Maxis really don't care one, the package quite scary.

My brother took the N8 from me, and he really have to configure because N8 keeps trying to go online. I took a look, and it's the facebook widget eating up his data.

He really angry because Maxis will charge him normal rate for data after quota.

Maybe that person heard you wrong one la, thought you talking about normal Nokia. Iphone just stickthe Sirim sticker on the warranty card up until now also no problem.

probably because nokia really weren't prepared regarding local laws about the Sirim sticker.

Huh? Celcom oso got overcharging victim ka?

Nokia also hopping mad at the retailers, some of which decides to play around with the price. Even retailers listed in the Nokia adverts sometime plays with price, I know of one guy here that regularly charges 100 more than the normal retail price for his phones. Used to buy from him because he used to take in high trade ins - but since I found lowyat, and since his trade in price drop like rock already, stopped buying from him already.

Nokia's strategy is just to paste the RRP on the newspapers, and make sure the retail channels they control, especially the Hello stations do comform to the retail price. Paid a visit to three Nokia Hello stations today, and all of them are selling the N8 at the RRP price of RM1690. I do wish they would open one at Seremban though, may stop the crazy price plays retailers here are playing.

I think most retailers are longing for the good old days, where customers were dumb a bit on phones. Now I just laugh when clueless sales kids tell me to charge the phone 8 hours.

Yeah, but now margin getting thinner and thinner. Unless you big player, where they give you menu, and you buy according to menu. Small players sure die one, since menu normally includes really lowsy phones also.

I really wanted to like the N8, but the input bugs me. So I went and got myself an N900. Stay tuned for N900 vs N8 vs Iphone 4.

I no pendirian guy one la. Got Iphone, got N8 got N900 now. Android only I don't got, dah lama anti...

Which is why Nokia really need to control the retailers now. You don't like Nokia's instruction, then don't sell the phone.

This way, you weed out the ones giving Nokia a bad name (price jacking/bad service/nonsense advice), while maintaining a consistent look.

By the way, I did really play with the android phones, Hero, Legend, Milestone. Conclusion - meh...

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Many rich uncles also just buy Nokia 1100. No sms sms one, you want anything call.

Battery inaccuracy like that has been a problem all the way to when I was using an N95. At first, battery level stays high all of the sudden drop to critical within 3 hours.

Went to NCC to complain, first they reset battery polling la, reset software la, lastly they change battery. Still got that problem.

I wonder what Sony is going to do now? With all the attention on N8, seems like they don,t have anything in reply or something. Yes, there was the Vivaz and the Pro Vivaz, but no eal traction among buyers.

Use to like their phones, build quality was a bit special.

For me, input is what's stopping N8 from becoming the King, and like everyone else was also wondering why on earth did Nokia not implement a better soft keyboard UI. I mean, it's practically the same as 5800 and that was what, 2 years ago?

Until I read about Storm's rather strange input method, surepress. The reason why Storm had to implement such a strange touch entry was linked to how the OS is navigated. To choose and option on Blackberry os, you must first navigate to the item, and then click select. Because of that, they had to invent a way to differentiate a navigate action, and select action.

Probably that's the reason why Symbian hasn't yet implemented a system wide soft keyboard UI. Basically, what they do now, is just run the soft keyboard program when the os detects that you want to do an input, but they had to run it full screen, and probably in a very priviledged mode (you don't want the program to stall from appearing when asked) because they can't layer the soft keyboard program on the active screen. The other way to do things is maybe do a screen capture and get the program to layer over the soft keyboard (wondering how swype implements its input). In fact, one iteration, I think it was the 5800 managed to do this. How come N8 can't, unless its something major in the OS that they have to modify if we want this?

Well, if you do start from scratch, do like what Microsoft did, because that is the right way to go.

Before this, WM manufacturers can do any combination of hardware they like, just like windows. Of course, people buying low end, 200Mhz chip phone will say lag, those that use Marvell's 600+Mhz will say damn fast, and people come out with polarizing opinions. Just like what Android is doing today.

Now Microsoft already put their foot down, and list out minimum hardware specs before you can make one. Thanks to that, Microsoft narrows down the coding they have to do to a spesific base configuration - improves user experience tremendously and ensure that the experience between manufacturers not that jarring like WM6 last time.

Same like palm. Write from scratch, everyone says webOS very good mobile OS, but crap hardware torpedoed the phone early on.

Guess what? Two mobile OS that is evolutionary/fix what we have rather than revolutionary/write from scratch have the trivial, but seemed unfixable issues. They are Symbian and Blackberry. Both are in trouble on the smartphone front. (Nokia safe la because they manufacture cheap, AK47 class phones - got a spare Nokia flash phone just in case )

No, you can't really treat keyboard as an app, just like no one actually write app to control phone functions. It's more or less written to give these services real time power over every other functions, less you have situation where you cannot key in anything in the keyboard if something freezes - case in point - resetting frozen device.

That's the key here - Android. When android was designed, it was designed with touch screen as a focus - according to the specs, it would only support capacitive.

The problem with Symbian is that it wasn't designed with Touch screen in mind - It was sort of grafted on when Nokia realized that they needed to be in the touch screen business. Hence the trouble they have implementing soft keyboard. Opera took the trouble to write their own Qwerty soft keyboard into the latest Opera for symbian. That should indicate how easy it is to tap into Symbian's soft keyboard implementation.

Symbian smartphone battery indicators are like a bunch of chocolates. You'd never know how much actual power you have, until it's too late.

Look at it this way.

Best camera.

Anodized Aluminium Body

Capacitive screen

HDMI Out

USB On the Go

FM Transmitter (Okay, streching a bit)

Real-time Widgets

Etc.. In a slim body.

And Nokia STILL Can't freaking fix the soft key input? Or Copy it? Or whatever? Either they won't, or they can't. I'm inclined to believe the latter. Because that's the only excuse that's acceptable and logical.

Yep. That's my point. Only two OS to me got trouble with touch input. Blackberry and Symbian, bot of which weren't designed with touch screen in mind.

Guys! I just found out, N8 don't have flash! Cannot play youtube in browser!

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...t=0&p=37200856&

Oh no!!!!!!

Guys, just follow the link ler. Some fandroid I think spreading nonsense there. Claim to have tested Evo 4G some more. Dare to post in the Symbian forum lagi.