depends on how well you type. I'm still practising using the Typing Master Pro software for the Qwerty layout to help improve my WPM.

Colemak is said to be the best for ease/faster typing, but it's a pain getting a colemak kit doh.gif unless you don't mind supplementing with blank key caps.


PS: the mechanical keyboard club has 51,609 views and 89 pages vs the gaming keyboard club which has 40,188 views and 69 pages. Mech > rubberdome club flex.gif

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post Feb 13 2011, 06:45 PM

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Yes it fits.

But keep in mind if u replace the Ducky led windowed keycap, with non windowed keycaps, you won't be able to see if e.g. scroll lock, capslock, num lock is enabled.

I've just ordered some Cherry led windowed keys, so i will take some pictures once i get them to show you what it looks like. I'm going to use for Ducky G2 which is basically same aesthetically on the outside as your model.

I know where you can get replacement led windowed Cherry Corp style keycaps (but it's beige/white so it won't be matching with your black key caps). Let me know if you want to know the link where to buy hmm.gif

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post Feb 13 2011, 11:37 PM

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KBC China forum sell colored pbt lasered keys. Not the full set, meaning only for alphabets, or function row only usually.

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post Feb 13 2011, 11:56 PM

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ducky sells caps separately as an option.

They sell full sets, not partial. So if you want those keys, you need to pay for the full key set.


I didn't hear much good reviews about the black on black keycaps. I believe it's black pad printing on top of black keycaps.

The engraved keys without infills on the Ducky G2 however i heard received some positive reviews however.


Added on February 14, 2011, 8:10 amMalaysia already has Filco but pricey.

http://www.lelong.com.my/merchant/pcgamegear.htm


Even the Ducky i sold was cheaper by 100 compared to these Filco's and in my opinion is better.


Added on February 14, 2011, 8:49 amI think i found a local source selling the DIN5 female to DIn6 PS2 adapter if anybody needs it. Look at the 3 on the top left.

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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1592835&hl=


Added on February 14, 2011, 8:55 amWow RM250 for a black widow expert edition o.O; crazy price. Now there is definitely no excuse why you would pay the same price for rubber dome when got one selling for the same price but is mechanical.

Limitations

- 2kro
- no led lighting as that is reserved for the ultimate edition which is more expensive
- cherry mx blues tactile clicky switches.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1683991&hl=


Added on February 14, 2011, 10:29 amHere is a picture of my modified led windowed key i will use for my new Ducky G2 once it arrives.

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post Feb 14 2011, 06:11 PM

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Lew how much exactly are you willing to pay for better keycaps ?

Have you considered getting double shots ??


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Black Cherry corp double shots look like this close up
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This is the set i am going to use for my keyboard (also compatible with Filco)
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Buy here
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=14240


Patch kit to make the set above fully compatible for Filco can buy here
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=14698

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post Feb 14 2011, 10:34 PM

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Cherry mx red choices are between

Cherry G80-3494 and Leopold Cherry mx red.


Ducky has red, but it's mixed switches i believe. They haven't gotten around to a full cherry mx red board yet :/ not sure why.
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oh i never heard that about the 3494 :/ interesting, i'll keep note.

Do you have a link reference for that issue by the way ?



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post Feb 15 2011, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(thomadyeoh @ Feb 15 2011, 03:23 PM)
I just got the 5pin AT to PS/2 converter yesterday in LYP
Only in Cabletron network marketing for rm6
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QUOTE(thomadyeoh @ Feb 15 2011, 03:47 PM)
lot 3-IT-B, 3rd floor

keyboard is in my hometown so haven try out but think it'll works...
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Thx for the info notworthy.gif


Got any pictures ?


Do they have the din5 female to din6 PS/2 male with a metal encasing ??? The plastic encasing is fine, just wondered if they did though. Performance wise i think this one all perform the same. It's only when it comes to PS2 to USB adapter that they all don't perform the same especially when it comes to old vintage keyboards that have a high energy requirement.

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@thomadyeoh

At that shop did they also have a PS2 female to USB adapter like the blue cube ???



Blue cube usb/ps2 adapter has been proven to be well supported for 99% of keyboards especially vintage models.


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Nice they got the wired adapter for it.

For my keyboard i use the small solid adapter with the plastic encasing. My keyboard has a curly wire, the adapter need not have the longer extension biggrin.gif
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Breaking news

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I have some exciting news to share. As some of you know, the SideWinder X4 is unlike any other keyboard on the market. It features extreme anti-ghosting - basically 17KRO - at an unprecedented price point. This is made possible by a resistive multitouch technology developed by Microsoft's Applied Sciences Group. It allows the internal electronics to read any combination of keys, without the use of diodes, at high speed and with low power. This is a fundamental breakthrough in keyboard technology, and solves a long standing problem in the industry.

Not surprisingly, we have been receiving requests from other keyboard manufacturers to license the basic technology. Initially, we were hesitant to do this, wanting to keep this proprietary advantage to ourselves. However, we soon realized that this viewpoint was counterproductive. Game developers need to know that they can count on this capability before they make serious use of it. And as the makers of Windows, it is clearly in our interest to see a robust and evolving PC gaming market.

As such, we are creating a licensing program for our keyboard technologies. This will include both extreme anti-ghosting, as well as pressure sensitivity. Since our goal is to encourage wide adoption of these technologies, license costs will be purposefully modest.

I know that many of you are big fans of "mechanical" keyboards. This technology can be applied there to save some cost. However, a major benefit of this technology is that it works with inexpensive membrane-based keyboards, and adds minimal additional cost. My hope is that in a few years, virtually every desktop and laptop keyboard will have this technology.

The licensing program should be launching very soon. Stay tuned for the official announcement. In the meantime, I'd love to hear your thoughts!

Thanks!

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P.S. Full disclosure: In case it wasn't obvious, I work for Microsoft as a researcher in the Applied Sciences Group...

P.P.S. In case you're curious, I got special permission to post this here before the official announcement. I argued that this forum was filled with people that understand, and are passionate about keyboards and that you would get the significance of this...



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http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=15318


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Layman translation:

So what this means is, Microsoft is going to license their side winder keyboard technology to other keyboard manufacturers.

You may be asking, so whats the friggin deal.


Well here are some points

1. Microsoft's Side Winder keyboard has USB NKRO (well it's technically 17KRO but since you only have 10 fingers anyway, people won't be able to make any distinction between the 2)

2. their tech will be licensed very cheaply meaning other keyboard manufacturers are very likely to up take this tech.

3. cheap rubberdome keyboards may now have the means for 17kro + features with very little extra cost to get it. I still opt for mechanical keyboards, but most people want to first invest in other components such as CPU, graphics card, monitor etc before finally getting a fancy mechanical keyboard, so until then, a cheap rubberdome with Microsoft's side winder technology might be very good indeed for the meantime especially if you are a gamer

4. microsoft's side winder usb nkro has been proven to work both on PC and MAC as well. Other keyboard USB NKRO implementations such as Ducky G2 and Choc Mini both didn't work well on Apple MAC computers.

5. If the uptake for this technology reaches mechanical keyboard, it's good bye NKRO via USB to PS2 Adapters, and hello to USB NKRO nod.gif

6. This will make mechanical keyboards cheaper because they won't need SMD or DIP diodes to implement NKRO. They can just use Microsoft's tech to add the NKRO (17KRO) feature cheaply.


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QUOTE(BlueBerry~ @ Feb 17 2011, 08:28 PM)
Hmm. Prize winner of the Razer giveaway that I organized for GosuGamers dint claim his prize of the BlackWidow Ultimate. Now I have a free one at my place. lol.
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Added on February 17, 2011, 9:55 pmKBC forum posted some very interesting engraved white keycaps

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http://bbs.kbc-china.com/thread-4636-1-2.html

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post Feb 18 2011, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Feb 18 2011, 12:59 PM)
You think malaysia got the market? smile.gif
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post Feb 18 2011, 02:10 PM

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Best keycaps available for sale on ebay

Vintage Cherry Corp beige/white Dye Sublimated 101 keycaps
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cherry-G81-3077SAU-Dye...c#ht_770wt_1141



Double shots and dye sublimated keycaps are usually both neck in neck to be the best.

If your talking about contrast, i think double shots may win. But when it's dye sublimated black font on white/beige color, dye subs don't lose out on contrast.

Also what makes the dye sub better is that they can be used on PBT whereas Double shots are limited to ABS.

PBT won't shine or yellow like ABS. This is why very old abs keyboards look yellowish, but you hardly see the same problem with PBT keycaps for old keyboards.


Anyway i was fortunate to get a dye sublimated key set for myself at a very good price :} hehe.

Then i'm going to use a patch kit so the colors are all evenly matched.

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You can buy cherry mx switch only here

http://s.taobao.com/search?q=cherry+mx+%BF%AA%B9%D8



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not that i know of.

Only China Taobao nearby to us has it.
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Filco tenkeyless mx blue for sale o.O;

http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=154


Added on February 18, 2011, 11:15 pmDevlink blank keycaps. Very thick biggrin.gif

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Careful when removing spacebar.

If i am not mistaken it is hooked by a metal wire. If you wrench it out it will break.

Need to use tweezers or something and bend the hook to the side a bit to unhook before you can take it out.

Putting it back in is also a pain.


This is one of the main reasons i went for a Ducky keyboard nod.gif

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QUOTE(lucidlts @ Feb 19 2011, 12:59 PM)
uh, not really. it's just like 6GV2 spacebar with 3 + holes :S
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I thought it was something like Filco spacebar hmm.gif
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Oh thats the same sort of stabilizer used for Cherry Corp and Ducky keyboard. Yeah they are very durable and easy to install/remove keys :}


Added on February 19, 2011, 2:41 pmRaptor-Gaming K1, Professional Gaming Keyboard for sale in lowyat
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...595&hl=keyboard




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