Oh that one i'm not sure.


KBC a chinese keyboard fan club/forum usually sell custom keycaps. But their usually blanks.

Although they may have laser etched pbt keycaps as well.


The geekhack forum under keyboards are contemplating a 2nd MO for custom made keycaps. Either abs doubleshots or laser etched pbt. they haven't quite decided yet.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 7 2010, 10:15 PM

elitekeyboards have replaced Filco keyboards with Leopold keyboards.

Basically their using a more refined filco casing with a slightly different design example the led light is integrated into the key; same appearance like the dk-9008 but is 10 keyless.

Also the leopold has laser etched pbt keycaps; which was always a weakness in the filco keyboards.

And best of all; they say it will be priced more cheaper than the Filco.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13258


Also no ugly leopold logo :}

Personally i don't like that Ducky 1087.



Why i think Leopold EK looks better than the Ducky 1087










This image shows the difference in recessed keys between the Filco vs Ducky









1. the rounded led lights on Ducky is fugly. I much prefer the Leopold's (which looks exactly like the lighting on the Ducky 9008. But like i said; if your intending to use your own keycaps; the Filco may be better in that regard.)

2. The leopold uses the same casing as the Filco but is more refine as in the side edges are rounded off which looks great. Also the casing may be better than the Ducky in the sense that the keys are burrowed down deeper into the keyboard; than compared to a Ducky 1087 that sticks out more. It was Panda or someone who pointed this out. Panda says this problem applies to the Dk-9008 i'm getting :/ I will just have to see in person if this will be ok with me or not before i can comment further.

3. Keycaps on the leopold also are pbt laser etched and judging from the pictures looks much clearer than the dull white of the ducky. More tests need to be done to check on durability but this may take time before users can report ....

4. I don't particularly like leopold and ducky logos; but the EK leopold option has the kb WITHOUT the logo. So that is a big plus over the Ducky.

5. Underneath the keyboard; i don't particularly like the Leopold look for the rubber feet. Ducky looks better to me


Other than that; the Ducky and Leopold are pretty much the same in terms of features like usb connector; NKRO; 3 choices of mechanical switches etc etc .....

So thats why i said Leopold overall is better.



PS: i've also read panda and white rice's review of the dk-1987 and wasn't particularly impressed

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:13122

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:12305



This is Laggy-Gaga from GH; Group Buy DoubleShot Key Italian Red Filco kb. Looks much better than the dk-1087 and solves having crappy filco pad printed keys.



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 9 2010, 06:19 PM

Yes i think they have a 104 key version. But i am not sure if elitekeyboards are getting those. The one their stocking up on is the 10keyless version without the fugly Leopold logo.

so if you get the Leopold 104 key version; it will have the logo on it. I don't know whether the 104 has pbt laser etched keys like the 10keyless EK is getting. Another question is; does the 104 key version use the same recessed casing like the Filco ?



Leopold FC200R 104 keys keyboard

http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1243839425




This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 9 2010, 06:17 PM

Blanks not sure but i doubt it. But this guy probably bought his blanks from KBC chinese forum.





Leopold 10 keyless review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDFrQA10OiM&feature=related


http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/review/1872652

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 9 2010, 06:24 PM

You mean the pricing ???

Well i haven't seen; but i am guessing PChome would be cheaper than the SG MO (my guess).

I heard something about PCHOME kbs mostly only have them with Chinese letterings (for the Duckys anyway); and only some have English letters.

I don't think they have the same dk-9008 cherry brown model with only English letterings at pchome; but that is just my guess from what i may have recalled from someone elses quote.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 9 2010, 06:54 PM

If so many people are interested; you guys should start your own Malaysian MO. Can get cheaper than VRzone that way.

If not; then just buy from pchome which has cheap worldwide shipping as part of their limited time promotion; assuming you can get the English only kb. Better email pchome and confirm first if can. if cannot then the only choice is vrzone Getting from pchome should be cheaper and faster; but i only worry that they may not have English for the PBT version of the dk-9008. But fssbz seems to think they do, so i may be wrong on this point.

But yes if your going for blanks; may as well save money and get the abs version which is cheaper. The only difference between the abs and pbt version is the caps only; nothing else.




ANYWAY; in regards to 10keyless mechanical keyboards; here is the pricings in USD.



20 bucks more for better looking laser etched pbts compared to the dirty ducky key caps; better looking receeding keycaps hm.... sounds worth it to me :]




PS: i think pchome may be the best deal compared to the sort of MO like vrzone who ordered from ducky channel just for the fact of their super good deal on world wide shipping So a MO from pchome instead for the weight of 10 keyboards for USD 20 in total is a GOOD DEAL!

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2010, 12:27 AM

Well the reviews i read clearly points that the leopold 10 keyless is way better than the ducky 1087.

But for the leopold 104 keys kb it remains to be seen if the quality is like the 10 keyless. But what is interesting about the 104 keys leopold i found out; was that they got like 2-4 or so doubleshot extra keycaps for say the escape key.





http://keyboardporn.com/keycaps/leopold-keycaps/


But what separates the dk-9008 from the leopold keyboard is that ducky can FN+F9 to disable windows key. I don't think the Leopold can, but i could be wrong.

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Added on December 10, 2010, 12:38 amBy the way here is KBC 1087 engraved white keycaps.





This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2010, 12:38 AM

It looks like that because its 2 pieces of plastics molded together.

It's very durable to wear; and the text comes out very clear compared to other key print types e.g. laser etch which is slightly fuzzy n dirty.


This is my limited geekhack dolche double shot injected 104 key set



















Source:

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=All+About+Keys

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2010, 01:22 AM

I don't hear any sound.

No, a keyboard doesn't need led lighting to be a mechanical keyboard.



In reponse to Cnet's review posting some very controversial ratings by rating the DAS kb better than a Topre; i posted how a keyboard should be evaluated upon.









I do admit i too love led lighted keyboards; especially the high quality ones like found in the Razer black widow which has 1 led for each key. BUT i don't value that over the primary ratings i mentioned.

This is the mistake the gaming keyboard thread are making. They do not understand what makes a good keyboard; and they get lulled by the cool lightings; and these macro features.

Some mechanicals too also have macro features; and led lighting too; but more important they have mechanical switches; and some even have NKRO.

Of course pricing is an important factor. But when i see keyboards like Logitech G19 rubberdomes which sells for as much as a good mechanical keyboard; i don't see what good reason there is to get the rubberdome over a mechanical keyboard in such instances. And even if there are some rubber domes half the cost (like RM2xx range), i feel that paying in the range of RM4xx-Rm5xx is well worth the cost for a good mechanical keyboard that does NKRO for the purpose of gaming and an enjoyable typing experience.

But if you are strapped for cash; and want to upgrade other computer parts such as cpu; graphics cards etc; then yes by all means please do. Using a cheap keyboard until your ready to get a better keyboard is a smart choice. That was what i did with my rig. I prioritsed what i wanted to upgrade e.g. cpu; ram; hard drive space etc; before at the end when i upgraded my keyboard.

A good mechanical keyboard should be seen like; why you get better speakers; or why you get a better gaming mouse. That is pretty much why you would get a better keyboard

That was why i made this thread to separate us from such misconceptions lauding the rubberdome bling keyboards over quality mechanical or Topre hybrid keyboards.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2010, 01:40 PM

Refer here

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Key...ufacturers+keys

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=All+About+Keys

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=STA...ssary+and+Links

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Added on December 10, 2010, 2:36 pmBy the way i spotted some cherry g80-3000 doubleshot 104 keys set being sold here



http://www.inpad.com.tw/goods.php?catId=18



Also there was Ducky 104 engraved keycaps

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2010, 02:37 PM

Consider these options:

Ducky 9008 = 104 standard keys + 4 media keys. Has NKRO via USB to PS2 adapter; can disable windows key by pressing FN + F9. Keycaps are either abs silkscreened or pbt laser etched which cost more. Has cherry stabilizers for the big keys and spacebar; hence making it easier to remove and install keycaps. It doesn't have a keyboard armrest like the Steelseries 7G integrated into the keyboard; but they do sell optional leather palm rests which i feel is much superior in comfort.

Review:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:13063



Leopold 104 keys = a Ducky alternative. Has NKRO via usb to ps2 adapter. Thats all the info i know. You will have to ask around to find out whether it's a suitable alternative to the Ducky. I compared the Leopold 10 keyless vs the Ducky 10keyless and found that Leopold is a better quality kb. But whether that applied to the 104 key variant i haven't yet found out because of a lack of info :/


Filco Majestouch NKRO = Also has NKRO via usb to ps2 adapter. But doesn't have the disable windows key like the ducky. Does not have cherry stabilizers; so harder to remove/reinstall big keys and spacebar. The led light to indicate capslock etc is enabled; the led is fitted into the casing front cover; whereas the Ducky has it embeded directly into the keycap. What this means is; if you use your own custom keycaps on the Filco, it will look much neater/nicer compared to the Ducky.


Deck Legend = pretty expensive but looks nice especially the led lighting. Quality material; however although it supports nkro; it doesn't via usb to ps2 adapter. They sell 2 variants; one with usb and the other with ps2 port. If you want full NKRO you have to get the PS2 variant. If you get the usb; your stuck with 6KRO. This is why i did not go down this route. Besides the Ducky cost less and has a disable windows key feature i needed.


Topre Realforce = Excellent keyboard lots of quality. Technically it supports NKRO but it doesn't do it via usb to ps2 adapter. Also it only comes as USB; so your pretty much stuck with 6KRO unless you can somehow mod it to get the NKRO to work. According to the experts that seems to be very hard to achieve.


Black widow ultimate = I don't particularly recommend this keyboard; but seeing as it's a popular one i thought it should be mentioned. Looks nice however is glossy so it's a finger print magnet. Does not do NKRO which isn't too big a deal; however it supports limited 2KRO which is very disappointing for a supposedly high end keyboard. The best feature about this keyboard is aesthetics because it has good led lighting as each key has a led light in it. Also has macro features which seemed simple to use; although personally i too haven't found much use for them.


Steelseries 7G = NKRO. Doesn't have windows disable key feature. Only comes with black switches. I don't particularly like their straight down palm rest, but others might. But the biggest sin of all; it costs much more than a Ducky; and is only available in black whereas the Ducky has 3 choices for switches. But on a positive note the keyprints are laser etched.

Steelseries 6Gv2 = pretty much resembles the 7G most parts. Cheaper than a Ducky. But it only comes with black cherry mx switches which was what i wanted to avoid.


Cherry keyboard = there are many models. The ones i recommend are G80-3000 and G80-3494. The problem with the 3000 series is that there are so many variants you can easily get confused which one to get; they have many different cherry switch/language/keycap design options. The 3494 is simple enough to figure out and comes with red cherry switches. The only fault for the cherry is it uses pcb mounting instead of a metal plate; however some users still find the Cherry to be pretty sturdy nevertheless. Also you can buy cherry doubleshots and fit them onto any of the cherry keyboards making for one very good keyboard. The other thing it lacks is disabling windows key :/ This is why i got Ducky instead.



Summary:

Leopold/Ducky/Filco come in 3 choices for switches such as Cherry mx brown, blue and black

Topre you only have 1 choice (hybrid mechanical/rubber dome/capacitive) but it's pretty good to those who have used it.

Black widow ultimate only comes with cherry mx blues only.

Steelseries like Henry Ford said; only comes with black.... cherry mx switches

Cherry many variations that sometimes it gets confusing especially for the g80-3000 series. Many switch options; good keycaps especially their doubleshots.



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2010, 03:40 PM

QWERTY (the keyboard layout typing standard everyone uses)

DVORAK

COLEMAK


These are the different typing layouts and styles. Colemak supposedly good on the fingers; but kinda screws it up because games rely more on QWERTY layout.

not sure but anything 200+ might be taxable

Preferably buy from pchome for the good shipping deal.

But if you can't get the english version for the keyboard you want, then i suggest this other site

http://www.inpad.com.tw


But it's in taiwanese so maybe try talk to their customer service via email.

They don't do international shipping ??? wow i did not know this

This bloke from GH ordered from PCHOME. See how much stuff he ordered but he only paid 20 USD for international shipping anywhere.

http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=260445&postcount=675


Friggin good deal

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