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post Nov 24 2010, 05:41 AM

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Topre are very very expensive.
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post Nov 24 2010, 04:54 PM

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Deck Legend
Quality is good. But oddly if you want NKRO, have to get the PS2 version. Filco and Ducky can get NKRO via usb to PS2 adapter, but the Deck Legend cannot get NKRO via adapter which is very odd.... Considering the cost, i omitted getting this because of the NKRO oddity. Also Filco and Ducky were cheaper besides, and i didn't need the backlighting that badly doh.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTtO4da-r1o



Xarmor U9BL
The keycaps have rubber in it so they may not be so durable. Oddly enough it also is dye sublimated which is nice, just the rubbery parts are a concern in regards to durability.

http://hardwareaware.com/review/xarmor-u9bl/




Razer BlackWidow Ultimate
2KRO which is pathethic considering they are marketing this as a gamers keyboard. Also glossy so it's a finger print magnet. And only comes with cherry mx blue only doh.gif Other than that i think it looks good :/ just too bad about the 2KRO part which to me is a big let down for such a pricey keyboard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlWYLJIibxE









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post Nov 26 2010, 06:36 AM

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The bw wasn't designed to handle NKRO. So just using a USB to PS2 adapter won't give it NKRO capability.

Even the Deck Legend USB version doesn't give you NKRO even with USB to PS2 adapter. Because the controller sux :/

Only FILCO/Ducky/Cherry g80-3494/Steelseries 7G have NKRO via USB to PS2 adapter.

I heard plum keyboard can achieve NKRO via usb without the use of PS2 or adapters.
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post Nov 26 2010, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(Phonzy @ Nov 26 2010, 07:11 AM)
would you reach a conclusion then, that the Steelseries 7G, even though a MUCH older model, excels in where the Blackwidow Ultimate fails? :/
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Well depends.

BW is using cherry mx blue switches, whereas the steelseries 7g uses cherry mx blacks. Depends which you prefer.

But overall i think the steelseries wins because of NKRO support. Even using just USB it has 6KRO which is more practical for gaming compared to 2KRO.

In terms of aesthetics i think the BW looks good (except for the glossy finish which makes it harder to keep clean/nice)




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post Nov 29 2010, 07:12 AM

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Apparently panda already made a review of some special ducky 9008 with mix switches, and has pbt laser etched keys

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:13016


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Added on November 29, 2010, 2:25 pmFinally a review of the Ducky Dk-9008 with Cherry mx brown switches

http://forums.vr-zone.com/hardware-arena/8...tml#post8877501

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:13063



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post Nov 30 2010, 09:05 AM

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Wow so you actually got the mix switches for the dk-9008 ? I thought that was only for China market they said biggrin.gif ?

Anyway gonna do a review to compare the black, blue and brown on the ducky nod.gif ?



Gosh time is really slowing down. It's still only the 30th November !!! geez :/ hurry up already time cry.gif

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post Nov 30 2010, 04:47 PM

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Pom keycaps.... biggrin.gif drool.

but the sad part is i hate their logo doh.gif ugly.


Anyway did you mean this ?

PLU ML-87 POM

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N-KRO via P/S 2 and 6-KRO via USB ??? (lady gaga thinks otherwise doh.gif check at geekhacks)
Comes in Black, Blue or Brown Switches
POM(Delrin) keycaps
PLU-key for Media functions (similar to Steelseries-key)
Ugly as SIN branding...


Review:
http://article.pchome.net/content-1218318.html

It can be bought from PLU's taobao shop
Link : http://store.taobao.com/shop/view_shop-716...37c0c85df9f.htm

For $50 before agent fee/shipping is not too bad...





Source:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=12524&highlight=plum


Some more detailed information about the Plum keyboards

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PLUM 84 are quite difference from PLUM 87
PLUM 84 is with NKRO-PRO and without numpad, http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8010110157
PLUM 87 without NKRO and with numpad

but PLUM sold the whole design of PLUM 84 to NOPPOO
so this month it will be out labelled NOPPOO mini

kinds of confused, I will show u pictures later,
not today, ran out of Interenet usage

all printed by laser



Plum vs Choc Mini

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QUOTE(lucidlts @ Nov 30 2010, 05:50 PM)
That is just one of their product, the ML-3000-POM they have is pretty good too. NKRO for a USB keyboard is pretty rare though.
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Yeah that NKRO Pro for usb, why don't they do it more often ?? I asked the same question on GH and nobody really knows hmm.gif

Anyway someone said those plum POM keys have dimples on them doh.gif But i didn't hear this for the G80-3494 lycus-2 black that also uses POM keycaps hm doh.gif

Also POM isn't as important as doubleshots. It's interesting to know that PBT plastic isn't compatible with doubleshots. ABS and POM are nod.gif

Oddly the only POM doubleshot i saw was on a Deck legend, but thats not really a normal doubleshot :/ if you check the GH forum wiki you'll see why i said that.

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post Dec 1 2010, 08:19 AM

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f***. Thats so many keyboards.

Can i have 1 for christmas biggrin.gif

Anyway added cool.gif


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Glad the thread helped nod.gif

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QUOTE(zandara @ Dec 1 2010, 08:23 AM)
Yeah can i hv 0ne too? biggrin.gif Just 6gv2 enuff ad
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So your getting a bw ultimate hmm.gif ?
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post Dec 1 2010, 08:50 AM

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When did they say it will arrive ???

I'm waiting on my Ducky; suppose to come this December doh.gif the wait is killing me.
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post Dec 1 2010, 04:33 PM

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3M leather wrist rest ?

Sorry your picture a bit dark i can't see clearly doh.gif

Gel fillings ?
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post Dec 2 2010, 08:59 AM

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I haven't used many keyboard to know.

Maybe DCS ?
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post Dec 3 2010, 03:24 PM

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That red switch ducky looks interesting.

However it's a red and black mix :/
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post Dec 6 2010, 02:05 AM

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SkyDigital keyboard is using the filco wireless casing. So it has a battery compartment that doesn't do anything o_O; which is odd.
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post Dec 6 2010, 12:46 PM

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I think so.
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post Dec 6 2010, 05:38 PM

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Here is a very detailed review of the black widow ultimate

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:13224


I like the look; but shame it's 2kro doh.gif

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And speaking of USB, that brings us to a very important point - the keyboard is NOT NKRO. And I don't mean not NKRO as in, because it's USB it can only to 6+4 keys. No. I mean, there are no diodes on the board, so key combos are blocked by the controller instead of by the USB protocol. So you will run into combinations that get blocked at only 2 keys, meaning this is just 2-key rollover. One such combination is Z+X+C, which screwed me up because I use those keys for both emulators and music games. Not that I couldn't find a new cluster of keys to use, but it's just something that I wouldn't want to have happen immediately after spending $130 on a keyboard.




One of the nicest things about it however is probably the lighting.

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One of the cool things about backlighting with Cherry MX switches is that there's a little spot on the switch for an LED to sit. So just like the Decks and Xarmor, each individual key has it's own LED. For those who didn't know, rubber dome keyboards with backlighting have only about 6-10 LEDs around the perimeter of the board, and use a diffuser sheet to spread the light across the entire thing. Giving each key it's own individual LED results in brighter and more even backlighting.

Here what you see is a Deck Legend on the left and a Razer Blackwidow on the right. Razer used the same blue you'll find on any of their other keyboards or mice, while the Deck's LEDs have a slightly different hue to them - a little bit more towards the turquoise side. But they are identical in brightness.

Now, I don't know whether or not Razer's LEDs are rated for the same lifespan that the Deck's are, but even the cheapest ones last for several thousand hours. So I'm not too worried about their longevity.

Hitting Fn+F12 cycles through the backlight settings, which are as follows:
1 - Off
2 - Low
3 - Medium
4 - High
5 - Pulsing (gradual change from off to high, and then back to off)

That last one is mildly annoying and very distracting, and I can't imagine anyone actually using it.


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QUOTE(xcen @ Dec 6 2010, 09:42 PM)
Does all Filco's come with NKRO or some of them do not?

Btw, I'm still waiting for storm88's filco...
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Filco sells with NKRO and without NKRO. So when buying make sure your getting the one with the NKRO. It should be shown on the box doh.gif

Anyway for the Filco NKRO kb; you need to use a usb to ps2 adapter and plug it into a PS2 port on your motherboard in order for NKRO to work.

If you just use usb, then your stuck at 6KRO which is pretty decent for most things.

Even if your keyboard has NKRO but your motherboard doesn't have PS2 port then your stuck at 6kro. Some keyboard like some PLUM models have something called NKRO pro which lets you have NKRO over usb (without using PS2 at all). However Filco doesn't have this neat feature doh.gif


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From the GH forums most people seem to think the chery mx black is the worse for a spacebar.

Clears best for spacebar doh.gif

well that is the general consensus anyway.


ABS plastic is better than the plastic used on say Logitech/Dell etc which uses some other lesser quality plastic. ABS is usually found on old mechanical keyboard casings.

PBT is used on newer mechanical keyboard these days; however they still use abs from time to time because it's cheaper.


Abs will make the keys shiny eventually after hard use. Pbt will have less or no shine with use doh.gif

Also pbt yellows less compared to abs.

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Key Materials and Key Wear

There is a bewildering array of plastics available and when you add in the different additives for softening, the ability to mix plastics, and fire retardants it's not easy to generalize how keys will wear. In addition, keyboard manufacturers generally will not advertise what materials they use in keys and focus instead on cost cutting. These are some of the plastics you may find to be in use:

PS, PC and PVC (Polystyrene, Polycarbonate, Polyvinyl Chloride). Common and cheap. This is a lighter less durable plastic that tends to be vulnerable to solvents. Most keyboards shipping today including Logitech, Microsoft, etc. use some variant of this for their casings and keys.

ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene). It's commonly used for older keyboard casings. It's a comparatively soft material compared to some modern plastics but is resistant to breakage. Topre casings are made of ABS and probably most IBM Model M's are as well. Although I am not sure I suspect Filco and Das keys are made of ABS.

PBT (Polybutylene Terephtalate). PBT is a common choice for modern Cherry keycaps and is what IBM and Unicomp use. It should not yellow as much as ABS over time.

POM (Polyoxymethyleneor better known by the brand name "Delrin"). An abrasion-resistant and low-friction material, this found use in older black Cherry G80 keycaps. However it is expensive and not common in other keyboards.






Read this wiki article to find out more about the differences in the plastic material

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=All+About+Keys



Anyway bottom line is; if it's ABS, PBT or POM it should be fine; and is way better than the normal crappy PS, PC and PVC (Polystyrene, Polycarbonate, Polyvinyl Chloride) used in logitech/microsoft etc keyboards.

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QUOTE(lucidlts @ Dec 7 2010, 09:58 PM)
does anyone here knows how to get those colored key caps for Filco keyboard?
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Do you mean blanks ?

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