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post Dec 28 2010, 06:12 PM

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When exactly are these windows of opportunity for muscle gain and fat gain?
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post Dec 28 2010, 06:53 PM

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When exactly are these windows of opportunity for muscle gain and fat gain?
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The windows of opportunity occurs immediately after the workout is over and lasts for 1-
2 hours. If the right nutritional choices are made then this can be the most anabolic
time of the day, meaning that it is this time in the day that your muscle cells are primed for
muscle building. I said it ‘can be’ anabolic if the right nutritional choices are made
because it can also be the most catabolic time in the day.
Remember, your body’s primary function in life is to survive and supply sugar to
your brain so that you can live. Your body does not care about having 18-inch arms or
a ripped and muscular body that you can show off. If you do not supply your body with
the building blocks it needs to repair itself then where do you think your body gets
what it needs? I hate to say this, but your body needs to get it from somewhere so it
will start to convert your precious muscle into energy for survival! So how do some
guys build huge muscles with crappy or no workout nutrition strategies? Your body flips
a ‘switch’ within about 24 hours and shifts back to anabolism but until you get nutrients
into your body it stays in a catabolic state for a few hours after your workout is complete!
To maximize the Anabolic Phase, you must drink another liquid protein&carbohydrate drink immediately after your workout.
Regardless, it is important to understand that insulin sensitivity and glucose tolerance are higher at this time of day than any other time – take advantage!

The Growth Phase occurs for up to six hours after training, assuming that you depleted at least 70% of your glycogen reserves
during your workout. During the Growth Phase it is important to continue to feed with carbohydrates and
proteins but like the Energy and Anabolic Phases. These meals
should consist of real foods since your body is moving back towards
normal functioning as that anabolic window closes. Basically the period of time
for muscle growth is diminishing since insulin sensitivity is taking a vacation until your
next workout, and you will have to part ways with your good friends Testosterone and
Growth Hormone for a little while.
Considering this change back to ‘normalcy’ it is important that our high-glycemic sugary
foods and rapidly digesting protein super heroes who stole the show in our Energy
and Anabolic Phases are now the arch enemy during the Growth Phase. These liquid
drinks provide a huge, muscle-building insulin surge so they are beneficial during and
after the workout but raising your insulin levels at other times of the day will instantly
reward you a fine pot belly!


The Recovery Phase will encompass everything you eat during the rest of the day.
After we eliminate 8-9 hours for sleep and 7-8 hours for the Energy, Anabolic and
Growth Phases there are 8-9 more hours in the day which will make up your last three
meals. These are the meals that are considered the Recovery Phase.
How you eat during this period is highly individualized.
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You are a champion...Thanks, man! rclxms.gif

I have few more questions and hope you can answer them:

1. What is a carbo drink? Can isotonic drinks like 100 Plus be considered as a carbo drink?

2. The article mention about Energy phase. What is that?

3. What exactly is the difference between anabolic and growth phases? The purpose is the same i.e. to rebuild muscles right?

4. Is there any way to know that we have depleted 70% of our glycogen store?

5. If we workout late at night, say 10pm and had our dinner first, will consuming protein whey and carbo drink be enough to benefit from the anabolic phase? Are we going to miss out the Growth phase if we go straight to bed one hour after the workout without consuming real food?

How do we strategize for nutrition requirements for above scenario in #5?


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post Dec 29 2010, 08:10 AM

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Arekey, great posts. Pre, intra and postworkout stacks are the most important. On a note, Smith incline benched 315 x 10 yesterday. The scheme was
135 x 20
195 x 11
225 x 12
275 x 10
315 x 10

I felt strong, I think I can probably hit 335 next week with a video upload. Stupid phone had no batt.
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post Dec 29 2010, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(arekey @ Dec 28 2010, 03:12 PM)
Remember, a surplus of calories is ONLY one component of gaining weight!
Anybody who tells you that you must simply eat a SURPLUS of calories to gain weight is RIGHT.
You will definitely gain weight – a dump load of body fat that is.
Let’s say your body needs 2000 calories to grow – don’t think that your body will grow on 2000 calories of
chips and cookies just because you are in a SURPLUS.
Two thousand calories of junk and empty calories is COMPLETELY different than 2000 calories of high quality carbs,
proteins, fats, vitamins and minerals.
Anybody who does not understand this does not Understand the theory that a calorie is not a calorie.

To summaries, Potato Chips Makes you Gain Fat Weight while healthy Food makes you Gain Muscle Weight.
So which one you'll choose? Big-Fat or Big-Muscular??
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this answers the equation in my point of view thumbup.gif
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post Dec 29 2010, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(newx @ Dec 28 2010, 11:53 PM)
You are a champion...Thanks, man! rclxms.gif

I have few more questions and hope you can answer them:

1. What is a carbo drink? Can isotonic drinks like 100 Plus be considered as a carbo drink?

2. The article mention about Energy phase. What is that?

3. What exactly is the difference between anabolic and growth phases? The purpose is the same i.e. to rebuild muscles right?

4. Is there any way to know that we have depleted 70% of our glycogen store?

5. If we workout late at night, say 10pm and had our dinner first, will consuming protein whey and carbo drink be enough to benefit from the anabolic phase? Are we going to miss out the Growth phase if we go straight to bed one hour after the workout without consuming real food?

How do we strategize for nutrition requirements for above scenario in #5?
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1. What is a carbo drink? Can isotonic drinks like 100 Plus be considered as a carbo drink?
Carbo drink is come from simple glucose and glucose polymers such as maltodextrin, dextrose, fruit or fruit juice. Yes,100 Plus and any sports drintk is carbo drink.

2. The article mention about Energy phase. What is that?
The Energy Phase occurs during the workout when your energy demands are the highest in the day.
Ideally, you want your energy to come from ingested food prior to workout and not from your own body stores. If you end up using your own body stores for energy then don’t be surprised if you actually get smaller and perform at a lower level in the gym. This is not what you want! Since we are trying to achieve the opposite effect and pack on inches of hard muscle to our frame, then it becomes important to ingest the appropriate nutrients during our training.


3. What exactly is the difference between anabolic and growth phases? The purpose is the same to rebuild muscles right?
Anabolic is phase of metabolism tend toward "building up" organs and tissues. These processes produce growth. In Anabolic phase, replenish your depleted glycogen reserves to swith our body’s protein balance to positive, then the growth phase happen. This is the best time (Anabolic Phase) of the day to eat the wrong foods and get away with it – having a king-size carbohydrate and protein drink will not lead to fat gain. To make it simple, Catabolic trigger anabolic and anabolic trigger growth.

4. Is there any way to know that we have depleted 70% of our glycogen store?
For basic, if you follow the set-reps and keep the intensity in bodybuilding program of your choice will ensure you severely deplete more than 70%.


5. If we workout late at night, say 10pm and had our dinner first, will consuming protein whey and carbo drink be enough to benefit from the anabolic phase? Are we going to miss out the Growth phase if we go straight to bed one hour after the workout without consuming real food?

How do we strategize for nutrition requirements for above scenario in #5?


If you train late at nite, you're screwed - just kidding. Actually, if you train late at nite you can simply ingest post workout meal and have a midnight shake (a Grow! and some oatmeal might make a good choice) Remember, the Growth Phase, is still marked by increased fat oxidation (even in the presence of some dietary carbohydrate) and increased glycogen synthesis (especially in the presence of some dietary carbohydrate). In this case, The Post Workout meal (anabolic phase) is most important and don't skip this one.

Let me share with you about bedtime story.(Thanks to pizzaboy introduce me to John Berardi)
Accroding to Dr. John Berardi, the combination of fast and slow may be best for both increasing muscle protein synthesis and preventing muscle protein breakdown during bedtime.

Read his article (bedtime story) and you'll find out what actually happen during bedtime.It's very intersting.
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/bedtime.htm


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i'm takin ON whey protein with a teaspoon of pysillum husk and i think/feel better growth than previously when i didn't add in pysillum husk....

any idea?
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hello everyone, need some advice on my workout plan.

i am 86kg and only 173cm, male, 26% BF (base on tanita machine). chubby and fat ><''
i really need some help from you guys to give me some good advise to slim down as my goal is slim fit.
can anyone suggest a good diet and workout? or correct me if i have anything did wrongly. Thank you very much.


these is my current workout plan:

mon cardio (45mins) + chest, abs
tues cardio (30mins) + shoulder, back, abs, and chest
wed cardio (45mins) + chest, abs
thur rest
fri cardio (30mins) + shoulder, back, abs, and ches
sat cardio (45mins) + chest, abs
sun rest


below is my daily food :

breakfast
eggs (2) , oat , whole meal bread (2 pieces)

lunch
meat, vege, eggs, fruits

pre workout
either 2 pieces of whole meal bread with a cup of oat / 2 pices of egg sandwiches / protein bar (240cals, 6g Fat and 2g protein)

post workout
one cup of whey protein / 500ml of sugar free soya bean

dinner (mostly late at 9 or 10pm and i sleep at around 12.30am)
meat, vege, eggs / soup + a bit of meehoon + vege + meat

before sleep (optional)
a up of milk / protein shake / 1 pieces of cheese

i drink at least 4L of water daily.

my cardio is jogging which is 4mins slow walk at 5.0km/h and 1 mins fast run at 13-14km/h, will be consider as 1 set. if i go for 45mins cardio, will do 9 sets and if 30mins cardio will be 6 sets.
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wah abs and chest for every single wo day...
u do know abs exercise won't make u lose tummy fat rite...

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Dec 29 2010, 05:16 PM)
wah abs and chest for every single wo day...
u do know abs exercise won't make u lose tummy fat rite...
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Yeah, but when you get your bodyfat low enough, your abs will be thick and hyooge flex.gif
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post Dec 29 2010, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Dec 29 2010, 05:16 PM)
wah abs and chest for every single wo day...
u do know abs exercise won't make u lose tummy fat rite...
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chest hard to build and tummy also as well.
by the way, my abs exercise is just sit up for 80times per workout day.
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QUOTE(yoshi86 @ Dec 29 2010, 05:24 PM)
chest hard to build and tummy also as well.
by the way, my abs exercise is just sit up for 80times per workout day.
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Muscles aren't built IN the gym, its build OUT of it. When you work a body part 4 times a week, you're not giving it enough time to rest, recovery and rebuild.

That being said, try working out a body part once or twice a week, giving it plenty of time to recover.
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QUOTE(harris92 @ Dec 29 2010, 06:50 PM)
Muscles aren't built IN the gym, its build OUT of it. When you work a body part 4 times a week, you're not giving it enough time to rest, recovery and rebuild.

That being said, try working out a body part once or twice a week, giving it plenty of time to recover.
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ok... even cardio also? or can i workout 4 times a week with cardio and i will choose 2 days among that 4 days to do on weight training ?
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nice post arekey. Got a question, is it ok if one take whey protein for a long time. More than 2 years straight? From my understanding whey contain some trans and saturated fat
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Lol arekey. Good posts but you realize John Berardi is still advertizing a supplement right? Blends are insanely effective and I'll take evidence based results anytime over an article.
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QUOTE(ijnek @ Dec 29 2010, 03:10 PM)
i'm takin ON whey protein with a teaspoon of pysillum husk and i think/feel better growth than previously when i didn't add in pysillum husk....

any idea?
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Yes. This is why:
http://www.precisionnutrition.com/rr-whey-too-much

Whey protein moves too fast through the stomach due to it being in liquid form.
Digestive enzyme helps to increase digestion and absorption, psyllium husk help to slow down the speed of which it passes through the gut.
Have you seen how crazy psyllium husk can hold water and bulk up like mad?
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You guys also need to realize the importance of rest days. I'm not talking about the usual rest days already in your split. I'm talking about EXTRA rest days. The day I shoulder pressed 275lbs x 10 and 315lbs incline x 10 was after taking extra 2-3 rest days. Listen to your body! Dorian Yates stresses it all the time. When you feel like you've stopped having those awesome pumps you used to have despite taking care of nutrition and adequate rest on a normal split timing, rest more. It's not rocket science.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Dec 29 2010, 08:36 PM)
Lol arekey. Good posts but you realize John Berardi is still advertizing a supplement right? Blends are insanely effective and I'll take evidence based results anytime over an article.
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Bro, you are user of Gaspari Myofusion right ? How do you find it in term of result aside from its good taste.

I take immediately after workout and next morning after waking up. Should I skip the morning one (because at this stage I can fill myself with breakfast) and go for it right before bed time ?
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QUOTE(mizivincible @ Dec 29 2010, 11:26 PM)
Bro, you are user of Gaspari Myofusion right ? How do you find it in term of result aside from its good taste.

I take immediately after workout and next morning after waking up. Should I skip the morning one (because at this stage I can fill myself with breakfast) and go for it right before bed time ?
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Blends > Regular whey.

Shit son, you can add that scoop to your breakfast. More protein the better but not go crazy till 10 scoops like that.
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haha
rest days
i went overseas for holiday for 3 weeks
and its been a month since i last went to the gym

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