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SUSKal-el
post Oct 11 2010, 06:26 AM, updated 16y ago

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Do you think the public understanding of Science is getting better or worse?

Until today we see horoscopes being published on the newspapers and magazines even it has been debunked for like 300 years back.

We have creationist fighting all over USA to allow schools to teach creationism aka intelligent design alongside evolution.

We still have billions of people on Earth who still thinks the world was created 6000 years ago and claims carbon dating is wrong even when science have more than 1 way/method to determine the age of something.

We have people attacking science just to protect their beliefs. People giving up rationality and reasoning because of religion.

The $1million dollar reward of James Randi which is offered to anyone who can demonstrate a paranormal effect under proper scientific control is safe until today and yet people still continue to believe in telekinesis, homeopathy, fengsui, faith healing, dowsers and many more.






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post Oct 11 2010, 07:28 AM

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the common spin is that science are weak and they will point out some fraud and apparent incompleteness of science and proceed to science cannot replace such or such mumbo jumbo they believe in while never proving their stuff ever work.

i think it is getting worst, the age of reason have not really arrived.

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post Oct 11 2010, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(Kal-el @ Oct 11 2010, 07:26 AM)
Do you think the public understanding of Science is getting better or worse?

Until today we see horoscopes being published on the newspapers and magazines even it has been debunked for like 300 years back.

We have creationist fighting all over USA to allow schools to teach creationism aka intelligent design alongside evolution.

We still have billions of people on Earth who still thinks the world was created 6000 years ago and claims carbon dating is wrong even when science have more than 1 way/method to determine the age of something.

We have people attacking science just to protect their beliefs. People giving up rationality and reasoning because of religion.

The $1million dollar reward of James Randi which is offered to anyone who can demonstrate a paranormal effect under proper scientific control  is safe until today and yet people still continue to believe in telekinesis, homeopathy, fengsui, faith healing, dowsers and many more.
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Untill the day Science proof god does not exist, there comes the day science reigh completely
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post Oct 11 2010, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 11 2010, 09:26 AM)
Untill the day Science proof god does not exist, there comes the day science reigh completely
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Science indirectly already prove that God doesnt exist. all the theory leaves no room for the existence of God. and the burden is not on us, its up to you theists.
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post Oct 11 2010, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(Kal-el @ Oct 11 2010, 10:31 AM)
Science indirectly already prove that God doesnt exist. all the theory leaves no room for the existence of God. and the burden is not on us, its up to you theists.
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Then why ever increasing of people converted in to religion of abrahamatic(monotheism god concept)
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post Oct 11 2010, 09:57 AM

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The age of reason had came and gone, Robert.

Reasons dont provide answers to everything. That is why the need to cling back to the age of belief where some indroctirnation helps to reinforce blind faith that can provide answers to everything.
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post Oct 11 2010, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 11 2010, 09:42 AM)
Then why ever increasing of people converted in to religion of abrahamatic(monotheism god concept)
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proof?

QUOTE(faceless @ Oct 11 2010, 09:57 AM)
The age of reason had came and gone, Robert.

Reasons dont provide answers to everything. That is why the need to cling back to the age of belief where some indroctirnation helps to reinforce blind faith that can provide answers to everything.
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looks like bad news for humanity
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post Oct 11 2010, 10:24 AM

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That is provided that reason can provided solution to all problems. Lets say you got vodoo-ed. Medical science cant detect what is wrong with you. So in pain an desparation you are willing to try anything. Even something as stupid as, "I need to molest you to heal you" comming from a bomoh will do.
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post Oct 11 2010, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Oct 11 2010, 10:24 AM)
That is provided that reason can provided solution to all problems. Lets say you got vodoo-ed. Medical science cant detect what is wrong with you. So in pain an desparation you are willing to try anything. Even something as stupid as, "I need to molest you to heal you" comming from a bomoh will do.
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so basically its false hope and it makes people happier. its the same with a drunk man is happier than a sober one.

Solution will eventually appear when enough logic and reasoning is applied.
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post Oct 11 2010, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Kal-el @ Oct 11 2010, 11:02 AM)
proof?
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Just look at the numbers of asian converted to islam/chritianity
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post Oct 11 2010, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 11 2010, 10:37 AM)
Just look at the numbers of asian converted to islam/chritianity
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that shows people are getting more and more stupid.

no offense
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post Oct 11 2010, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Kal-el @ Oct 11 2010, 10:32 AM)
so basically its false hope and it makes people happier. its the same with a drunk man is happier than a sober one.

Solution will eventually appear when enough logic and reasoning is applied.
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Nope, solution based on sound reason and logic had not always been the choice.

The choice is what they perceived to be the right antidote.
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QUOTE(Kal-el @ Oct 11 2010, 11:44 AM)
that shows people are getting more and more stupid.

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can you define stupid and intelligent in this context?

IF god are mighty compassionate, then why summons natural catastrophic just to strike fear upon us
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post Oct 11 2010, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 11 2010, 10:56 AM)
can you define stupid and intelligent in this context?

IF god are mighty compassionate, then why summons natural catastrophic just to strike fear upon us
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To get your obedience I guess.
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post Oct 11 2010, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Oct 11 2010, 10:56 AM)
can you define stupid and intelligent in this context?

IF god are mighty compassionate, then why summons natural catastrophic just to strike fear upon us
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people who refuse to use logic and choose not to be rational when they actually can, thats stupid.

So are you saying your God is evil(proof that God doesnt exists and if God exists he is evil is there) but want humans to do good stuff?
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post Oct 11 2010, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Kal-el @ Oct 11 2010, 11:26 AM)
people who refuse to use logic and choose not to be rational when they actually can, thats stupid.

So are you saying your God is evil(proof that God doesnt exists and if God exists he is evil is there) but want humans to do good stuff?
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Have you encountered such people?
The rational people I know had never chose to act otherwise (ignorance omitted).
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post Oct 11 2010, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Oct 11 2010, 11:34 AM)
Have you encountered such people?
The rational people I know had never chose to act otherwise (ignorance omitted).
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yes actually, they call themselves man of faith.
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post Oct 11 2010, 11:52 AM

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The moment they become man of faith the already reject reason and embrace faith. They are no longer capable of reason.

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post Oct 11 2010, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Oct 11 2010, 11:52 AM)
The moment they become man of faith the already reject reason and embrace faith. They are no longer capable of reason.
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Is there anyway to make these people to embrace logic and reason again to actually contribute to humanity trough science?
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post Oct 11 2010, 12:03 PM

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1) Science had to address to all their needs for that to happen

2) Science should be easily assessible to all but it get less assessible as we progress.

Just these two points will do for now.

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