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post Apr 8 2011, 06:12 PM

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For loan agreement like HSBC cases, the bank/advisory want us lawyer to give a fresh copy of bankruptcy search not more than 7 days from the date they receive. Every Bankruptcy Search have a date below corner on the right. Normally we do it once at redemp title and another 1 is at then final release of money.

For condo cases, We as loan lawyer for our client we definately have to do bankruptcy search on developer and proprietor. Company Search RM13 at SSM for any company involving in the transaction.


Added on April 8, 2011, 6:24 pmteoanne: if the developer company is under official assignee then most likely got problem with it.

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post Apr 12 2011, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(tankv22 @ Apr 12 2011, 03:08 PM)
Hi dario,

Thanks for your help! Appreciate that. What is the normal disbursement cost?
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The law firm charge you on other disbursement is at high side. shocking.gif

You should ask the boss to reduce it.

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post Apr 14 2011, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Apr 14 2011, 02:38 PM)
Alright. But how come no charges for withdrawal of private caveat?  hmm.gif
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Agree!!! nod.gif

Surt-it: Remember to remind the lawyer to amend the bill. Don't keep quiet ya.
Service Tax 6% not 5%. Ask him to add.
11) Bankruptcy Search didn't bill you. Remember to ask him to add ya
14) Too Low, Imagine amount of paper use.


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post Apr 14 2011, 03:59 PM

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Surt-it: Ok, I got it.
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post Apr 15 2011, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(ykl @ Apr 14 2011, 07:48 PM)
Hi, may i know is the bankruptcy search for loan agreement is searching who? i kena charge 80 and call up the lawyer say suppose to be 12/pax and she saying that not only search on the borrower only but also the developer la, this and that la... is this true?
the other thing like land search she say need do 2 time one time is RM30
and when i ask for the receipt from her she say cannot la, stamping no receipt la, the troublesome to pass all receipt la, this and that...

Just wish to know what is our right? Lawyer also hard to be trusted... aih...
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Bro, Call up the Jabatan Insolvency or MYEG company to know how much. MYEG also got advertise in TV. smile.gif

Bankruptcy Search need to be done on all party involve. Purchaser, Vendor, Developer and Proprietor. Without them, the process will get stuck and cann't proceed.

Land Search you can call up the land office or go have a visit if you want to.

If you don't trust your lawyer, go to your lawyer office to check it out from them. You can ask the leng lui incharge the file bring out your file and see it yourself in the signing room. After everything complete.

It is quite troublesome to deliver all those receipt to you by mail or courier or fax.




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post Apr 22 2011, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(Secret_Garden @ Apr 22 2011, 04:12 PM)
Hi dariofoo,

This is the quote i get from lawyer . Do you think the below following charges are reasonable?

Homesmart Facility:  RM669,300.00   
Customer: 
Type of Facility: Developer - Under Construction - with title 
 
Legal Fees                                                                          RM RM
1. Facility Agreement (RM5,135.10  less 35% HDA rebate)  3,338.00
2. 1st Charge                                                            513.50
3. Power of Attorney                                                    513.50
4. Entry & Withdrawal of Private Caveat                    350.00
5. Consent to Charge                                                    300.00
Legal Fees before tax         
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if not mistaken, underconstruction no need entry & withdrawal private caveat. hmm.gif



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post Apr 26 2011, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Kelvin5717 @ Apr 26 2011, 04:33 PM)
I wan to know are they allow to do this ? increase all of the sudden, if they have told me need 800 more when i give my offer letter from bank for them for the S&P, i might have already go for the other Lawyer !!!!
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All law firm are the same. Even you get the best discount, they will have less care on your file and end up getting fatter interest rate. (Just my opinion)

You haven't mention out which bank you get your loan.

For HSBC Loan, it is confirm that there is extra document need to prepare compare to conventional loan. Depend on how much loan you take as well.


Added on April 26, 2011, 11:45 pm
QUOTE(Kelvin5717 @ Apr 26 2011, 04:33 PM)
RM800 so much ?? just for 3 additional paper ??? What can i do ? as i do not wan to delay my purchase and got the key late ???? please help  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Even you change it to conventional loan, you will not entitled for 20% Stamp Duty discount extra. I would suggest you to continue it with Islamic Loan as it balance up with extra legal fees. thumbup.gif

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post Apr 27 2011, 10:50 AM

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Islamic Loan requires extra 3 legal document and each cost around RM200 to RM300. By calculation it is around there.

If you are not willing to pay the additional RM800 then it is best to convert back to conventional loan.

I think your banker will able to explain the difference between Islamic Loan and Conventional Loan. Something like Syariah Law and Malaysia Law difference. Terms use differently.






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post May 17 2011, 11:28 AM

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Item 6 - You need to inform the developer that you are going to purchase that unit from vendor and in the letter itself stated alot of information which benefit you. Beside that developer will attach the management bill like sinking fund, Insurance, water charges etc etc which vendor still owing. From there, you will need to ask the vendor to settle it before transfering to you.

Item 9 - It is advisable to let the lawyer do without going through any hassle. Normally lawyer is use to it and there is no answer simple or complicated. (Just have to do it) Work as usual. biggrin.gif

My opinion.
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post May 17 2011, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(ehlee @ May 17 2011, 09:12 PM)
Need your urgent help on the below matter.
I have paid the booking fees with 3% to buy the house which total RM110k. In my booking slip it stated clearly that "if loan no approved, the vendor will fully refund the earnest deposit". Now i applied 2 loan, and one is accepted and one is rejected. Rejected one i dun wan to mentioned d. For the accepted one, i kena con by the agent who approach me to said that OCBC is offering me 3 years lock in period and legal fees will be borned by bank. however, it turn to nightmare as i received the OCBC letter of offer to said that 5 years lock in period and legal fees will be bear by myself. As such, i have spoken to the OCBC agent and she did said is her fault.
Now i dun wan that 5 years lock in period as too long for me and that legal fees i need to bear is big burden for myself. i would like to call off the deal.
What if i provide the rejection letter to the vendor. can i use the above clause stated in booking slip to ask for my full refund?

for your information, the above 2 loan application is recomended by the vendor's real estate agent.
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Based on my understanding, you can request the banker to change it to 3 yrs and you will waste another 1 week +++ for new letter offer. Another option will be get a photocopy of OCBC letter offer and pass it to other bank Banker to change it to 3yr lock in period. Before you act upon another option that I suggest to you, Please go to the OCBC banker 1st and ask her to change to 3 yrs. Please appreciate bankers hardwork.

For your information, Loan Legal Fees is bear by the client itself and not the bank.

Yes, you can use the clause stated in the booking slip as excuse to abort the transaction. smile.gif

Dariofoo: Let me help you abit and those haven't I am not good at it. notworthy.gif

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post May 17 2011, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(ehlee @ May 17 2011, 11:11 PM)
thanks for your info, bro.
problem is the agent told me everything also can. but end up everyting tak boleh. if really tak boleh, i myself juz walk to other bank and ask at early stage.
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Welcome, you can wait for dariofoo for second opinion.

Mortgage Section at properties pin up there. Alot of banker there and you can ask them come to collect your document actually. smile.gif
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post May 19 2011, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ May 19 2011, 09:10 PM)
haserain:
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It's ok except for bankruptcy search which costs RM12/pax.

If it's your first property then you get 50% rebate on stamping on deed of assignment ya.

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Bro,

Deed of Assignment RM300 normally we have to charge the client ? rclxub.gif

Most of my client I didn't put in.

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post May 19 2011, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(eastern @ May 19 2011, 10:11 PM)
Hi sifus,

Pardon my ignorance here.

I just would like to know on the SPA, do the lawyers quote the price of the property or the loan amount (90% of the property price)?

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They quote on the price of the property amount. smile.gif
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post May 22 2011, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ May 22 2011, 04:20 PM)
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You did not mention the purchase price and loan sum but it's ok - you can check both using the calculator on the first page.

Deed of mutual covenants for RM200?
Miscellaneous for RM100?
Download the SRO on the first page and ask the lawyer to justify both charges.

You also did not mention whether it's the same lawyer.  doh.gif

Adjudication fee               10.00
* It's free as it's online these days.

Land search fees               90.00
* RM30-50/seach

Bankruptcy search                            50.00
* RM12/pax. No need to do twice if same lawyer.

Affirming & Stamping SD                           50.00
* RM4/affirm per doc and stamping RM10/copy.

Postage/courier/telephone              50.00                                 
Travelling                          200.00 

* X2 = RM500 which is ex if same lawyer.

The above advice is always subject to a caveat - if you had asked for a rebate, the disbursements would've been deliberately been marked up to make up for the deficit.

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The lawyer forgot to charge in Power of Attorney : RM 378-90. Tang: Remember to ask him to add. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post May 23 2011, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ May 23 2011, 01:52 AM)
Why the need for PA when there's individual title and there will be a charge entered as opposed to a DOA?  hmm.gif
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I don't know, and will find it out later. I just know about clerk work like how to do, stages and normally bank require PA.
What I see like all HSBC cases definately have a PA no matter with/without strata title and landed or non landed. smile.gif

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ May 23 2011, 04:18 PM)
How did you know that it was HSBC when it was never mentioned?  sweat.gif
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Just follow letter instruction and letter offer and surely it is stated there.

Like HSBC bank PA is compulsory.
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post Jun 15 2011, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Jun 15 2011, 01:21 PM)
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If you had asked for 'rebate' on your fees, then it is normal for them to mark up to make up for the deficit. If you are paying fees in full, it's obvious that they are overcharging you and also charging you for unnecessary and unallowed matters.

I suggest that you get a 2nd quotation or even a 3rdicon_rolleyes.gif
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kmf:Normally it is done by the bank panel lawyer even ad hoc cannot do it. I would suggest you to find atleast 10 firms. rclxm9.gif

Let us know how you feel and share your experience. rclxms.gif

I normally fong fei kei to those ppl who ask donut.

Dariofoo: (I think I can give some opinion)
Even the bank panel lawyer over charge the client, the law firm cann't by pass the HSBC HQ as the person in charge who release the legal fees
knows the correct billing and will erase the unrelated or unwanted charges.







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QUOTE(kmf165 @ Jun 16 2011, 04:33 PM)
Hi Seremban_2 biggrin.gif

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If they are brothers? tongue.gif
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Thanks for the sarcastic feedback and Agree with it. When I face a client wants discount, I normally mark up and give them discount which is actually the same normal bill. But when he post on the net and there is how I kena la. doh.gif

Give up or think of ways.

Good luck in getting your refund on rebate. icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on June 16, 2011, 10:27 pm
QUOTE(kmf165 @ Jun 16 2011, 04:33 PM)
10 firms?
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I assume your property in KL that's why I guess roughly 10 firms which is bank panel list.

50 in malaysia. Don't tell me you go down or up malaysia example Batu Pahat HSBC panel lawyer or Seremban HSBC panel lawyer to get it done right?


Added on June 16, 2011, 10:43 pm
QUOTE(kmf165 @ Jun 16 2011, 04:33 PM)

Anyway, I will still check with them on what Dario mentioned. Especially bankruptcy search, kenapa banyak kali? tak pecaya aku belum bankrupt kah?  mad.gif

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It is standard procedure leng chai.

Before sending for advise to bank redemp the property fresh bankruptcy is needed and there is expiry date for it. Redemp once and final advise another time.

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post Jul 15 2011, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Jul 15 2011, 07:12 PM)
Just wondering, did you ask for a discount from the lawyer?  hmm.gif
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Definately he/she ask for discount la. vmad.gif bruce.gif bruce.gif bruce.gif bruce.gif

Damn angry now. mad.gif

Malaysia famous of asking discount. Come to my stall buy handphone sure ask discount. Must mark up like other stall and then give back them discount for entertaining purpose. laugh.gif

Even too many developer, too many handphone shop, too many mamak stall, too many chinese restaurant, too many Real Estate Agent, alot of banker, alot of IT personal and etc.


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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Jul 18 2011, 01:46 PM)
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Then you just get the new calculation, and pay him accordingy la and the lawyer earns the scaled fees accordingly.

And everyone lives happily ever after.

The end.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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