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post Nov 19 2010, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(winkybear @ Nov 19 2010, 12:21 AM)
People always bother me with the belt thing too. And telling me not to squat below parallel.
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Not to squat below parallel is bs. Else i can squat 300lbs just just sticking my ass in and out.
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 19 2010, 12:14 AM)
okay here comes another question
should we be locking out our knees when we're doing squat?

Am doing front squat today,1 huge fella come to me,and ask me to wear belt for protection,and ask me not to squat heavily(yea that time i was struggling at 140 lbs+20kg olympic bar, front squat for 5 reps)
According to him,I am not supposed to lock knees when I am standing up,I should control the movement slowly and maintain the muscle tension there.

and he did pointed out I tend to 'bounce' when I am standing up,which is stressing more to the knees.it will hurts the ligament and I will be regret after 3-4 years.squat should not be too heavy as I am not competing ,why rushing ? yes I admit it,when I am standing up I tend to bounce so the lift will be easier.but I never realized thats a cheat form and could be potential harm to my knees.

Well,kinda speaking,he's much bigger than me and least years of experience,so now...I always think that squat should be go heavier,or i should follow to this guy advise? dont lock out,go slowly..

and my feel left knees knuckles cracking when I am doing front squat..which I recheck my form,its should be shoulder stance,foot pointing outwards,hips go downs,knees not over toes....it is not pain but feel weird....

There are not over than 5 people squating in the gym room,and only 1 people who doing deadlift,thats me ! none-of any instructor there,which I barely cant find a big bodybuilder and ask for the skill helps.

Someone enligthen me , I am confused,especially the knees cracking part seriously bothering me,and I might not want to harm my knees,I know squat is way too important,but if I am doing it wrong end up this might be my last chapter of bodybuilding.I did googled,but too many version there ,confusing which 1 to follow.
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You still at Priority Fitness bro?
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post Nov 19 2010, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 19 2010, 12:14 AM)
okay here comes another question
should we be locking out our knees when we're doing squat?

Am doing front squat today,1 huge fella come to me,and ask me to wear belt for protection,and ask me not to squat heavily(yea that time i was struggling at 140 lbs+20kg olympic bar, front squat for 5 reps)
According to him,I am not supposed to lock knees when I am standing up,I should control the movement slowly and maintain the muscle tension there.

and he did pointed out I tend to 'bounce' when I am standing up,which is stressing more to the knees.it will hurts the ligament and I will be regret after 3-4 years.squat should not be too heavy as I am not competing ,why rushing ? yes I admit it,when I am standing up I tend to bounce so the lift will be easier.but I never realized thats a cheat form and could be potential harm to my knees.

Well,kinda speaking,he's much bigger than me and least years of experience,so now...I always think that squat should be go heavier,or i should follow to this guy advise? dont lock out,go slowly..

and my feel left knees knuckles cracking when I am doing front squat..which I recheck my form,its should be shoulder stance,foot pointing outwards,hips go downs,knees not over toes....it is not pain but feel weird....

There are not over than 5 people squating in the gym room,and only 1 people who doing deadlift,thats me ! none-of any instructor there,which I barely cant find a big bodybuilder and ask for the skill helps.

Someone enligthen me , I am confused,especially the knees cracking part seriously bothering me,and I might not want to harm my knees,I know squat is way too important,but if I am doing it wrong end up this might be my last chapter of bodybuilding.I did googled,but too many version there ,confusing which 1 to follow.
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How were his legs? Don't take advice from someone who professes to do squats but goes 5inches down and up. Only someone with superior legs' development should advise you, not some yob with big biceps but with chopsticks for legs and super smooth calves.

Anyhow, yeah, bouncing is no good but then again did you bounce like a rabbit? I don't think so. From experience, locking my legs screwed me up as I went down. Ended up with a really sore back.
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post Nov 19 2010, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(elvenchou1987 @ Nov 19 2010, 10:18 AM)
You still at Priority Fitness bro?
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yes bro,haven seen you for a long time,if I am not mistaken you should 1 of the squaters in Priority too
Sadly is,no ones with nice leg development there.at least I haven meet anyone.


QUOTE(mcbarney666 @ Nov 19 2010, 11:08 AM)
How were his legs? Don't take advice from someone who professes to do squats but goes 5inches down and up. Only someone with superior legs' development should advise you, not some yob with big biceps but with chopsticks for legs and super smooth calves.

Anyhow, yeah, bouncing is no good but then again did you bounce like a rabbit? I don't think so. From experience, locking my legs screwed me up as I went down. Ended up with a really sore back.
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His legs??...
erm...I would say Ok...but its a lil bit tiny compare with his HUGE upper body.and I did see him squat before,
narrow stance then goes 45% degree,but I not sure there is any partial movement for those big guy so I dint dare to judge its a wrong form.

there are no superior legs' development in the gym.sadly say that sweat.gif neithers deadlift nor squat
bench press ,military press,barbell row.. yes there are alots out there

Yes I dont bounce like a rabbit,I was like go down slowly..then explode up...end up might locking the leg,but I dint felt any back pain from front squat.

my lower body is overweight compare with my upperbody.

This post has been edited by theCrab: Nov 19 2010, 01:31 PM
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post Nov 19 2010, 09:05 PM

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Hey btw do u guys squat until ur ass almost touch the floor,or only until ur thighs are parallel to the floor?
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post Nov 20 2010, 12:27 AM

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@thecrab and @elvenchou1987
you guys meant PF @ Ivory ? When do you guys train ?
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post Nov 20 2010, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(shiloong7081 @ Nov 20 2010, 12:27 AM)
@thecrab and @elvenchou1987
you guys meant PF @ Ivory ? When do you guys train ?
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I met him few times,but I guess he is back to KL as what he told me
err...dont have an exact time.you training there too ?
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 20 2010, 12:43 AM)
I met him few times,but I guess he is back to KL as what he told me
err...dont have an exact time.you training there too ?
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yep. mornings only
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post Nov 20 2010, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(shiloong7081 @ Nov 20 2010, 07:35 PM)
yep. mornings only
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cool bro,maybe we can grab some workout sometimes !
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post Nov 21 2010, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 19 2010, 01:30 PM)
yes bro,haven seen you for a long time,if I am not mistaken you should 1 of the squaters in Priority too
Sadly is,no ones with nice leg development there.at least I haven meet anyone.
His legs??...
erm...I would say Ok...but its a lil bit tiny compare with his HUGE upper body.and I did see him squat before,
narrow stance then goes 45% degree,but I not sure there is any partial movement for those big guy so I dint dare to judge its a wrong form.

there are no superior legs' development in the gym.sadly say that  sweat.gif neithers  deadlift nor squat
bench press ,military press,barbell row.. yes there are alots out there

Yes I dont bounce like a rabbit,I was like go down slowly..then explode up...end up might locking the leg,but I dint felt any back pain from front squat.

my lower body is overweight compare with my upperbody.
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I assume you're focusing on being a bodybuilder right? not a powerlifter...
only powerlifters need to lock out the knees to show that they "completed" the move.
training for hypertrophy, no need to lock the knees, and its also better for knee health in long run.
i had to learn this the hard way. but oh well, i dont lock my knees now.

and dude, u squat pretty heavy man! nice! whats yer weight?
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QUOTE(Neek @ Nov 21 2010, 01:41 AM)
I assume you're focusing on being a bodybuilder right? not a powerlifter...
only powerlifters need to lock out the knees to show that they "completed" the move.
training for hypertrophy, no need to lock the knees, and its also better for knee health in long run.
i had to learn this the hard way. but oh well, i dont lock my knees now.

and dude, u squat pretty heavy man! nice! whats yer weight?
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yea ! training for hypertrophy,strength is a bonus !
Well I will try next week...cant wait for it !

Squatting 70 lbs per side with standard olympic bar = 63 kg + 20 kg ==93 kg
I believe everyone in the forum can almost squat above 100 kg smile.gif
am weighting at 76 kg,strength gain goes well and being squat for 10 months,never skip squat even my wrist injured and rest for 2 months.
I guess I have to put on more weight and food,seriously thats unbalance strength and size among upper body and lower body

about the left knees knuckles cracking,I dont have to care yea...it doesnt feel pain but the feel is akward..

This post has been edited by theCrab: Nov 21 2010, 02:11 AM
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post Nov 21 2010, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Neek @ Nov 21 2010, 01:41 AM)
I assume you're focusing on being a bodybuilder right? not a powerlifter...
only powerlifters need to lock out the knees to show that they "completed" the move.
training for hypertrophy, no need to lock the knees, and its also better for knee health in long run.
i had to learn this the hard way. but oh well, i dont lock my knees now.

and dude, u squat pretty heavy man! nice! whats yer weight?
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Added on November 21, 2010, 12:58 pm
QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 21 2010, 02:08 AM)
yea ! training for hypertrophy,strength is a bonus !
Well I will try next week...cant wait for it !

Squatting 70 lbs per side with standard olympic bar = 63 kg + 20 kg ==93 kg
I believe everyone in the forum can almost squat above 100 kg  smile.gif 
am weighting at 76 kg,strength gain goes well and being squat for 10 months,never skip squat even my wrist injured and rest for 2 months.
I guess I have to put on more weight and food,seriously thats unbalance strength and size among upper body and lower body

about the left knees knuckles cracking,I dont have to care yea...it doesnt feel pain but the feel is akward..
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Here's an easier way to calculate the weight.

It's 93KG. Just add in a 20KG straight, as it's a part of the weight that you're lifting.

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post Nov 21 2010, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 21 2010, 02:08 AM)
yea ! training for hypertrophy,strength is a bonus !
Well I will try next week...cant wait for it !

Squatting 70 lbs per side with standard olympic bar = 63 kg + 20 kg ==93 kg
I believe everyone in the forum can almost squat above 100 kg  smile.gif 
am weighting at 76 kg,strength gain goes well and being squat for 10 months,never skip squat even my wrist injured and rest for 2 months.
I guess I have to put on more weight and food,seriously thats unbalance strength and size among upper body and lower body

about the left knees knuckles cracking,I dont have to care yea...it doesnt feel pain but the feel is akward..
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erm, well...not trying to be nitpicky here but

isnt 63 + 20 = 83? laugh.gif

you're wrong though, i never tried above 100kg squats, not until i get a belt.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Nov 21 2010, 02:14 PM)
erm, well...not trying to be nitpicky here but

isnt 63 + 20 = 83?  laugh.gif

you're wrong though, i never tried above 100kg squats, not until i get a belt.
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doh.gif thanks for the correction bro

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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Nov 19 2010, 09:05 PM)
Hey btw do u guys squat until ur ass almost touch the floor,or only until ur thighs are parallel to the floor?
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i only do till parallel but thn again im no pro, cant say i have superb leg development.
i dont free squat due to a chronic injury (no pain alrdy thanks to my superb therapist, but still mobility is not 100%), but compensate with the hack squat and vertical leg press.
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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Nov 21 2010, 03:12 PM)
i only do till parallel but thn again im no pro, cant say i have superb leg development.
i dont free squat due to a chronic injury (no pain alrdy thanks to my superb therapist, but still mobility is not 100%), but compensate with the hack squat and vertical leg press.
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Ah yea I heard parellel is better cos it doesn't put strain on the knees smile.gif
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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Nov 21 2010, 03:12 PM)
i only do till parallel but thn again im no pro, cant say i have superb leg development.
i dont free squat due to a chronic injury (no pain alrdy thanks to my superb therapist, but still mobility is not 100%), but compensate with the hack squat and vertical leg press.
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Can I know you all choosing stiff-leg deadlift instead of romanian deadlift?
Preventing overgrowth of hips ? ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 21 2010, 06:42 PM)
Can I know you all choosing stiff-leg deadlift instead of romanian deadlift?
Preventing overgrowth of hips ?  ohmy.gif
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eh? i do both, overgrowth of hips?
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hey guys,

joining gym soon, where should i start from? i've never been to a gym centre before.

Shall i start with some cardio trainings first?
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 21 2010, 06:42 PM)
Can I know you all choosing stiff-leg deadlift instead of romanian deadlift?
Preventing overgrowth of hips ?  ohmy.gif
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umm ok heres the thing. SLDL, Romanian deadlift... i cld b wrong, but to me they both target the same muscles. hams and glutes, and lower back involvement is minimal (frm what i feel at least). honestly sometimes whn i look at myself in the mirror it looks like im doing a Romanian, but i call it SLDL anyways since my legs do not move, and a slight bend in the knee is mantained, together with the hip pushing to the back as the weight is lowered.

now some sites advocate that THATS the way to do RDLs, and that SLDLs are done with knees completely locked out, and some variants are done to the extent that the back is rounded slightly. but then again i have seen many different sites with varying explainations and definitions of the SLDL and RDL. some people even say the slight rounding of the back in SLDL and locking is wrong. perhaps the RDL is the SLDL after all, just slapped with a fancy name? im not sure. so to me, SLDL = legs not moving. hamstrings and glutes hit. simple as that. i personally do a mix of both locked out and slightly bent knee, the reason is that the slight bend in the knee allows me to lower the weight farther, whereas the completely locked position allows me to get a burn / muscle tension with a very small ROM and lighter weights

unless if people are confusing the terms with the regular DL. and in this case there is a big difference between RDL and the normal DL, or SLDL and the normal DL.

overgrowth of hip? i really dont think this is an issue with deads. as a matter of fact i think squats cause more hip growth than DLs.


then again... i cld be mistaken. pros are welcome to critique and correct this statement smile.gif smile.gif

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