Nothing wrong babe. Actually even Bob Chic doesn't advocate ATG. Our mutual Terry doesn't go ATG in his squat video. A lot of aspiring bodybuilders don't understand that in the long run, heavy ATG squats become relatively counterpeoductive to bodybuilding aesthetics, taking away focus from quads and getting a bigger butt. Heck, even your boyfriend Ernie who has insane leg development for his age does just parallel Smith machine squats.

Dorian Yates' Blood and Guts video, no squats there. Our friend Wong Hong doesn't squat much but look at his out of this world leg development too. Not doing squats doesn't make one a sissy and doing them doesn't make one hardcore. =)

That being said, squats are still an insanely effective exercise, but ATG concept is way overrated.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Nov 22 2010, 12:57 PM

heck yes now I am having a overgrowth butt
though I convince myself overtime ,guys can have booty too !
any brutal leg workout to avoid working on glutes by limited equip ?

leg presses. one guy in my gym swears by them. though i dont do them cos it hurts my knees somehow

p/s: my girl did tell me my ass looks better now, zz

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Added on November 22, 2010, 5:41 pm

T Nation

whoosh, t nation really has some high standards. pretty close to the BW Bench press though lol. No where close at the DL area though. I wonder if this means 1 reppers?


This post has been edited by mikehuan: Nov 22 2010, 05:41 PM

1 rep is still a rep.
T-Nation don't call themselves elitists for nothing, bar is pretty high...even more so for the average Malaysian.

I'm almost there as far as the DL is concerned, but lagging badly at the BW Bench Press. Personal preference, I don't like benching and prefer flyes. But I like variety.

I think that's a pretty good benchmark and is a BW bench press a lofty goal ? Unless u r overweight in a bad way, i don';t see BW bench being a lofty goal plus the cleans plus the front squats ?!?

take a look around the gym

the guys that focus on the hard and heavy basics (meat and potatoes), the one that uses the house analogy. A basic routine focusing on the big barbell exercises: your squat, deadlift, bench press, overhead press, barbell row, weighted chin-up/dips, and all the numerous variations on those exercises. and then they toss in some “pumping” for individual muscles after that. They keep the big lifts somewhat heavy, and then use a higher rep range for the bodybuilding stuff.

then look at the other corner, the person that uses baby weights for high reps to isolate their puny frame and probably looks the same year in year out. I am not saying lighter weights high reps for hypertrophy have zero value but I strongly think what most needs to do in the gym is get moderately strong, and that means progressive resistance with significant poundages until a decent base level of strength is reached. It's only at that point that specializing with comparatively light loads and higher reps might actually accomplish something.

I m willing to bet the former guy WILL LOOK jacked.

Again I m not saying high reps hypertrophy is bad, but if u can;t achieve a basic decent level of strength .. hmmm .. using the average malaysian as benchmark is bad, the average malaysian is scrawny and look malnourished. Look around here anyone here with respectable physique with appreciable mass (darklight + angrydog .. ok I know they get over-referenced ) has definitely achieved and built that strong foundation. and no this is not a leg press vs squat argument, training muscles in various ranges of motion, providing for unique positions, isolating various joints and muscles, and/or providing constant tension throughout full ranges of motion is encouraged but please at least achieve the basic yardstick before arguing the minutia.

well, i agree with what you say ken, regarding the foundation and building up strength. what struck me most about the quote i posted was the last line. from what i see, probably only 2-3% of the guys in my gym can achieve that, and beyond. shows how far we have to go in order to at least stay on par with the guys writing the articles. if the guys i look up to is considered weak, then what am i?

thats what i meant by their lofty standards.

That's actually, very very easy to achieve. Really. Just follow a simple 5x5 routine for 6 months, and it's more than likely you'll hit that. For gym go'ers, the goal of lifting heavy isn't one that's shared amongst many. Once again, it boils down to your goals. If you're gaining pretty good muscle, and that's your goal, there's really no need to worry about what t-nation has to say about your strength levels. After all, it's your goal that matters. Not theirs. And a LOT of bodybuilders can hit those numbers when they cut down their reps. It's just whether they want to or not.

BW BP - ✔
BW squat - ✔
BW Push press - ✔
BW DL - ✔


Only one I can no longer do is push press as I switched to Military press and haven't reached target poundage.

Been there done that. =P Shisha sometime
this week bro. Will call. Hope you ain't at malacca.

Sure bro,I'll be in KL from now on I guess!!

DL, still playing DotA with William and cursing along the way?
LOL!

Lol too busy with patients to play anymore. It's eat, work, eat, gym, eat, Shisha, eat, sleep, repeat. Prob is no one who sees me outside the hospital believes I'm a doc, they think I do PT or something.

cos even docs nowadays r getting bigger at the waist...

funny how ppl think tat slimmin down = sick and getting fit=crazy

Oh. I thought i told you i moved back to cyberjaya for my studies. Will be back there on next May. There are other squatters there too...

no lar... i dont think so....
unless if ur alrdy on d thin side to begin with and still wanna whine abt "slimming down"... thn yes ur sick.

personally ive not been labelled as crazy or mad for keeping fit... neither hv i heard of anyone getting shit about having a fit and active lifestyle, or wanting to have such a lifestyle. i think d word ur looking for is to bulk up or become more muscular. thn yes... ive observed both guys and gals alike that hv adverse feelings towards higher degrees of muscularity

speaking of which, ive hit my 60kg! wahahaha

time to cut tho dont think the 60kg were good quality gains. i feel like a lardy porkass. wheeheehee

i was fat at 90kg, slim down to 66-67kg
and the 1st thing ppl c me is ask me am i ok or sick?...

Being fit and active is good,you always read up on articles and advertisements encouraging people to have an active lifestyle don't you?

About the bulking up,maybe not everybody will like to look so huge and muscular la


Lol..can't they perhaps think that the reason u slim down is to avoid tiredness and look good,instead of being sick

I don't blame them. 66kg is skinny as hell, whether by bb standards or fitness standards.

hehe, tat was my weight before i start bodybuilding