1st. A minus point that most people agree with, abit sad because of the gearbox potential is there
2nd. Subjective, but it's not that bad given the targetted segment, it's competing against vios/city/maz2
3rd. worse than forte 1.6? are you sure? really really sure? i dont want to be another CM98 but you do realise the difference of power weight ratio between these 2 cars right? so i want to ask again, you really sure about the poor engine power delivery? i might be wrong because maybe i don't add much weight to the car therefore the acceleration is not affected in the fiesta but i was slightly heavier when i tested the forte,
4th. is that really so important?
5th. the advantage of rear drum break vs disk brake is still a subject of debate, but heck, we can always ask for more right? ...ya, Ford should just put the disk in and let the rest debate about it. a minus for fiesta.
6th. why would you wanna disable them? you mat drift?
7th. hardly conclusive, the test car probably hasn't even break in yet....
8th. sound sucks, but player is better....i think that's a draw then...
9th. the Fiesta IS meant to be a small car, if you did not realise. the Forte was meant to be bigger. i can't think of anything wrong with that...
10th. relates to 3rd, and i think your test car is also affected by 7th. the engine hasn't been properly break in yet.

Sh1t car eh, hahaha...now you are starting to talk like "the" someone....

anyway, just my slight 2cent disagreement with your post. i dont think the fiesta was that much of a sh1t car...it was just the way it was meant to be, a nice small fun car. just like forte has it's own design purpose, so does fiesta. you don't have to bash a car so badly (or subjectively) just because you are not going to buy it. you might not agree with what i say tho,

the Fiesta IS a b segment car. ok, thx for making clear your point. i guess that means case close,

just a quick point to think tho, the Fiesta has NVH level that is much better than even the Forte, which means if you move from sitting in the City & then to Fiesta, the silence will be like golden. but i guess you were looking for Fiesta's problem so you probably missed out this. Enjoy yr Forte anyway,

This post has been edited by eddie_al: Oct 24 2010, 01:00 AM

wow...so the sub-100k forte now suddenly alleviates into a ferrari level huh...since parts are also not easily available for the ferrari which is a rare car, so should the forte be any different, right? very good & fair comparison. sometimes you people simply say the best things ever, =). so much for a fair compare. is any intelligence needed for such comparison?

This post has been edited by eddie_al: Oct 25 2010, 10:46 PM

it's manufactured in thailand, rayong plant. together with maz2....

one man's harassment is another man's fetish...hahaha...

the 10th gen altis has long dropped from top...er, i really dont know. is 20 enough? but of coz, some owner of this gen would bash me if i say this gen was a failure in market capture compared to what it used to be able to achieve. but well, the figure for the whole 1 year wont lie, so its really a denial.

maybe the 10.5 gen will do better, but i am still betting it will be just as bad in acceptance as the 10th gen. i certainly hope umw wont need more than 2 gen of bad sales to realise their "competitive" pricing in such crowded market today.

i dont think that is. (that sound in the clip knocks non-stop)

i only hear knocking when i was doing test run with ron95. it only happens for me, during full floor acceleration (from stand still), and high rev cruising (in my case, speed above 120km with rpm around 3K) having notified umw sc during my servicing, they adviced to switch back to whatever previous fuel if the sound was not there before. i did and fill back with ron 97. now the sound is gone.

btw, my engine knocking sounds like a rattle, maybe its not the same for different car/engine?

there are many types of car buyers/owners

but despite all that, it comes down to some common consideration overlapping one or more considerations
1) how much you are willing to pay... (affects budget & model choice)
2) how much you are willing to bear... (affects year of repayment)
3) what is a car to you... (affects model/brand perception)

you all can argue till the cows come home, but dont forget each person has different standing on the 3 above, and how strongly they rate them.

eg. A might be average or slightly above, but he is willing to stretch his wallet (1) abit because to him, by choosing to pay 3~5 years (2) because he wants to keep his financial liability shorter. He rates financial freedom high. Car to him, (3) is just a transportation, therefore what matters is he will drive whatever his (1) n' (2) permits & he will drive it for as long as it is problem free. If he likes what he bought, it is even better.

situation above can also be, a person B, puts high placing for (3) but infact is not comfortable the financing, therefore he will try to go for the car he likes even if it means stretch the financing (2) to more than 7~9 years. and he doesnt mind the resale for sure because he is already pushing above his financial ability, just for the car he likes. to him, (3) is more than a transport, he simply wants to have it just as people who fancies new gadget or the prettiest girl they can find.

this is just a very basic example of the unlimited combination. the bottom thing is, not all buys/owns car for the fun of it, some because they need it at the same time being particular of their money & where it goes & how it is spent.

you dont go explaining to a person who spends thousand on branded goods that they dont need all that, because in the end of the day they might not rate money as highly as much as you do. it is even more so if they are actually able to afford it while still being comfortable financially.

similarly you also dont go telling people who lives their life moderately but have long term financial plans, for whatever reason they deem valid. (even being a millionaire) It could be they just dont rate material possession or hedonism as highly as you do, but prefer to have enough for everything they need until time can tell.

sorry for long OT post but i think you all should stop trying to find fault with each other. this is FnF, even the name of the forum thread shows it's more inclining towards (3) instead how much is it worth or the actual value of it. i really believe someone is mixing in the wrong segment while trying to advocate his own standing & POV.

it was meant for all. just as he can't resist his imposing his views, alot of you also can't resist trying to justify yours. can we just talk about cars? you can talk about how much it cost because obviously you have to consider it when you buy.

but resale value? that's already something else.

2.0 hi-spec at 120k??? that's undercutting Sonata YF standard spec here by a good 15k margin. i don't think that is likely to happen, but, who knows...maybe a suprise.

if SD's Fiesta could undercut Maz2's selling price, maybe Naza could do the same when they bring in the Optima K5,

hoho, at 120K, it means my car finally has something i would like all-around to swap with...

the sonata caught my attention, but as we all know, at those price, i might as well tighten my finance abit & get other choice.

erm...if you feel the cruze is reluctant to move, the 1.6 Forte wont be any different...

2.0 for more acceleration on the go. i am inclined to believe the FC is better overall for 2.0 if you drive in mixed condition. similar comparison has been done in the past for models offered in both 1.6 vs 1.8, 2.0 vs 2.4 etc etc. power to weight ratio affects driving impression. in this case, the Forte is infact a solidly C-segment car being pulled by a "just enough" 1.6cc gamma engine. it's not bad, but less fun,

if you want fast overtaking action, a bigger cc is more appropriate.

for anyone wanting to confirm change of rim size affecting speedo reading, you can check with this.

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

i downsized & upwidth my stock tyres, so i can vouch for a very slight (very minimal, non issue) speed misreading but with better stability whilst getting a little better FC. but of coz, only if you dont mind smaller rims & thicker tyres,

yr forte is maroon red right? dont bother to spray for that minor scratch. get turtlewax color cure ("red"). should work with all type of red shade.