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TSdariofoo
post Dec 16 2010, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(xSean @ Dec 16 2010, 04:38 PM)
thanks dariofoo,

another question, my lawyer asked prepare cheque for remaining deposit to seller. i tot cheque payable to seller name but my lawyer ask to prepare for seller's lawyer...
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No problem as long as there's instruction in writing by the vendor's solicitor to your solicitor. Or perhaps it is stated so in the agreement.

That is between the vendor and his lawyer, so you don't have to worry. nod.gif
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post Dec 17 2010, 02:59 AM

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Hye guys!

Heres the problem Ive asked around even few of my "lawyer" friends but they couldnt give me a straight answer.

I want to buy a 300k worth condo and im a cash buyer.Last time i bought a house from family member the law firm gave us this break down.

1. upon signing SPA 10%
2. 6 months period to pay out the balance (90%)

Now I want to know if the 6 months period can be longer or thats the maximum period for the 90% balance?

The reason why i ask this not due to money issue/installment payment is simply because within 6 months i can invest the 90% in lot of stuff and regenerate more money with the money.

Hope you guys can give a decent answer.

Thanks in advance!
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post Dec 17 2010, 10:57 AM

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The 6 month duration could be a rough figure as the property in question may have been a leasehold property of which the transfer to the purchaser is subject to the State Authority's consent.

Coming to your case in hand, the procedure would be like this:

* assuming that property is freehold, has strata title, that the vendor is represented by a solicitor and that vendor has an existing loan, hence the property is still encumbered (charged to the bank):

1) Upon signing the SPA - pay 10% to the vendor's solicitor - after that your solicitor will lodge a caveat upon the title to protect your interest;
2) Since you're buying cash, you would need to deposit the balance 90% in your solicitor's client's account;

* This is important as you are not obtaining a loan, and as such, the 90% balance would be the balance purchase price.

3) The vendor's solicitor would obtain a redemption statement from the vendor's existing financier to find out the sum needed to redeem (loosely speaking, 'to settle') the loan;
4) Once the redemption statement is out, it will be given to your solicitor, and your solicitor would forward a cheque to the vendor's solicitor to make the necessary payment to redeem the loan using the money which you had deposited in the client's account;

5) Once that is done, the vendor's solicitor will forward to existing financier the said cheque together with a discharge of charge to be executed by the financier;

6) Once the cheque is cleared, the financier would return the original security documents and the duly executed discharge of charge back to the vendor's solicitor, who would then forward it all, together with the fees for registration of the discharge of charge to your solicitor;

7) Your solicitor would then proceed to withdraw the caveat, discharge the charge and present the memorandum of transfer (MOT) to register the title in your favour;

8) Once the MOT has been duly presented for registration, it would be safe for your solicitor to pay the balance purchase price (less redemption sum already paid earlier) to the vendor, and you can collect your keys to your new home. nod.gif

Quite straightforward,right? For such SPAs, the completion date will be 3 months from the date of signing, and a further 1 month extended completion date upon expiration of the said 3 months. During the extended completion date, you would have to pay 8% of the balance purchase price being late penalty interest. This is normally called '3+1'

But you would have to bank in 90% immediately after signing the SPA. This is avoid any complications in the future, eg if you only pay 60% and then an emergency occurs and the balance you had in hand need to be pumped in to solve the problem. A prudent solicitor would demand for 90% to be banked in before proceeding further in cases of a cash purchaser.

Hope the above helps nod.gif
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Hi Dariofoo,

I just received a draft S&P from my solicitor. Is there any standard/sample S&P available online that I can view and compare with mine? I'm a first time buyer and not sure if the S&P is alright or maybe missing some clauses? It's a subsale purchase. Kindly advice... thanks.
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QUOTE(kiddo @ Dec 17 2010, 11:19 AM)
Hi Dariofoo,

I just received a draft S&P from my solicitor. Is there any standard/sample S&P available online that I can view and compare with mine? I'm a first time buyer and not sure if the S&P is alright or maybe missing some clauses? It's a subsale purchase. Kindly advice... thanks.
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No samples online that I know of. To be honest there are various types of S&Ps as the clauses are different according to the scenario. It's dangerous to compare with others.

I would suggest just reading it and if there's any clause which you don't understand, just ask your solicitor to explain. He has a duty to do so. But don't ask him to explain each and every clause la doh.gif tongue.gif

Trust your lawyer that he would've put in all the relevant clauses,bro, and leave the rest to him. nod.gif

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post Dec 17 2010, 04:06 PM

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Dariofoo,

thanks! it is quite straight forward.I would proceed with the owner on this advice..

Thanks alot may your present help others in many ways in future
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Hi, can I ask what is the disadvantage of buying a LEASEHOLD strata title property? Thank you in advance.
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post Dec 17 2010, 07:41 PM

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I've posted something on leasehold property at page 2 of this thread. Can you take a look first, and if you still have something on your mind, do come back and ask.

Cheers.
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post Dec 17 2010, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Dec 17 2010, 07:41 PM)
I've posted something on leasehold property at page 2 of this thread. Can you take a look first, and if you still have something on your mind, do come back and ask.

Cheers.
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1) Is the ownership transfer duration longer for leasehold subsale? How much longer than freehold?
2) Is it true that bank is hesitant to provide loan for leasehold property?

Thanks!
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post Dec 17 2010, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(shroom @ Dec 17 2010, 09:59 PM)
1) Is the ownership transfer duration longer for leasehold subsale? How much longer than freehold?
2) Is it true that bank is hesitant to provide loan for leasehold property?

Thanks!
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1) For some leasehold properties, the duration is longer as consent from the State Authority is required. Most of the time, 3 months is given to the vendor to obtain consent to transfer, so the 3 + 1 period only starts to run from the date consent is obtained. So, you're looking at 6 months at the longest. But that is just the general position. Sometimes, consent can be obtained in about 2-3 weeks as well. See how lucky you are, I guess.

2) Excellent question. In actual fact, there shouldn't be any difference between leasehold and freehold property as both are liable to acquisition by the government. Freehold land does not mean that the govt can't acquire it, and leasehold land doesn't mean that the govt can't extend the lease for another 99 years - or even convert it to freehold.

So there's actually nothing to worry when it comes to leasehold - but in reality, for some reason, there are 'stories' that banks are hesitant to offer loans for leasehold property. I do not know how much that rings true.

Perhaps some people are just saying that because their loan got rejected due to financial instability on their part and yet they find it convenient to blame the leasehold status as a reason for their loan being rejected! Get it?

I think that it shouldn't be the case, as I've explained above. Both types ought to be treated alike.

Some say that it is because leasehold land does not appreciate well enough in value. I think that appreciation is irrelevant to the bank as the property is valued at the time of purchase, and it's speculative value is not a basis in considering whether to award a loan or otherwise.

I wouldn't advise people who want to purchase leasehold property to refrain from doing so. I believe there is no way the govt will refuse to renew the lease when it's expiration is approaching. That would be what we call political suicide.

Don't worry - if the property's valuation is up to the mark, and your financial gearing is alright, there is no reason why the bank ought not offer you a loan to purchase a leasehold property. nod.gif

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post Dec 18 2010, 05:28 PM

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Thanks dariofoo for info and insights!

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I have bad experience with a banker plus the lawyer that she has engaged for us. I have bought a property for total sum 390K, and we have taken up the offer from UOB. The offer letter stated that the total fee for loan agreement was 7.3K (Finance to loan) which is extremely expensive for a (390K condo). I have told the banker that the fee is so expensive, but she have given the excuse this is estimate sum which normally they practice to topup to the loan, so that the purchaser would not have to fork out extra fee later.

Few days later, the lawyer firm (Firm A) has called up to arrange to sign the Loan Agreement. We went to their office and sign the agreement. Lastly we was presented with an invoice of total 7.3K, and they noted that this is the standard practice around the market which I was very upset as it’s contradict with what the banker explained.

I am so dissatisfied and have then tried to get a quote from another lawyer firm (Firm B); my heart was so pain that they only charge us for 5.8k for this loan agreement.

When comparing the charges, we noted that the Firm A has charge us for RM 500 for consultation and another RM300 for security document deposit. But indeed they did not consult us on anything plus I saw they took up the document from a book shelf. Not to mention they are charging us almost double on most of the itemize item.

LYF SIFU is the charges is a standard?

Can I complaint nor seek advice from the bar-council?
Any advice is appreciated. TQ! Cheers.


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Manufreak07,

To be honest, you would have to copy and paste the whole itemised invoice here for us to take a look and advise you. This is too general. hmm.gif

However, the RM500 for consultation is ridiculous. The scaled fees for preparing the loan documentation includes consultation and advice rendered to client.

At least you did the smart thing by getting a second quotation. That is what I would advise others as well - don't stick to just one quotation. Try a few and compare. Be a smart customer.

With regard to a complaint, you can do so but at the end of the day, you decided not engage them at all, so essentially you did not suffer any loss. It was a mere quotation and since you did not act on it, you have no contractual relationship with them anyway.

So any complaint you make will not go that far, unless you want to bring this matter to Bar Council's attention as a matter of public interest. hmm.gif

It's up to you. nod.gif
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Hi all, I'm not sure if its right to post a question here. during the recent budget tabled, I read that the 50% stamp duty can be waived or discounted for first home buyers of rm350k value or below. May i know if it has been confirmed? reason for me asking is because i have a rm300k property waiting for the SNP to be confirm in early Jan 2011. any insights will be greatly appreciated.
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I have a dilemma here. The bank that I got the loan from asked me if I want to use the same lawyer (my lawyer is also the panel of the bank) for the loan processing as well. However, I am worry that if there are any disputes arises, would the lawyer standby the bankers instead of me?

Though it's cheaper to have a lawyer do it all but I am not sure if this is worth it if there are any issues. Any of you have any experience dealing with this?
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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Dec 21 2010, 11:52 AM)
Hi all, I'm not sure if its right to post a question here. during the recent budget tabled, I read that the 50% stamp duty can be waived or discounted for first home buyers of rm350k value or below. May i know if it has been confirmed? reason for me asking is because i have a rm300k property waiting for the SNP to be confirm in early Jan 2011. any insights will be greatly appreciated.
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If what PM said in the Budget can be trusted, all SPAs signed 1st Jan 2011 onwards will be eligible nod.gif


Added on December 21, 2010, 2:45 pm
QUOTE(L7Awesome @ Dec 21 2010, 02:01 PM)
I have a dilemma here.  The bank that I got the loan from asked me if I want to use the same lawyer (my lawyer is also the panel of the bank) for the loan processing as well.  However, I am worry that if there are any disputes arises, would the lawyer standby the bankers instead of me? 

Though it's cheaper to have a lawyer do it all but I am not sure if this is worth it if there are any issues.  Any of you have any experience dealing with this?
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Take some time to read the earlier posts in this thread. This issue has been dealt with previously. cheers.gif

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erhm... i detect a bit of sarcasm there... anyway, thanks for your reply. cheers.
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Thanks dariofoo for all the advice. I have attached the quote for your kind perusal.

But I have no choice to sign with them, as this is my third loan and I manage to apply before the 30:70 ruling. According to the banker if I want to change lawyer, they will cancel my loan and I need to reapply again, hence I need to fork out 30% deposit later. :'(
Besides that, if i change lawter definately it will delay the payment to the vendor which i might end up paying interest later.

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okay...im taking legal action against developer of my housing project...andari townvilla...and the firm is doing their research 1st...reason i take legal action against developer n all because i do feel cheated with the shitty facilities and extremely expensive maintainance and sinking funds..seriously f*** the developer....if any of u guys from same residential i recommend u pm me to take action the more people involve the easier to counter claim n all that shit...for my litigation and counter claim the legal firm charge quite cheap ....so quite easy n no need to worry about legal fees n all..no touting so im afraid i cant promote this legal firm here..but im 1 satiesfied client..hahahahha biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Dec 21 2010, 05:07 PM)
erhm... i detect a bit of sarcasm there... anyway, thanks for your reply. cheers.
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No sarcasm,bro, don't get me wrong. It's just that I've not heard of any official announcement by way of circular,etc on this matter, so that's why so far all that has been announced is still unofficial. If I do hear anything official, I'll definitely post it here for everyone's benefit. nod.gif

If anyone else has a copy of a circular on this, do post it here. nod.gif

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