i didnt usually follow the timer but if u start a roach warren not so long after ur pool is done u should get it out pretty fast (since u'll skip the speedling upgrade)
i think around 20food or so?

rushes are not cheese...
cheese are usually all-ins relying on ur opponent playing standard

they thot u 6pooled LOL...

anyways i jz played zerg jz now...
the 5RR is insanely powerful...
if ur opponent goes anyhting other than a marauder, he is dead (even tank cant do much from jz now's gomtv invitationals... fruity's roach deal so much damage with tank shooting)...
4 range let u micro from marine's fire pretty easily...

prepare to see low league players spamming roach is imba threads (just like beta)

i thot u are terran? O.o

lol u miss the stim button eh now

provided u live long enuff to get it...
HTs are awesome when u get to em...

that's nt the problem...
the problem is that they are gas intensive and slow to tech =p

actually got...
morph them to archon and use ur army to move those morphing archons LOL

day9 and JP jz discussed roach's 4range is on the OP-line (MLG DC around 10 minutes ago lol)

cost increase maybe 100/25...
its gotta be a t1.5 unit no matter wut...

why not be the same price as marauder?
it has more life, the same 1 armored, have speed/ burrow upgrades and higher damage vs non-armored...
the old 3 range was balanced around that price...

they are not underpowered as koreans used it alot...

lol...
swt...

watch how select roll ppl with MMM only (beat nony which knocked him to the losers bracket, kiwikaki and then huk) to win the losers bracket before losing to idra in the grand finals...
T for stim is I WIN BUTTON

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Added on October 17, 2010, 11:58 pmmostly against terran i'll scout to see their first rax's unit compo (marine vs marauders)...

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Added on October 17, 2010, 11:59 pmsupply at 9/ 10 goesnt affect anything...
it only affect the fast reaper/ proxies...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 17 2010, 11:59 PM

hmmm SeleCT jz beat NonY, Kiwikakii and HuK yesterday with MMM spam...
his MMM improved a lot especially his control and constant pressure...
i think if nirvana would to faced him again, select would roflstomp him...

which one? O.o
for the MLG DC the VoDs are not up yet...
MLG's personnel posted on TL that it'll take 1 week or so...
replays out though...

for SeleCT vs Nirvana's one i dun think it was a tournament...

hmmm i did heard my frens talking about it on skype quite a while back...
though they didnt mention any tournament (and i deleted the replay they sent to me)

but it seems that select only know MMM only to get roflstomped by idra with ease when he cant MMM against zerg...
no doubt his MMM sense and control is among the best i've seen with 3pronged drops (think ITR styled but better than ITR), army trading and constant pressure...
watching MLG DC loser's bracket to see him MMM like 9 games in a row vs nony (3-1), kiwi (2-1) and HuK (2-0) is really boring...
thank god HuK did the mothership rush (which is ruined by the retarded crowd for select to scan it before atking)...

watch select's MLG DC vs toss (nony kiwi and huk)...
aggressive or not depends on how u play...
u dun need to proxy to be aggressive or during the 3-4 minute mark...

the reaper speed is the problem, not the supply before rax (which i think should be reverted with the supply change as factory before speed is lame)...
u can see qxc vs idra where qxc still open with reapers and even bunkers etc which actually do deal damage...
the supply requirements does not kill off aggression as many claimed...
it does make it slower since u cant go 9gas 10rax 11supply anymore but that was insanely fast wit the proxy (faster than the first stalker, faster than the first set of lings)...

wut i said was "u dun need to proxy to be aggressive or during the 3-4 minute mark..."
which is the only thing affected by the supply before rax...
as we can see from MLG DC and day9's discussions with the pro players+wheat, the supply before rax doesnt really affect high lvl games...
even in gomtv team invi, clide did an early proxy rax as well (or was it clide's opponent... it was a TvT) even with the supply requirements...

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Added on October 18, 2010, 1:26 pmbtw i think this change is due to the korean BaracksBunkerSupply build (double rax-> supply as well as artosis said in SOTG) where the faster OC can get mules to cover up on the lack of SCV...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Oct 18 2010, 01:33 PM

as i said tell that to QXC which opened with reapers (1-2 vs idra if u haven watch)...
early reapers without speed still deal damage to zerg's FE forcing commitment of larvae into lings...
people are still using reapers as we can see in MLG DC which is just yesterday...
people are not getting to abuse it unlike the past (speed reapers > roaches) etc...

noise canceling was not that good...
u cant hear wut they say but u can definitely hear roars ETC...
refer to the video i posted...
even though HuK lost the game, he won so many frens (the HuK chanting when he was leaving the area etc)...

i honestly think the mothership rush is a good build for that map...
jinro lost in the GSL2 qualifiers to a toss that does that build...
wut more HuK chose such a map...

@ chiam
i still use reapers for 2v2, dun see wut is wrong wit it as u have ur partner to threaten the front while ur reaper(s) can sneak through the back...
reaper openings can allow u to transition to MM pretty smoothly for a timing push...