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jessy123
post Sep 6 2011, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Mar 12 2011, 01:08 PM)
I read your post well and clear. Did you read my reply? It doesn't matter whether you're first name, second name, third name, second buyer (what kind of terms are those anyway?) OR even if you purchase 1/20000 of an undivided share in the property, you have to fill up the Form CKHT2A and submit it to LHDN.

Your details will be stated in the back of your co-purchaser's CKHT 2A under "maklumat pemeroleh yang lain" and vice versa.

Each purchaser fills up an individual CKHT 2A to be submitted to LHDN.

If your lawyer did not prepare an individual Form CKHT2A for you to sign, then he's a .....

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hi Dario

just wondering if the following can be deducted against the RPGT payable for sale of property ;-

1) renovation cost
2) legal fee
3) Bank interest
4) maintenance
5) interior furnishing ie furniture, electrical items, lightings etc..

as property is sold as fully furnished...

what else if any?

Thanks
jessy123
post Sep 6 2011, 11:03 PM

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hi Dario

if there is a discrepancy between the S&P and title with regards to the balance of years on a leasehold property, which one should
be taken as the right one? Title ?

If so, Is it then necessary to have the S&P rectified before I sell the prop?

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jessy123
post Sep 7 2011, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Sep 7 2011, 04:21 PM)
Title.
No need, as long as correct information is reflected in the new SPA.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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thank you so much, Dario..

you have been a great help to us forumers..we all do owe you loads of lunches! tongue.gif
jessy123
post Oct 25 2011, 01:15 PM

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Hi Dario

if the letter of offer does not state when the S&P should be signed as the vendor is waiting for the purchaser to get his loan approved, can it be based
on market practice (as in 14 - 21 days) otherwise, the vendor or purchaser can opt to drag the signing of S&P for as long as they want? In this case
effective date from date of loan approval?

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post Oct 25 2011, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Oct 25 2011, 09:08 PM)
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If it doesn't state, then the vendor is at a disadvantage as the purchaser can take his own sweet time to apply for loans with several banks and slowly decide as to which to choose before signing the SPA. In the law of contracts, market practice does not apply to vary/amend/insert any terms of the letter of offer. What matters is what was agreed and executed upon by both parties.

What needs to be determined is if the letter of offer is such that it forms a binding contract between the parties.

Two scenarios:

1) If the purchaser has paid 2% deposit to the vendor, then there is a binding contract as consideration (via the 2%) has moved from the purchaser. The letter of offer is a binding contract and parties are bound by its terms. If the vendor does not stipulate a fixed timeframe for the purchaser to finalise and execute a SPA, it can be inferred that the time given is indefinite. As scary as it may sound, in reality, it would not drag too long as surely the purchaser would want to settle in his new home as well.

2) If the purchaser has not paid any deposit to the vendor but merely executes a letter of offer, then it can be argued that there is no binding contract as no consideration of any kind moved from the purchaser to the vendor. All the purchaser did was offer to purchase, and the vendor accepted, but nothing was given to the vendor to 'bind' the vendor to honour that acceptance of the purchaser's offer.

In  scenario (2), the vendor can unilaterally terminate the letter of offer. However, it would be prudent to first give the purchaser a timeframe (even if the letter of offer does not stipulate one) - perhaps a letter from the vendor's solicitor to the purchaser (or his solicitor), giving him a further 7 days to prepare and send a draft SPA to the vendor's solicitors, failing which the letter of offer would be terminated and be of no further effect.

Another situation where no consideration has passed is where the 2% was given to the purchaser's solicitors as stakeholder pending approval of purchaser's loan. If the loan is not approved, all of the 2% would be returned to the purchaser. Once again, I am of the opinion that this would fall under scenario (2), as no real consideration has passed to the vendor. If the vendor has the right to forfeit the 2%, then yes, there is some consideration. Otherwise, there is nothing to bind the vendor.

Consideration does not need to be adequate, it just need to be sufficient. In other words, it doesn't need to be 2%. Even if it is RM1.00 from the purchaser, which the vendor accepts, it is enough to form a binding contract, as sufficient consideration has moved from the purchaser to the vendor.

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Thanks Dario as always for the detailed advice... thumbup.gif


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post Nov 10 2011, 05:42 PM

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Hi Dario

Have a good and safe trip!

I have a question but this can wait until you get back on monday..I am in the process of finalizing the signing of the S&P for a landed prop (leasehold) and the
purchaser (foreigner married to local) has requested that i rent the house to him.. I have not agreed to rent it to him yet as he gave me a lot of hassle during the initial process up till now and he seems like a difficult person so I am a little hesitant.

If i decide to rent to him, what are the important points i should include in the tenancy agreement to ensure that i am adequately protected that will cover all possibilities while waiting for the completion of the sale ? For eg. what happens if he moves in and start to find fault with this and that even though the house is sold as it is? he has requested that i paint and clean the house first which i will do so even though I really dont have to ..he viewed the house when it was tenanted and the tenants were people who were adverse to cleaning ..there was no verbal or written agreement that the house should be painted or cleaned or the garden mowed for that matter..

What if he does not pay the rent and his lawyer cant recover it from him? btw his lawyer is half past six so another nightmare..

What if consent cant be obtained for whatever reason and how long does it take to evict him and at what cost?

so many what ifs...ai..

can i have your advice pls?

Many thanks as always..

Regards

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jessy123
post Nov 15 2011, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Nov 15 2011, 01:11 PM)
The most important thing is regarding the condition of the house. You need to reflect the rental in the SPA and the purc must agree that the house is sold on an as-is-where-is basis at the time of the viewing and that the purc would be responsible to make good any defect to the house in the event the SPA is aborted for any reason whatsoever, AND another clause that you are no longer responsible for the condition of the house at the completion of the SPA. Clauses to that effect (it ought to be more detailed - your lawyer ought to know how to draft it) should protect your interest. So, your tenancy agreement is not that important - that would reflect more on the rental to be paid, etc. It is your SPA which has to be more encompassing to include all eventualities in the event the SPA is aborted (SPAs are only important and referred to when things go WRONG only,right?  smile.gif )

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How much would depend from law firm to law firm. Some expensive, some cheap cheap. One thing for sure is that you must first consider the money paid for fees and outstanding rental (evem if it is double rental) as a bad debt. This is because in most cases, then they do leave the premises, you would not be able to trace them and to enforce the Court Order would cost even more for you in legal fees. So you spend good money chasing bad money.

So, do think it over properly before deciding if it is worth it to rent it to him. Has his loan been approved? That is an important factor as well. If his loan has been approved one stumbling block has been removed and the chances of the SPA to be completed would improve.

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Hi Dario thank you very much for the detailed reply..
yes, his loan has been approved and i have seen a copy of the letter...smile.gif

so if the S&P has been signed (supposed to be signed today), is it possible to include additional clauses covering the tenancy in a supplement - meaning this should be read together with SPA in the event the transaction is aborted?

should it be mentioned that in the event that the house is renovated or improved in any way during the tenancy, i will not be responsible for compensating him if the S&P is aborted due to whatever reason?

yes good idea to collect the rent in advance..smile.gif actually i dont mind renting to him but i rather not rent if he is an unreasonable character..dont know lah as met him only twice - he will push for this and that and when i stand my ground, he will usually back off...I garang ma..Ha ha!









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post Nov 15 2011, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Nov 15 2011, 03:39 PM)
Yes, you can include new clauses in a supplementary agreement BUT your current SPA must first stipulate that parties can agree to include further additional clauses in the said supplementary agreement. I would recommend postponing the SPA for a few days (if the purc doesn't mind) and include all the terms in one go. Better and less hassle. If possible, try to do so, or else go for supp agreement.
Not only that, but do provide for the costs to dismantle or remove any fittings to be borne by him. Even renovation of structures - let's say he wants to break a wall to extend a room - what happens if (worst case scenario) - the SPA is aborted? I'm sure you would want him to basically reconstruct the wall and restore your house to its previous position. What if he paints the house with some colour which does not match your taste? If SPA aborted, would you have to bear the costs of re-painting the house with a colour of your choice? He ought to reimburse you for that. As such, do keep in mind the need for a clause to cover such scenarios.

Better still if you prohibit him from doing any major renovations at least until the first drawdown to redeem your existing loan is completed (am assuming that your prop is encumbered). That would be a safe timeframe. Once first drawdown is out, you can rest assured that the bank will thereafter release the balance purchase price (assuming that all other factors like stamping of the DOA/MOT has been done and perfected/registered).
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Ok, thanks a million Dario rclxms.gif
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post Nov 26 2011, 09:31 AM

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hi Dario

with regards to the caveat - does that mean its only useful to place a caveat only on the prop if the title is already out?

usually the lawyers will not place a caveat unless the client specifically request for it since additional fees are payable?

is it necessary for the purchaser to inform the vendor that he/she has placed a caveat on the prop?

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post Nov 27 2011, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Nov 27 2011, 02:46 AM)
Hi Jessy,

Yes, it is only needed when title is already out.

If it is still under Master Title, there's no reason to worry as the vendor can't do anything - title is still under the developer or proprietor's name [The proprietor in this case refers to the landowner who enters into a JV with the developer].
Here's the thing - it depends on the lawyer in question. There's no hard and fast rule. It depends on the honesty (or knowledge) of the lawyer and how much they have the best interests of their client at heart.

No, not at all. In some SPAs a clause is inserted whereby the vendor consents to the lodgement of a private caveat. However, even if the clause is not inserted, it is understood and is common practice that the purchaser has a caveatable interest once he pays the 10% downpayment upon execution of SPA.

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many thanks Dario.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

Dario :i have one more query

for application for State consent to charge - this is what i got from my lawyer (SPA& Loan ). Is this reasonable please?

Legal fee - RM300
Service tax of 6% - 18

Disbursements
CTC title - RM50
Processing fee for state consent - 50
registration fee for consent to charge - 50
travelling - 50 (this is on top of the RM200 travelling fee for loan doc + 50 for miscl + and RM200 for travelling fee again for SPA + 50 for miscl ..again)
Attestation fee - 10

total 528

sigh..my lawyer really sucks big time..! so am going over all her charges with a fine tooth comb...as i see a pattern of overcharging and
unnecessary charges ..seems like i am an ATM to her..! mad.gif

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post Nov 27 2011, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Nov 27 2011, 03:15 PM)
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Why are you paying for all this? It's supposed to be borne by vendor. It's the vendor's duty to obtain consent.  smile.gif
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OMG..now i am going to take her head off! tongue.gif

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post Nov 27 2011, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Nov 27 2011, 06:00 PM)
My mistake.  notworthy.gif Take my head off instead!  sweat.gif
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ke ke..no prob lah..! we need your head intact so you are around to give us more legal advice..smile.gif

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