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post Jan 24 2011, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(lovelyjona @ Jan 24 2011, 04:27 PM)
Yup. I am selling 2 houses at the same time. One more than 5 years and another one not (actually I bought over from my sister more than 5 years but I only did the s&p only on 2007 when refinancing sad.gif)

So if I 'tumpang' the lawyer from the 2 different buyers, then need to pay rm300 x 2 x 2...sad.gif....Therefore thinking to do it myself.....hopefully is not so hard.

Thanks bro, you help me a lot.  ^.^
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You're welcome. Are you going to do the discharge of charge/deed of R&R yourself too?
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post Jan 24 2011, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(lovelyjona @ Jan 24 2011, 04:41 PM)
Think discharge part will let the lawyer to handle it, they quote me 900 to 1k. Can do it ourself meh?
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QUOTE(lovelyjona @ Jan 24 2011, 04:41 PM)
Or u can help ppl to do this all? smile.gif
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post Jan 24 2011, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(lovelyjona @ Jan 24 2011, 05:04 PM)
oh...okok...then what is the steps to do the discharge myself? Hard?
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1) Apply to Bank for redemption statement (RS);
2) Chase Bank for RS;
3) Pass RS to purchaser's sol;
4) Collect cheque for redemption from purchaser's financier;
5) Prepare discharge of charge (DOC) documents;
6) Pass cheque to Bank together with DOC;
6) Chase Bank for original title and other docs;
7) Pass original title and other docs with cheque for payment of filing discharge of charge to purchaser's sol.

Hard or soft for you? sweat.gif
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post Jan 24 2011, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(jalsrix @ Jan 24 2011, 05:11 PM)
By financier, do you mean the bank will keep one copy ?

So the purchaser lawyer will keep one copy ? How about the vendor lawyer ?
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Yes, your bank will keep a copy. Duplicate. Gone are the days when they used to ask for the original.

Vendor's lawyer normally won't need it. They can just photostat it. laugh.gif
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post Jan 24 2011, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(samlhc @ Jan 24 2011, 05:48 PM)
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Happy upcoming CNY!
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2011年农历新年快乐 laugh.gif



QUOTE(samlhc @ Jan 24 2011, 05:48 PM)
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By the way, regarding the court order. What are the estimate charge for it?  Any rough estimation? 4-5k? sweat.gif
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Litigation fees are very subjective. I always like to tell people - Lawyers are like cars, each with different standards and quality. Very hard to set a benchmark or average fees. Some lawyers want to ketuk you and charge you very high. Some will be desperate for work and tempt you by charging you very very low. Due to intense competition, lawyers nowadays hardly say no to work. Even if it is not their specialty, or even if they have no idea on how to do it, they will still take it on.

Best to ask for recommendations from family and friends. Perhaps someone who have appointed a lawyer to obtain an eviction order before? hmm.gif

You can also open a thread at the forum itself to ask for opinion on rough estimation of fees. laugh.gif
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post Jan 25 2011, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(lovelyjona @ Jan 25 2011, 09:17 AM)
Just tot Dario got provide this kind of service (like nowadays I only know there is agent help to source the bank loan for ppl, no need ppl go search around)
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Sorry dariofoo no provide no extra-curricular service to anyone sweat.gif

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post Jan 25 2011, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(Cannabis @ Jan 25 2011, 10:27 AM)
wow dario...very good legal advice....are you a lawyer in practice?
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QUOTE(tsuyoshi @ Jan 25 2011, 10:30 AM)
Dario, that's the million dollar question, no?  tongue.gif
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I've answered this question before in this thread:

QUOTE(dariofoo @ Dec 3 2010, 09:21 AM)

Have you watched The Dark Knight? I'm just like him.

Only that I don't have a cool car/bike, and I can't stand that tight costume.  biggrin.gif

Not suited to our local weather  sweat.gif

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Ok? Now where's my million dollars? laugh.gif
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post Jan 25 2011, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(tsuyoshi @ Jan 25 2011, 10:35 AM)
BTW Dario, is there any other situations that you need to obtain a blanket approval from the land office other than the Land being a Malay Reserve Land?
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What do you mean by blanket approval,bro?
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post Jan 25 2011, 12:24 PM

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Dear friends,

I will be shooting off for an outstation trip to JB until thursday.

Going home now to pack up.

Tsuyoshi, shall be posting a detailed reply to your interesting query by friday or saturday.

All other new queries will be answered hopefully by the weekend.

Take care, all! laugh.gif

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post Jan 28 2011, 12:17 PM

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I feel like the bear who just arrived home to find not one but a few Goldilocks sleeping in my bed hmm.gif
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post Jan 28 2011, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(vizze9 @ Jan 25 2011, 06:58 PM)
What are the procedures of making a testament for property like government condo/apartment/flat? means automated transfer of ownership to a specific individual when the present owner pass away. does the gov provide such facility or i need to find a lawyer ??
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I think what you mean is the procedure to draw up a will. Correct me if i'm wrong.

A will is a very easy document to prepare. You can do it by yourself, but it would be advisable to appoint a lawyer or a professional will-writer to prepare it for you. It is not expensive and it will spare your loved ones a lot of hassle in the future.

Let's say you bequeth your property to a beneficiary in your will.

Upon your death, the executor appointed in your will would appoint a lawyer to apply for a grant of probate in Court to distribute all your assets according to your wishes in your will.

Your executor would be authorised (via the grant of probate) to execute a MOT in favour of the beneficiary, thus completing the transfer.

Quite straightforward.

You cannot do an 'automated transfer', however. You have to follow the above steps. nod.gif
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post Jan 28 2011, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(truth_seeker_09 @ Jan 26 2011, 11:15 PM)
I'm trying to purchase a shop lot.
can i know how is the s&p + stamp duty, loan legal fee +stamp duty, MOT will be calculated?
what else shall i aware of when signing s&p?

as from what i read here mostly are on resident property
Pls advise.


Added on January 26, 2011, 11:20 pmshop lot i meant is the shop lot in a shopping mall

Also, from my previous understand. the s&p for shop lot is non standard, can i know what shall i notice in s&p doc? as i'm lack of knowledge in law. Lots of agreement just sign with no so understand.
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The procedure of purchasing a shop lot is no different from purchasing a residential property.

You question is way too general for me to answer,bro. Can I humbly suggest that you appoint a lawyer to prepare your S&P, explain its contents to you and run the whole show for you. That's what you're paying the lawyer for anyway. nod.gif

You can check the earlier posts for the link to websites to calculate your legal fees and stamp duty. It is scaled according to the price of the property which you intend to purchase.

If later you have any specific queries, do come back here and ask. nod.gif
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post Jan 28 2011, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 27 2011, 12:16 PM)
Just fyi to all : our bro inhouse consultant is busy currently and may be back by the weekend. So, just be patient for the moment. Thanks ! rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Thanks Hansel notworthy.gif

How's things with the purchasers? Have they appointed a lawyer to send a love letter to the developer to kick start things?
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post Jan 28 2011, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(jeff_v2 @ Jan 27 2011, 12:24 PM)
Property Price = RM275k

SPA = RM7,993.75
Loan Agreement = RM4,529.13
MOT = RM4,500.00

roughly around rm17k
since this is my first property got discount 50% rite?
so for lawyer part need to standby around rm8,500?
correct me if im wrong. thanks
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You should request the lawyer to give you an itemised quotation so that I can dissect it and advise you better. If you look at the earlier posts in this thread that is how I do it. Better. This is too general and is difficult to advise you.

The discount is on the stamp duty only and not the whole transaction. Yes you are entitled to a 50% discount on the stamp duty payable nod.gif
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post Jan 28 2011, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(truth_seeker_09 @ Jan 27 2011, 11:19 PM)
oic.. dario is professional in s&p?
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QUOTE(truth_seeker_09 @ Jan 27 2011, 11:19 PM)
is there any diff if i put property with mywife and my name? and also for the loan?

heard that it iwll be cheaper if put both name? is that right?
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Cheaper only in the sense if you and your wife split the legal fees and go Dutch sweat.gif

No difference otherwise. smile.gif
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post Jan 31 2011, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(jeff_v2 @ Jan 30 2011, 09:11 PM)
thanks...
what is the estimate value for all the lawyer fee for property price at 250k...
juz need to put aside the budget...
izit around 8k??
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Perhaps even less if you decide to finance your legal fees for your loan documentation into your loan nod.gif



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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 29 2011, 09:50 AM)
Some lawyers said these folks may need to fork out the outstanding 20% because it seems the landowners have a lot of powers - don't know what it means by that,..
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 29 2011, 09:50 AM)
What sez you, bro ??
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It would be very hard to dish out advice without having taken a look at all the documents in their possession.

But from what I gather, I think there's a good case for the purchasers.

If there's a letter by the developer consenting the purchasers to complete the construction on their own, all the better.

If not, I'd argue that the contract between the purchasers and developer has been vitiated by the subsequent conduct of both parties. The original sale and purchase agreement cease to exist and whatever payment made to the developer for work done (80%) shall be the final payment made.

Furthermore, they can rely on the fact that they had, on their own accord, spent good money to complete the construction. Thus, the developer cannot just turn around and claim for the balance payment. They are estopped from doing so by their own conduct. The developer did nothing to stop the purchasers from completing the project on their own. The purchasers had acted to their detriment by incurring their own costs and thus, the scales of justice ought to lean in their favour.

The developer would now have to execute the MOT to transfer ownership to the respective purchasers.

So, the purchasers would need a declaration from the court that the original S&P is null and void and of no further effect. Then they need a mandatory injunction to compel the developer to execute the MOTs, failing which the Senior Assistant Registrar would be authorised to execute same on their behalf.

Very sketchy advice based on the information given. Humble apologies. nod.gif
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post Jan 31 2011, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ Jan 31 2011, 11:56 AM)
There is two legel document here.

One is Loan agreement, it has to use panel lawyer, and it quote me as 56XX. It has no detail which he said it is 2.5% of the loan amt. This all for loan legal right? no other fee anymore?

Another is the S&P.
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Still has to be itemised. How can he just say 2.5%. doh.gif
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post Jan 31 2011, 03:02 PM

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Still vague as the developer did not waive their right to claim for the balance of the purchase price yet to be disbursed in the letter. However, in the absence of anything in black and white we would have to look at the intention of the parties. Intention can be gauged from their conduct, act and/or ommissions. If we go by that basis, the purchasers would definitely have a stronger case. Not 100%, of course, but strong.

In the Schedule G agreement, this is what the remaining 20% balance is for:

On the date the Purchaser takes vacant possession of
the said Building, with water and electricity supply
ready for connection 12.5%

Within twenty-one (21) working days after receipt by
the Purchaser or the Purchaser’s solicitors of the
separate document of title to the said Lot together with a
valid and registrable Memorandum of Transfer to the
Purchaser duly executed by the Vendor or on the date
the Purchaser takes vacant possession of the said
Building, whichever is later. 2.5%

On the date the Purchaser takes vacant possession of the
said Building as in item 3 and to be held by the Vendor's
solicitor as stakeholder for payment to the Vendor as
follows:-
(a) two point five per centum (2.5%) at the expiry
of six (6) months after the date the Purchaser
takes vacant possession of the said Building;
(b) two point five per centum (2.5%) at the expiry
of eighteen (18) months after the date the
Purchaser takes vacant possession of the said
Building If you want me to play the Devil's Advocate and now argue on the developer's behalf, I would say that the balance 20% has nothing to do with the construction of the property. All that would've been paid out in the 80%. As such, whether the purchasers wanted to complete the project on their own is entirely up to them.

12.5% is to be paid when VP is given. Another 2.5% when MOT is ready to be executed. The other 7.5% is basically during the defect liability period (DLP). Assuming that the purchaser now refuses to pay the balance 20%, I doubt that DLP will still apply. Thus, there would be no DLP guarantee by the developer. Any defects would have to be rectified by the purchasers at their own cost.

The purchasers cannot, as the old adage goes, 'run with the hare and hunt with the hounds'. If they refuse to pay the 20%, they forego the DLP as well.

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post Feb 1 2011, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(Falangkei @ Jan 31 2011, 11:19 PM)
Hi to all,

I am new here and have few question regarding the tax when performing a subsale.

1)Is it a 2% of our SPA will be charge and send to LHDN during a subsale?
2) is it a must to send the 2% to LHDN?
3) when will the 2% is charge?
4)After that property gain tax will be charging 5% on profit which is less than 5  years?

Tq for your reply.
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1) 2% deposit will be withheld by the purchaser's solicitor to be remitted to LHDN unless you fill up Form CKHT 3 and select one of the exceptions
i) you have owned the property for a period of 5 years and above;
ii) you are applying for a total exemption of CKHT (one exemption in your lifetime is allowed);
iii) you are selling at a loss; OR
iv) you are disposing off the property as a gift without any consideration.

2) See above.

3) It will be withheld from the balance deposit - so assuming that the balance deposit is 8%, you will only receive 6%.

4) Basically the 2% is paid to LHDN, unless you fill up CKHT3 above, and you would also have to fill up Form CKHT1A to be submitted together.

Form CKHT1A will detail your expenditure for the property - renovations, legal fees, etc. So the 5% is nett gain (after deducting legal fees, reno,etc) and not the rough gain.

If there is any excess from the 2%, LHDN will reimburse you that excess sum later on.

Hope that clarifies things.

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