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 What insurance plan you having? Pls share as guide, Tell us how much, good/bad it is:)

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TSJerryTeh
post Oct 20 2010, 02:44 PM, updated 14y ago

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Myself

single, 23 y/o, income around 3k-4k/month

my insurance plan

1) Great Eastern investment linked

life protection : 80000
critical illness : 50000
accident : 50000
return (non-guarantee) : 20 years : RM 50000

pay : RM200/month


2) Great Eastern critical illness(living care)

critical illness and life : RM 15000

pay for RM 50/month


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post Oct 20 2010, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(newbie99 @ Oct 20 2010, 04:32 PM)
3M+ coverage for PA only, costing 3k+ a year. No life and critical illness coverage.
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wow that a lot drool.gif

got cash value for it?


Added on October 20, 2010, 5:33 pmThis is one my friend in who work in Singapore one, please advice:)

income SGD1400-SGD1700 (depend on O.T)
(around 3500-RM4000)

then she got 3 x 10years endowment for total RM1500/ month

whereby she'll get around 500k to 600k++ for retirement

not protection plan =.=

what you guys think??


This post has been edited by JerryTeh: Oct 20 2010, 05:33 PM
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post Oct 20 2010, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(edyek @ Oct 20 2010, 05:36 PM)
Wow, I only have medical card. Prudential. Monthly payment is only RM 600++ (Mine + GF).

Have not get any life insurance.
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wah why so high one the premium??

I thought only cost around 600++ per year only for medical card only?
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post Oct 21 2010, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 20 2010, 10:32 PM)
Pru is so-so, ING is T3H SuXs!

wat mean?

i dono wording use by young men nowday
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post Oct 21 2010, 06:01 PM

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Hey to all insurance agent in this post:)

Me myself is an insurance agent too:) from Great Eastern

I appreciated the PMs, but thank you biggrin.gif

And the purpose I do this post is to know more different thinking towards insurance:)

So no worry I wont PM you guys to sell insurance smile.gif
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post Oct 22 2010, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 22 2010, 02:15 PM)
Investment linked better or pure insurance policy?
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haha:)
I always like to answer this quetion to my client icon_idea.gif

If claim earlier, Investment linked will be fantastic
low premium high sum assured
Eg: 30 y/o male non smoker

RM100/m(RM1200/Y) can get RM100,000 critical illness protection, with a non guaranteed return(investment) of around break even(24000+/-) on year 18 - 20

if claim later or no claim, traditional is fantastic
Moderate premium moderate sum assured with Higher cash value and INCREASING protection

Eg: 30y/o male non smoker

RM3430/Y to get RM100,000 critical illness sum assured

cash value on year 20 = 96000(premium paid 68600)
Cash value on year 30 = 198000(premium paid 102900)
protection on year 20 = 220000

It actually like renting(InvestmentLinked) a house or buying a house(traditional), buying a house you'll get asset!

depend on your budget:)
high then 100% on traditional
mid then MIXed
low than Investment link

jerry icon_idea.gif

This post has been edited by JerryTeh: Oct 22 2010, 07:35 PM
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post Oct 25 2010, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(jeff_v2 @ Oct 25 2010, 02:54 PM)
can ask which insurance is the best?
interms of easy to claim and good cust service..
im 25 and still have no insurance lor
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haha i guess you'll get a lot of pm,
anyway my loc at JB, may contact me if you want
0166882426

for us as agent, the best policy is always a policy that is in force!! means activated, not lapsed =.=

no best policy but most suitable policy, normally for my clients, what i do for first plan is always comprehensive plan, that means will be cover life, critical illness, medical, investment and accident.

age 25 roughly from RM150 - RM 200
and one important message, no "cheaper" insurance in market, lower premium mean lower Cash value in the end

so no case like "kena nombor tak kena wang" as in lotery, haha


Added on October 25, 2010, 7:52 pm
QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 25 2010, 02:59 PM)
On this topic, can someone kindly explain to me the implication of the term : Critical Year in terms of payment of policy ?

It's something like when that year is reached, we do not need to pay the premium anymore, right ?
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critical years

in mathematics

annual bonus + compound interest of annual bonus > premium

REAL EXAMPLE FROM MY CLIENT

Life plan EconomicLife from Great Eastern
Sum assured RM60,000
premium 1635.90/Y

start year 1995

statement last year
total bonus in account = RM28694.83

new bonus declared = RM2,178.24
which is more than RM1635.90


so for this plan the policy holder may stop paying premium

noted: critical year normally is verbally stated by agent like me, but please noted that it is non guarantee
but currently in the market also got some policy that have short premium term, but still, please make sure from the contract it is GUARANTEED!!



and please allow me to do some advertising smile.gif

I'm choose Great Eastern because one most important thing - reliable(insurance is talking about 20 30 yrs above!!)
as you all know, that's always a lot of non guaranteed bonuses and benefits in any policy, especially cash bonus,
see here official BNM report you'll know

http://www.bnm.gov.my/files/publication/dgi/en/2009/L.10.pdf



give me some time I'll try to put in a summarize one smile.gif
here the sum
Attached File  bank_negara.pdf ( 79.14k ) Number of downloads: 167


Great Eastern = OLDest + Largest + Richest + most stable + most award winner + most Bonuses declared
almost every year, our bonus declared is almost HALF of TOTAL 17 insurance company bonuses declared in whole malaysia


Added on October 25, 2010, 8:26 pm
QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 24 2010, 09:49 PM)
which 1 give max earning
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for insurance, it is always still insurance

insurance at the end of the days = protection, either create emergency fund if unfortunated, or retirement fund


difference between endowment(insurance saving plan) VS any investment

endowment =
save money with low/no risk mid return >> main purpose >> CAPITAL APPRECIATION
so sorry to offense a lot of insurance agent here, especially who always claimt to be BANKER doh.gif
NO SO CALLED HIGH RETURN IN INSURANCE
NO 8%, 10% 12% bla bla bla pls.... rclxm9.gif
BUT IT IS THE BEST TOOL FOR SAVING, NO RISK BUT CAPITAL APPRECIATION,
MOST IMPORTANTLY = CREATE A HABIT!


ANY INVESTMENT
to earn $ with $
with different risk and return
need some knowledge for most

saving is the starting point, investment is the bonus round, protection bring you to the end

This post has been edited by JerryTeh: Oct 25 2010, 08:26 PM
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post Oct 26 2010, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 25 2010, 11:49 PM)
Can you tell me the different between Great IncomeEnhancer and Elite Builder ?
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wow:)
so pro, you should be an agent, haha

more or less the same to me, only some gimmick benefits different(not too much related to creating fund)

EB got term 8/12/20
GIE got 10/15 (actually is 15/20 but guaranteed survival benefits > premium)

If you comparing the return you might get yourself headache rclxub.gif
For my client, if budget and term wasn't big problem, we'll go for GIE, as you can either to continue to save or not from year 11 to 15. Flexible.

Frankly speaking,
For me there's always a line between company 'marketing' & financial planning.
End of the days, it still how much you succeeded to save that matter, right?

Using too much time in comparing plans and companies sometime bring very bad incident,
like last week my colleague's ex course-mate just past away w/o any insurance, fresh grads with high income in Singapore, my colleague was so sad until today, due to feeling bad for keep giving chance for her friend to compare investment-linked product.

Of course you have your rights to compare as a consumer.

If really want to compare, just go BNM webpage, QUOTATION sometimes means NOTHING.
Sometime me myself as an agent(I'd think a lot of agent) fed up for some freaking small, new, insurance company.
Their fund like ShXX but their quotation can be so damn nice, but we as agent we know, the chance to get as what shown in quotation is nil shocking.gif

And we're glad that BNM took some action recently to one of the mismanagement company ExxQx
(I dunno can be shared here or not, but it is in the newspaper) rclxms.gif

This post has been edited by JerryTeh: Oct 26 2010, 01:19 AM
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post Oct 26 2010, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(fatw3apon @ Oct 26 2010, 01:55 PM)
Jerry Tan, since your GE agent can I ask you something?

I found a credit card giving 2% and 3% rebate on GE insurance. Link here
http://www.ocbccards.com.my/gePlatinum.aspx

But in the faq it says by "You must sign up for the Great Eastern Easi-Pay Service for your Great Eastern Insurance in order to enjoy the Insurance Premium Rebate". So is it all GE insurance entitled to the rebate or only a portion?
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this I'm not very sure, I did for my client and not actually ask the outcome

but should apply to all GE insurance, but there is a limit, If i'm not wrong is capped with RM6000 premium/year

sign by Great Eastern Easi-Pay Service mean autodebit by this credit card. Just a normal easypay form thats all our agent should have.
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post Oct 26 2010, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 26 2010, 03:04 PM)
Am wondering here : if we feel that we have too many policies, and we terminate a policy, are there any problems or difficulties when we do this ?

I think any insurance company will not like us doing a surrender, right ?

Will they give us problems like not releasing the Cash back to us, or delaying the refund, etc ?

Normally how long will it be before they will refund us the Surrender Value ?

Thank you.
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vilim is right, do full policy review/analysis before take any action. I think most agent can do this well.

insurance company will be neutral for surrender
so they wont hold the cash value
It may take 2 weeks to 3 weeks for cheque

but why we always try our best to stop client from surrendering policy because of 1 important reason :
client suffer $ lost and lowering own protection

surrendering policy really a BIG LOSS.

1) You can't buy back the policy again. differ in age and premium
2) Lost in cash value. if less than 15 years, most likely TOTAL PREMIUM PAID > CASH VALUE
3) You may couldn't buy insurance anymore! (health condition)
4) Most insurance is not for our self, protection is for family, loved ones.

You should proud if you capable to have a lot.

Here give you a rough idea of cash value vs premium vs time
Attached Image

My advice, please don't surrender policy, except really really no other choices and need cash.
If got budget,pay premium even for policy that is already past critical year.
No harm to save. The compound interest in insurance is not bad.

This post has been edited by JerryTeh: Oct 26 2010, 06:41 PM
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post Oct 26 2010, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Oct 26 2010, 07:49 PM)
JerryTeh,

and the loss in life policies and their riders is another very good reason why one should consider general insurance huh? no issues, no losses, strictly pay as you go only (other factors equal, i.e. cant insure preexisting conditions etc.).
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I understand, before I became agent I also think the same way.

Because I like clear cut
Investment = investment
saving = saving
protection = protection
right? nod.gif

But if you spend some times to compare General insurance and life insurance, you'll know the difference.

Main different

1) Cash Value
Even though premature lapsed policy bring losses, but after 10 to 20 years, do you still need coverage?
YES! Even we may very rich in future, but richer means higher sum assured needed!!

2) Premium
General insurance Premium normally rise by age.
If you add it up until age 70 let say, then will know total amount paid without return.

3) Term of coverage
Maximum age that General insurance cover is always LOWER

4) Protection value
Life insurance(NOT investmentlinked) sum assured rise as years pass
General insurance offer Level Term sum assured
Eg : Life Insurance : Sum assured may doubled in 20years, General Insurance remain same, but premium may even risen up

5) Contract
There is a lot of different between policy's contract, please CHECK CAREFULLY(sorry I can't explain term by term)

Think again
Buying a traditional insurance(life,critical illness) like buying a house.
Sheltered your family,
Give us lump sum of cash, in case of unfortunate,
or as an asset for retirement.
ASSET value will RISE
After full installment, this house is yours! Don't need to pay, may keep, may sell, and value keep rising up!

OF COURSE, nothing wrong to buy general insurance
G.I is like renting a house, it sheltered your family too.
Renting means
1)Price will rise
2)NOT yours, may taken back anytime(depend on contract, please check carefully!)
3)NOT yours, can't sell it! NO cash inside
4)Lapsed easily(straight lapsed after 30days grace period)

LASTLY, insurance = responsibility.
When you take one of it, it's like a promised made. A promised that you'll take care of your family forever!
So shouldn't be policy lapsed, if we treat this responsibility seriously!
If policy not lapsing, no such thing as LOSS!
Normally traditional policy i.r.r more than FD if > 20 to 25 years!
Eg: 2 X total premium paid = cash value on year 30

This post has been edited by JerryTeh: Oct 26 2010, 08:51 PM
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post Oct 31 2010, 11:51 PM

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Case study and some info for medical insurance
for thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1617847

this is a reply i did.
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post Nov 1 2010, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(Superkian @ Oct 31 2010, 02:22 PM)
recently my friend intro his great eastern agent for me,she talk about their insurance plan,but i still very confusing and cannot compared with other company,i duno which 1 is good or bad,lolz.so i still thinking what insurance have to buy,and what is the term that use in this forum?such as PA,CI?sorry im very new to this.
im 24,still havent have medical card and other insurance.i think my parent buy insurance for me since i was very small,duno what insurance he buy.
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there are only 5 types of insurance smile.gif

1) Life : pay upon death + (normally with total disability)

2) Critical Illness(CI) : pay upon Critical Illness, (Death or Disability too if it is a traditional CI plan)

3) Medical Card(MC) : Settle or Subsidies Medical Bill

4) Personal Accident(PA) : pay upon accident-caused death ( some with partially / total disability protection)

5) Endowment (saving plan) : Actually is Life Insurance, but having term (year of maturity)

Comprehensive plan, some plan with some other names, is actually part of marketing, to feed the needs of the current market.

Investment Linked is something highly demanded and suitable for youngster in malaysia.

Since it is comprehensive(normally agent will packaged it with Life, critical Illness, Personal Accident and Medical card).
Partially of premium will go into investment(so it is like "saving" too)

Hence it is a good FIRST PLAN to have. Cover all first and then when we got extra budget, we may top up another traditional plan as you wish as long as still healthy smile.gif

This post has been edited by JerryTeh: Nov 3 2010, 12:38 AM
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post Nov 3 2010, 01:06 AM

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Hi cherroy,
I'll try to share some my point of view:)

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Life insurance mainly purpose is when a person passed away that is financial pillar of the family, at least life insurance will compensate the financial pillar loss issue.

1) Correct, the main purpose is.

To be frank nowadays seldom people buy "pure life insurance" already, but i will still try to explain:

i)Life Ins can be use as debt cancellation, eg :car

ii)Life Ins can be a "replacement" for "responsibility as a son/daughter"
"Single" not equal no responsibility, we still have our lovely parents.
They may not need/want the $ if something happen to us, but should we give & leaving them something as a child?
Or totally nothing if we gone earlier,gone just like that?

iii) As asset : Life insurance give better yields in long run VS bank saving

and many more... you may check from your agent, or take LPA course smile.gif

to be continue...

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post Nov 3 2010, 01:40 AM

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TOO MUCH THINGS TO SHARE FOR cherroy opinion....

TRUTH!! Insurance is a financial tools,
but WHY insurance was created, only 2 reasons
LOVE & RESPONSIBILITY
Besides "worth it?" or "how insurance can strengthen my finance?" or "profitable?" or ....
Please think of the REAL PURPOSE behind it..


INSURANCE, is a GIFT for our loved one.
"I"M SINGLE" OR "NO DEPENDENT", "TOO YOUNG, NO NEED"
If you still love and care somebody on Earth, you'll buy. Except you never care.

FOR THIS PARAGRAPH... answered in (i), (ii), (iii)
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(i)1 month baby passed away, it won't affect the family in term of financial.
Also, on (ii)chances wise, it is unlikely for 1 month baby to have CI.
(iii)It is very immoral to buy life insurance (death) for baby or even youngster, as you are betting against the death so that you can get financial compensation. My personal view.

When you buy life insurance, you are buying for your family member/dependant, not for you.
Life insurance coverage on death is totally needless for single and no dependant one, but just on CI alone issue only.


FOR (i) & (ii)
DUDE!! PURPOSE IS NOT FOR THE BUYER/PARENT, NOR FOR FAMILY FINANCIAL!
Only ONE reason for a parent to buy insurance for their own children-----LOVE!
I guess you are NOT a parent yet.
If your parent did bought "life insurance" for you when you are child(I guess some of you here got), please ask them why!
Parents always CARE of their children, from baby till old, until themselves gone, agree?
Life Ins for parents : Protection in family financial
(normally only can tahan short term)
Life Ins for child(for long term by PBR) : Long Term Saving and Protection, They'll need life insurance when they're adult too! They will have their own family.

>>We not start saving when retire. And we should not wait till got dependent, then only start "Life Protection"

Please think : how much life insurance sum assured need for a young couple with 2 children?
AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! but,
How much "Life Insurance Premium" do you think a young husband can afford?

(RM100k Life Protection? Can tahan how many year oh..?)

AGAIN : We not start saving when retire. And we should not wait till got dependent, then only start "Life Protection"

(ii) LOL ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
You are taking risk, "unlikely" then no need insurance for kids..
The kids are in RISK because of that assumption...
Please get yourself "insurance claim report" and MOH report before giving this STUPID opinion please!

Congrats that you are the first person that I use "STUPID" to describe, sorry

This post has been edited by JerryTeh: Nov 3 2010, 01:58 AM
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post Feb 23 2012, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(carbon14 @ Jan 27 2012, 03:47 PM)
Want to ask some experts here on getting a TYPE of insurance:

DOB 1988 - 24yrs now

Having my first job and I want to start saving now for my marriage, house and car etc. So my budget to start with is RM200-250. I don't smoke and I plan to get married within the next 3 years. Any recommendations? Should I include a medical card in the policy? Or just get an endowment plan? (low risk and higher rate than FD)
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better get a comprehensive investment linked plan first...



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