When you're going to pay RM1.7K for a thing you tend to be picky.It's normal for wanting the best for that kind of money.

talk about N8 speaker, yeah its kinda soft. but pretty acceptable for me

When you buy iPhone you get free app.It's called "chick magnet"
Girls will be attracted to the guys with iPhone.Course the guys won't mind the price.

why dont you just went to Finland to buy n8 ? sure have blue color , but made in Finland or not i'm not sure.
By the way, all the component are from same source no matter you assemble in china or finland.

In short, i dun trust MIC food and electronics. Haha, i'd day lucky if i can get made in vietnam, or korea, or any country other than China and iddle east (Azerbaijan & Arab), but M'sia doesnt take phones from middle east (far more expensive). Finland ah? No nid say la. M'sia love China products a lot wan. Ambil stock RM 2, RM 3 each, sell RM 20, RM 30 each, untung mah - especially Pasar Malam Clothes!! My uncle is Cina procut wholesaler, he say 1 shirt only RM 3 like that for normal one, more exp one also RM 5 only.

A good news for n8 users
Remember that n8 cpu is underclock. We might seee true clock speed in the future.

Someone say, N8 current hardware is to prepare for future enhancement. I really hope so.

Maybe I should step in to put the Made in China, Made in Finland nonsense to rest.

All Nokia phones undergo the same stringent quality assurance as all devices are made by Nokia.  It is only the location which is different.  For N8, it is assembled at Nokia factories located in Finland and China due to the strategic locations provided for Nokia's global markets.  This is to ensure that our launch demand is sufficiently met which in turn ensures that Asia Pacific region is being served with the earliest launch possible.

You may also see other models with Made in Hungary, made in Mexico, made in Korea etc.  Rest assured, these are all Nokia factories and not factories working under contract for Nokia.

If you examine any other devices, they also have devices made in different countries to ensure their products are logistically efficient in serving the market.

I understand that there is the stigma of inferior Chinese products but let's be honest here, there is no affordable electronic device anymore in the world which doesn't have at least some components being manufactured in China.

P.S: iPhone is made in China, is it more inferior?  Brands will fight to ensure quality is being met to their standards regardless of geography.

I might not have changed so many phones like you have, but I started with 5110.  It seems that you have stuck throughout with Nokia so Nokia must have done something right to make you do that.

I'm sorry to hear that your experience with devices made in China were so bad but I doubt your statement partially.  This is because even phones assembled in Finland or Hungary sourced the same components from manufacturers in China or other countries.  It is just that final assembly is done in the different countries to allow for efficient delivering, warehousing and sourcing.  The quality issue you see might be due to different batches of components and as everyone who works in production know, quality varies greatly due to so many factors.  It is the responsibility of the manufacturer to control the process and ensure acceptable quality.  Therefore, it is not an issue of geography but an issue of a certain batch of devices manufactured at a certain time, with a certain degree of quality.

The only battery recall I remember from Nokia was in 2007 and that particular batch was made by Matsushita.  If you can kindly state your source of exploding batteries from China, I'd love to find out why. (just curious, because I don't deal with accessories).

Your statement of failure rate of 3% is consistent with all consumer electronic devices in the market.  As the manufacturing process become more stable, quality will only increase from here onwards.

FYI: The field failure rate of 3% on a new device will make lots of my colleagues breaking open bottles of champagne.

I don't want to sound like a d*** but it is always those who are unlucky to get a defect are the ones who are complaining the most.  Hence the effect of the loudest minority which amplifies the issue.

I'm not sure about Malaysian consumer laws, but manufacturing defects are fully covered by warranty so just return the device and Nokia will definitely repair it.

SAR levels are due to the antenna design and has nothing to do with quality during assembly.  Also, we aim for low SAR levels, not up to a recommended level as you stated.  The lower the better.  Also SAR has nothing to do with quality but more as a health issue requirement by the respective certification authorities (like SIRIM).

Antenna design is fixed during R&D and not at manufacturing.  During firmware flashing after assembly, the antenna is tuned and tested to ensure all power levels are within range and functionality.

Where did you hear that QC in China never cares about this?  The firmware flashing and testing are all automated and if the device fails it will never leave the factory.  Even the QC dept can't say just let it through because we have internal audits.  Remember, all device is uniquely tagged with an IMEI.

BTW, if you can provide sources specifically comparing the difference between Nokia models made in China and made in Finland, I would like to see it too.  Maybe then I have something to talk about with my colleagues in China.

Sorry to hear about the warranty issue.  But you wouldn't believe what some people do to their phones.  So it's only fair that the manufacturer investigate that it is a valid warranty claim.  Most of the time, the consumer will get the benefit of the doubt.

wao all no sleep yet
wan to ask
buy a n8 , finland and other country got what different?
warranty also not same from nokia?

jz provide the guy any sources u can

he works in nokia finland

well 4 out of 50 insn't tht bad?

haven' got my n8 yet....haven't got any buyers for my 3gs

I'm working in Nokia Germany in R&D as mechanical engineer.  I admit I can't prove that non-China assembled devices are of better quality neither can you prove that China-made are not.  Maybe that is why there are no apparent differences.  Quality issues you encounter might be due to the sheer volume of devices in Malaysia from China and the lack of European made devices.  E.g. You have 4/100 saying defect detected from China-made device while 0/5 from Finland.  Does that mean that there is 4% defect rate from China while 0% from Finland?  If you say yes, I would like to have a talk with your statistics teacher.

I have nothing to cover regarding China quality issue and Nokia as itself is an open and transparent company.  This is one of the main reasons that I continue to work and enjoy working at Nokia.

I will not deny the fact that manufacturing defects do occur, but I do not agree that made in China is inferior.  If that is the case, Nokia Beijing will cease to exist and will not be beating the European Nokia sites in terms of margins and volumes.  In business, if you do not ensure quality, you stop existing.  Simple as that.

Regarding the 4 users who are having problems, just return it to the nearest Nokia Care Center.  I know it is frustrating to have a defective device but this is life.  I can't help personally in the problems which they are having but Nokia has the proper channels to do so.  I only reply here as best I can on a personal note, based on my experience and as a long-time user of Nokia mobile devices.  I'm not officially in Nokia PR neither am I in charge of manufacturing quality (as I'm in mechanical design reliability).

It is not an easy process controlling all the quality levels of so many components from all over the world at a volume such as Nokia is producing (as of now more than 17 phones a second).  The amount of logistics and planning needed is out of my personal ability to comprehend.  But rest assured, any quality issues are being addressed and all feedback from the field are being collected.

I admit, I complain a lot internally regarding a lot of issues.  But that is what I like about the company, we are open to all kinds of criticism and we learn and improve.  Of course, we try to catch all problems but sometimes the management decision is to go ahead.

Regarding the antenna tuning, it is an automated process.  Consistent parameters across all Nokia sites.  So I don't see how Finland can be better than China.  If you have the chance to visit a factory, you'll know what I mean.

On a more personal note, if you happen to be in Germany, you'll be sure to have a beer on me and we can discuss further (or just drink more beer).

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Added on October 22, 2010, 4:14 am

I respect your right to choose.  However, I can't help you much in identifying which is made in Finland.  Hope you can find one.

FYI: My unit is made in Finland.

My problem might  be caused by the display, which can be blame on the supplier of the display.
As for how it passed the QC, actually it's not noticeable under normal conditions. When I show it to the customer service, she don't see the problem as well, then show to  technician, the technician also took some time to check through and blame  the picture quality. Even I show  them the picture I took, difference between the demo set and mine, also they can't verify, luckily another customer send in an N8 later (I  think for software flashing or  something), finally we're able to make the comparison and accept for further check/repair.

You may say how the QC pass this; but remember, QC are done by human, regardless of race or where the QC is done; It can by pass naked eye easily as it's not really noticeable unless you check in detail. Beside, they might not know of this problem with the display. Now, since it's known, Nokia can highlight this to the QC department to add this into their QC checking list.

Since this is a parts problem, it doesn't really matter where this unit is assembled or QC, unless the QC person managed to see it that is. Who knows, maybe some customers also have this issue but they don't know about it and thought it was normal. Under normal conditions, it's really not noticeable.

Now, the problem I want to highlight is not the failure, but to provide a GOOD SERVICE & SUPPORT.
I've put in suggestion to Nokia during the Ranger even "No matter how good a product is, it's useless if the services and support is bad".
Since this N8 is new, all the centres don't have the parts or even know much of the N8, they don't even have an N8 in their centre to do comparison; IMHO, they should have everything ready BEFORE they launch the N8, also the parts. Imagine someone who buy the device and face problem, have to go through the hassle of warranty claims (which should be fast and easy procedure), and then have to wait for parts....
This thing applies to ANY products; For MY, another very apparent one is the auto-industry, which has very poor after-sales services and support.

Done some testing on the N8 AMOLED screen current usage (power consumption) and make a chart out of it, just as previous some other site stated the AMOLED screen do draw lots of power when it's displaying white color...

TS, you might need to add this to FP for reference... 

N8 AMOLED Screen Power Usage Table:

wanna ask, can n8 play fb game?

really? tried connecting my n8 to my slim 500gb buffalo, then my hdd make beeping sound like it cant be read. will try agn later with another hdd. fear might corrupt hdd

really? tried connecting my n8 to my slim 500gb buffalo, then my hdd make beeping sound like it cant be read. will try agn later with another hdd. fear might corrupt hdd