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post Oct 1 2010, 10:27 AM


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Hi All,

Which car is more worthy to buy between New Altis D-VVTI and Sylphy?
From my research, Sylphy seems to have high chance of getting dashboard and steering noise. For a car over 100k, it will be really intolerable with this kind of noise.

But in price wise, Sylphy is much cheaper and can save about RM10k.

Can anyone pls enlighten me which one is better?
Thank you very much in adv.
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post Oct 1 2010, 10:41 AM


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why sylphy have the high chance of getting steering noise?
based on size..sylphy much bigger...better rear leg room.
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Oct 1 2010, 10:41 AM)
why sylphy have the high chance of getting steering noise?
based on size..sylphy much bigger...better rear leg room.
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I think he meant steering knocking sound when turning. Apparently there are a number of users having this issue in their sylphy.
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sylphy looks very uncle-ish. my vote for altis.
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post Oct 1 2010, 10:55 AM


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my vote for altis also..got dual vvti with 7 speed gear..also look more sporty then sylphy..
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Selphy got high resale value if compare with altis??
I heard it is more comfortable riding compare with civic and altis..
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QUOTE(kingoffighter @ Oct 1 2010, 10:27 AM)
Hi All,

Which car is more worthy to buy between New Altis D-VVTI and Sylphy?
From my research, Sylphy seems to have high chance of getting dashboard and steering noise. For a car over 100k, it will be really intolerable with this kind of noise.

But in price wise, Sylphy is much cheaper and can save about RM10k.

Can anyone pls enlighten me which one is better?
Thank you very much in adv.
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The steering and the dashboard noise was yesterday issue already and fixed. For both cars, in terms of comfortable, noise insulation and interior space, Sylphy will be the winner, especially the interior space and noise insulation. For handling, I think both car almost the same because I read a magazine from Taiwan and they tested these 2 cars and the result almost the same, just that Sylphy ahead of the Altis by very tiny margin, so for me, both just the same.
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post Oct 1 2010, 11:11 AM


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altis for me.
smooth and quiet at high speed cruise
2k rpm at 110kmph
but IMO 132k to get this is..... simply.... absurd

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post Oct 1 2010, 11:48 AM


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QUOTE(theanswer @ Oct 1 2010, 10:41 AM)
why sylphy have the high chance of getting steering noise?
based on size..sylphy much bigger...better rear leg room.
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if i'm not wrong, sylphy is longer, while altis is wider,
so u get better legroom in sylphy, but narrower body which makes it uncomfortable for 3 adults at the back,
while 3 adults can probably sit more comfortably in altis with moderate legroom..
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post Oct 1 2010, 12:09 PM


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waiting nissan put neo vvl
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post Oct 1 2010, 12:23 PM


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Actually what you are looking at when buying a car?
comfort, performance, durability, after sales service, look etc etc?

for me new altis price is rather high. not only altis but also the toyota vios (trd version) as well. the price is not really worth it compared to other same segment car brand.
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post Oct 1 2010, 12:58 PM


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thanks all for the feedback. i care more about the comfortability and reliability and a car that gives me nearly zero-defect.

actually i am comparing between these 2 models
sylphy luxury = rm118,880 (but there is big discount given now smile.gif
altis 1.8g = rm122,990

so for price wise sylphy definitely win altis 1.8g kao kao provided there will be big discount given by nissan.

anyhow i will go to test drive both and decide. but for the look, i definitely prefer altis more than sylphy. i just dislike the front look of sylphy where its head lamp looks a bit weird to me. but i am still able to accept as it really saves me a lot of money smile.gif
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post Oct 1 2010, 02:10 PM


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I will definitely vote for Altis.

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post Oct 1 2010, 02:25 PM


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1 vote for Sylphy, T brand really price their product too overpriced.
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post Oct 1 2010, 02:32 PM


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If you're looking for comfort or a family car, go Sylphy.
If you want to do sporty, go Civic.

The Altis is stuck in no man's land for me. Especially with the overpriced price tag.
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post Oct 1 2010, 02:34 PM


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Heard CVT got problem.
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QUOTE(UbuntuClient @ Oct 1 2010, 02:34 PM)
Heard CVT got problem.
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test drive rules!

i would say just buy the car which u think suits u the most.

ur money wont go wrong with either model.

I bought Sylphy because my top priority was comfort then follow with the price and affordability. I got huge discount around 8k for luxury nav model not only that i also got 2.88% for 5 years loan.


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QUOTE(kingoffighter @ Oct 1 2010, 12:58 PM)
thanks all for the feedback. i care more about the comfortability and reliability and a car that gives me nearly zero-defect.

actually i am comparing between these 2 models
sylphy luxury = rm118,880 (but there is big discount given now smile.gif
altis 1.8g = rm122,990

so for price wise sylphy definitely win altis 1.8g kao kao provided there will be big discount given by nissan.

anyhow i will go to test drive both and decide. but for the look, i definitely prefer altis more than sylphy. i just dislike the front look of sylphy where its head lamp looks a bit weird to me. but i am still able to accept as it really saves me a lot of money smile.gif
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U need to also take into account the after sales service standards and resale values. This will contribute to the long term cost of your car. The Altis will excel here. Plus Toyota is well known for its excellent after sales service.

And dont forget that the Altis 1.8G and 2.0V comes with the Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) while the Sylphy only has ABS, EBD and BA.

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QUOTE(kevin613 @ Oct 1 2010, 11:48 AM)
if i'm not wrong, sylphy is longer, while altis is wider,
so u get better legroom in sylphy, but narrower body which makes it uncomfortable for 3 adults at the back,
while 3 adults can probably sit more comfortably in altis with moderate legroom..
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Rear legroom wise, the Altis only has only marginally more space compared to the Vios. THe older Altis had more space at the rear.
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In terms of maintenance, Nissan provides only 90 days/5000km warranty on original Nissan parts replaced after the vehicle warranty period. Toyota provides 12 months /20,000km warranty on all genuine Toyota parts replaced. Toyota also has a much wider spread of service centres as compared to Nissan. This is important too.

Thats why its always important to look at the fine print. These are some of the factors which buyers normally overlook when purchasing a car. We tend to be more concerned about the physical looks, specs and price without taking maintenance factors into consideration.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 1 2010, 03:28 PM)
Rear legroom wise, the Altis only has only marginally more space compared to the Vios. THe older Altis had more space at the rear.
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This i agreed with u.. Somehow i sit in i feel this new altis is more sempit compare with the older model...
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post Oct 1 2010, 03:57 PM


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agree with master98 rclxms.gif actually i am comparing these two model as well, but i think Altis is a better choice. just personal opinion. whistling.gif
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post Oct 1 2010, 04:01 PM


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Go for Altis, coz I am a sales advisor from Toyota......hehehhee
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post Oct 1 2010, 04:41 PM


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QUOTE(altis2881 @ Oct 1 2010, 04:01 PM)
Go for Altis, coz I am a sales advisor from Toyota......hehehhee
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Is this for real? Well i would like to ask u about your current financing packages for the Altis and Camry. Also other goodies on offer for both these models.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 1 2010, 04:41 PM)
Is this for real? Well i would like to ask u about your current financing packages for the Altis and Camry. Also other goodies on offer for both these models.
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PM me as well as I'm interested with the 1.8g altis rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 1 2010, 02:32 PM)
If you're looking for comfort or a family car, go Sylphy.
If you want to do sporty, go Civic.

The Altis is stuck in no man's land for me. Especially with the overpriced price tag.
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This thread is about comparing Altis and Sylphy, Civic is not the list.

QUOTE(UbuntuClient @ Oct 1 2010, 02:34 PM)
Heard CVT got problem.
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Source? Don't come in and simply bash one sentence then run away from thread.


My view on both car is both of them have their own advantage and positive side, do test drive both car so you can make your decision right.


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post Oct 1 2010, 05:45 PM


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i vote altis as this time come with
new engine (dual vvti),
CVT, 7 speed,
Vehicle Stability Control (VSC),
driver seat button adjustment,
paddle shift,
OEM solar tint,

im 100% sure abv exist in the 2.0 but not sure for the 1.8 (forgot jor & lazy to check)..

yes, 2.0 sell at 132k, i don think it is over price.
let see the civic 2.0 at 128k which has no CVT, CVT is not cheap.
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QUOTE(kingoffighter @ Oct 1 2010, 12:58 PM)
so for price wise sylphy definitely win altis 1.8g kao kao provided there will be big discount given by nissan.
Sylphy no steering audio control, no VSC, drum brake @ rear, no foldable rear seats, rear parking sensor only; but 2.0.

And for 4k more, you have:
Altis has audio control, VSC, disc brake, foldable rear seats, powered driver seat, front (2 cell) & rear (4 cell) parking sensor; but 1.8.


The Taiwan version of Sylphy has steering audio control, pollution detector (so that the aircon don't automatically allow fresh air in, while the malaysia version will 'randomly' allow fresh air in - complained by few Sylphy owner).


Well, I would definitely get Sylphy if this facelift were just cosmetic change and remains @ 4AT. But now... it is harder to decide which one.

p/s: Comparing with Civic 2.0, Altis 2.0V is overpriced in the sense that Civic 2.0 has 6 air bags.



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Take the Altis.Its a joy to drive.

Slphy engine is smooth,but cuz of the CVT,lacks the oomph.The driving experience feels very bland just like the latio sport 1.6.I thought it was nice to drive,but when i test drove it,the engine was just too "WEAK"...

For RM 132k ,the altis is worth it.And you get excellent service at Toyota service centres.

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for TS, when you want to buy new car, i suggest you wait until end of 2011, you would be get shock there will some new cars to be launched for you to compare sylphy & altis.
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QUOTE(papaya2 @ Oct 1 2010, 06:43 PM)
for TS, when you want to buy new car, i suggest you wait until end of 2011, you would be get shock there will some new cars to be launched for you to compare sylphy & altis.
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END 2011???
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Oct 1 2010, 06:27 PM)
Take the Altis.Its a joy to drive.

Slphy engine is smooth,but cuz of the CVT,lacks the oomph.The driving experience feels very bland just like the latio sport 1.6.I thought it was nice to drive,but when i test drove it,the engine was just too "WEAK"...

For RM 132k ,the altis is worth it.And you get excellent service at Toyota service centres.
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both sylphy and altis are using cvt
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my vote go to nissan sylphy..bcoz i'm a nissan sales advisor smile.gif
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Oct 1 2010, 06:27 PM)
Take the Altis.Its a joy to drive.

Slphy engine is smooth,but cuz of the CVT,lacks the oomph.The driving experience feels very bland just like the latio sport 1.6.I thought it was nice to drive,but when i test drove it,the engine was just too "WEAK"...

For RM 132k ,the altis is worth it.And you get excellent service at Toyota service centres.
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I assume you didn't know what is TS asking! Altis 2.0 and Sylphy 2.0 both is using CVT gear. And the difference in between these 2 cars are the Altis can be changed the gear "manually" which is computer will fix the ratio for the CVT. Sylphy didn't have such feature. Sylphy engine is too "WEAK", then I think you get it wrong, not the engine weak, but the CVT gear make the engine quieter because the RPM can't go beyond 2K in normal driving condition, unless you switch it to "SPORT" mode.

Dual VVT-i actually is just the same as the Nissan CVTC, both of this engine offer the valve timing control for the intake and exhaust valves, not like the old VVT-i or VTC on Sentra, only offer the valve timing control for the intake valves only. And the Toyota service is excellent, I was wondering whether you are lucky or what, but I still believe some of the service center is very polite and the service is good, but some is just damn....,

in my opinion, Sylphy isn't cheaper than Altis if you compare the features and gadgets that Toyota Altis offer. But one word, looking for good handling car, please avoid these 2 cars, if looking for comfortable and quiet ride, just take the Sylphy and you won't regret, as for Altis, if you like the TOYOTA brand more than anything, no offence, just take it!
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QUOTE(hosiery2u @ Oct 1 2010, 07:07 PM)
I assume you didn't know what is TS asking! Altis 2.0 and Sylphy 2.0 both is using CVT gear. And the difference in between these 2 cars are the Altis can be changed the gear "manually" which is computer will fix the ratio for the CVT. Sylphy didn't have such feature. Sylphy engine is too "WEAK", then I think you get it wrong, not the engine weak, but the CVT gear make the engine quieter because the RPM can't go beyond 2K in normal driving condition, unless you switch it to "SPORT" mode.

Dual VVT-i actually is just the same as the Nissan CVTC, both of this engine offer the valve timing control for the intake and exhaust valves, not like the old VVT-i or VTC on Sentra, only offer the valve timing control for the intake valves only. And the Toyota service is excellent, I was wondering whether you are lucky or what, but I still believe some of the service center is very polite and the service is good, but some is just damn....,

in my opinion, Sylphy isn't cheaper than Altis if you compare the features and gadgets that Toyota Altis offer. But one word, looking for good handling car, please avoid these 2 cars, if looking for comfortable and quiet ride, just take the Sylphy and you won't regret, as for Altis, if you like the TOYOTA brand more than anything, no offence, just take it!
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wow rpm kenot go beyond 2k rpm on normal driving??
what if i wana over take or going uphill but i dont know about switch for power mode?
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QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Oct 1 2010, 10:51 AM)
I think he meant steering knocking sound when turning. Apparently there are a number of users having this issue in their sylphy.
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same as nissan latio and livina...common problem
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Comfort
1. selphy 2. altis 3. civic

Legroom
1. Selphy 2. Civic 3. Altis

Performance(from Paper figure, very subjective)
1. Civic 2.Altis 3.Selphy

Handling
1. civic 2.altis 3.selphy


juz my humble opinion, no flame. for me altis at RM 130k+ is really overprice, the fuel/boot lifter at the driver right side is just like proton saga type, worst than persona. see urself. btw, if u dun mind the look and interior of selphy, definitely is a good choice. but selphy top speed is only 190km/h and rim only 15inch, no rear disc brake. really down for a 2.0cc engine car.

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why don't VW Polo?.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(hosiery2u @ Oct 1 2010, 07:07 PM)
Dual VVT-i actually is just the same as the Nissan CVTC.
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CVTC is only equivalent of VVT-i. Similarly VTC is equivalent to VVT.

Unless specifically mentioned, MR20DE is only on the intake. Known CVTC on intake & exhaust, AFAIK is VQ35HR.

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QUOTE(altis2881 @ Oct 1 2010, 04:01 PM)
Go for Altis, coz I am a sales advisor from Toyota......hehehhee
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Pls share package/promo for Camry 2.0G. Is it phasing out anytime soon?
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QUOTE(ADVAN @ Oct 1 2010, 10:56 AM)
Selphy got high resale value if compare with altis??
I heard it is more comfortable riding compare with civic and altis..
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Resale values are mostly determined by demand. If the original car doesnt sell well, good chance the resale value will be poor. Lower cc cars will have higher percentage of resale value compared to higher cc cars simply because of demand and customer base.

Nissan resale values have never been close to that of Toyota or Honda. Thus, the Civic and Altis will surely get much higher resale values in the future.
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QUOTE(hosiery2u @ Oct 1 2010, 07:07 PM)
And the Toyota service is excellent, I was wondering whether you are lucky or what, but I still believe some of the service center is very polite and the service is good, but some is just damn....,
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Ive been using Toyota for the past 7.5 yrs and serviced my car at various SC from Johor to Penang. Ive found that Toyota service standards are far better compared to even Honda or any of the Korean makes. Of course there will always be certain SC which do not perform to par but when human factor is involved there is always a certain degree of non compliance.

But generally, im very happy with the personal touch that Toyota gives all its customers. Thats why i have always serviced my car there even if it costs a bit more but it gives me peace of mind and they do an excellent job. My car is in prime condition despite its age.

And no im not a Toyota salesman. Just a very satisfied customer. This gives me a headache as i intend to change my car next year but am not willing to leave Toyota. Any ideas when the new Camry is gonna be released? smile.gif

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QUOTE(Travies @ Oct 1 2010, 08:33 PM)
Comfort
1. selphy 2. altis 3. civic

Legroom
1. Selphy 2. Civic 3. Altis

Performance(from Paper figure, very subjective)
1. Civic 2.Altis 3.Selphy

Handling
1. civic 2.altis 3.selphy
juz my humble opinion, no flame. for me altis at RM 130k+ is really overprice, the fuel/boot lifter at the driver right side is just like proton saga type, worst than persona. see urself. btw, if u dun mind the look and interior of selphy, definitely is a good choice. but selphy top speed is only 190km/h and rim only 15inch, no rear disc brake. really down for a 2.0cc engine car.
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1.Civic, 2. Altis, 3 Selphy.
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I tested the sylphy and the altis 1.8e (as the price is quite similar) and this is my finding.

Pick up the altis is better, both are equally smooth. Sylphy has better seating dynamics in the rear, leg room is better.

Altis I get 1k discount sylphy 6k. I was told other places can give as much as 10k for the sylphy.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 2 2010, 09:38 AM)
Ive found that Toyota service standards are far better compared to even Honda or any of the Korean makes.
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wow, you own honda, toyota, car from all korean maker in 7.5 year
impressive.
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QUOTE(Glau @ Oct 2 2010, 06:14 PM)
Altis I get 1k discount sylphy 6k. I was told other places can give as much as 10k for the sylphy.
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At one point this year, the most I saw is RM8k. Never RM10k. But obviously I didn't check every single Nissan dealer. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(pds_disi @ Oct 2 2010, 07:33 PM)
wow, you own honda, toyota, car from all korean maker in 7.5 year
impressive.
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additional note, good after sales services? really? don talk about after sales service first.

One of the reason why I buy city over vios is that, when i first went into the showroom and was alone looking at the vios for 10 mins and heck? 2 salesman was chit chatting and just treating me like hollow man, then i just asked how long would the E spec vios delivery time? the salesman whispered to another then answer me very long, need 2 months and said take TRD LAR, less than 1 month, then 2 fellas continue chit chatting. GOOD SALES SERVICE???? wow... impressive! rclxms.gif

Honda sales service is far better if u ask me in my opinion, one salesgirl just quickly go to the counter to get the brochure and approach me once i open the door of the show car. without asking, she tells me everything, the difference between S and E spec and so on.

My house owns 2 toyota, camry and rush, I took both to service before. I dont see their service is excellent also, dont mention excellent, good is also off the par. I remember the rush has some problem with the brake pad and needed to be replaced, i complaint during the 2nd service and that service advisor told me need to wait for about a week for the part to arrive, waited after a week.... 2nd week... and 3rd week... no calls, I called them and they say : yaya it is here for very long already, bring your car over. no follow up from them? good service? yeah! GREAT after sales service.

Even my dad said the Honda service centre provides better services when he took my car for the 1k service. He himself drives camry for 7 years.
Toyota charge me 20 bucks for car wash and forgotten to vacuum? only do it when i ask?
Honda give me car wash for FREE and do some touch-up paint on stone chips and do some polish on the light scratches part WITHOUT ME ASKING.

some might said i'm still new to Honda or the period is still too short to judge or even might be biased. but this is just my personal opinion, I dont need others to agree or tell me who is better because I experience both and i myself can judge on which is better for me.
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Oct 3 2010, 01:46 AM)
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additional note, good after sales services? really? don talk about after sales service first.

One of the reason why I buy city over vios is that, when i first went into the showroom and was alone looking at the vios for 10 mins and heck? 2 salesman was chit chatting and just treating me like hollow man, then i just asked how long would the E spec vios delivery time? the salesman whispered to another then answer me very long, need 2 months and said take TRD LAR, less than 1 month, then 2 fellas continue chit chatting. GOOD SALES SERVICE???? wow... impressive!  rclxms.gif

Honda sales service is far better if u ask me in my opinion, one salesgirl just quickly go to the counter to get the brochure and approach me once i open the door of the show car. without asking, she tells me everything, the difference between S and E spec and so on.

My house owns 2 toyota, camry and rush, I took both to service before. I dont see their service is excellent also, dont mention excellent, good is also off the par. I remember the rush has some problem with the brake pad and needed to be replaced, i complaint during the 2nd service and that service advisor told me need to wait for about a week for the part to arrive, waited after a week.... 2nd week... and 3rd week... no calls, I called them and they say : yaya it is here for very long already, bring your car over. no follow up from them? good service? yeah! GREAT after sales service.

Even my dad said the Honda service centre provides better services when he took my car for the 1k service. He himself drives camry for 7 years.
Toyota charge me 20 bucks for car wash and forgotten to vacuum? only do it when i ask?
Honda give me car wash for FREE and do some touch-up paint on stone chips and do some polish on the light scratches part WITHOUT ME ASKING.

some might said i'm still new to Honda or the period is still too short to judge or even might be biased. but this is just my personal opinion, I dont need others to agree or tell me who is better because I experience both and i myself can judge on which is better for me.
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the toyota SC service is dissapointing, but not all SC in m'sia or not every SA is bad. IMHO, T invested a lot on the outlook of the service centre, facilities, but the staff employed were not as competent as they should be. The toyota car wash even it's free i also ignore it, as we can't see how our car is washed, they might just use rough cloth to mop your car.
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I owned 2 toyotas for more than 8 years and I go to toyota sc everytime. I never experienced any complains like what some forumers pointed out, it's nearing to perfect on what I have experienced, great service, follow up and well, great centers. I have not tried all the toyota scs, i always go to the same 3 outlets, the one at Sec14, jalan templer & puchong. Wait, i did mumble once, which is when is the right time to rotate the rear tyre to the front, different technician told me different milage.

I also did some research from my friends who were driving Honda on the quality of Honda SC before i changed into my 2nd toyota too, well, they told me complains and all the flaws which they were very disappointed on.

So what can we conclude from here? Like some said, "when human factor is involved there is always a certain degree of non compliance." Perhaps i am lucky, or perhaps, my toyotas are very reliable which I never had any major issues on them. Cross finger it will be like this for the rest of my 2nd toyota days.

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for toyota, branch SC is always better than dealer's SC...
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for toyota, branch SC is always better than dealer's SC...
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This rule probably applies to all brands, as dealers' SCs are usually not run quite as tightly as the principle branches'. All brands should take note of this when appointing dealerships. Really brings a bad name to any brand.
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QUOTE(pds_disi @ Oct 2 2010, 07:33 PM)
wow, you own honda, toyota, car from all korean maker in 7.5 year
impressive.
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Do i need to personally own all car makes to make a independent assessment? Have u heard of different cars sitting in the same house used by different members of the family?
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QUOTE(Glau @ Oct 2 2010, 06:14 PM)
I tested the sylphy and the altis 1.8e (as the price is quite similar) and this is my finding.

Pick up the altis is better, both are equally smooth. Sylphy has better seating dynamics in the rear, leg room is better.

Altis I get 1k discount sylphy 6k. I was told other places can give as much as 10k for the sylphy.
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I have tested both car as well but the outcome is kinda the other way round. biggrin.gif

sylphy is using CVT thus it is way smoother than the altis. Since sylphy trasmission is unnoticeable so that is why you can't feel the pick up ooommph??? But for me sylphy pickup is excellent and not sluggish as conventional auto transmission.

So for comfort I will go for sylphy but for look I will go for altis

The is just my personal experience and comments. But then again it is all boils down to individual preferences.

Car A might be good for certain ppl but not for me or vice versa. smile.gif
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Oct 3 2010, 01:46 AM)
+1  rclxms.gif

additional note, good after sales services? really? don talk about after sales service first.

One of the reason why I buy city over vios is that, when i first went into the showroom and was alone looking at the vios for 10 mins and heck? 2 salesman was chit chatting and just treating me like hollow man, then i just asked how long would the E spec vios delivery time? the salesman whispered to another then answer me very long, need 2 months and said take TRD LAR, less than 1 month, then 2 fellas continue chit chatting. GOOD SALES SERVICE???? wow... impressive!  rclxms.gif

Honda sales service is far better if u ask me in my opinion, one salesgirl just quickly go to the counter to get the brochure and approach me once i open the door of the show car. without asking, she tells me everything, the difference between S and E spec and so on.

My house owns 2 toyota, camry and rush, I took both to service before. I dont see their service is excellent also, dont mention excellent, good is also off the par. I remember the rush has some problem with the brake pad and needed to be replaced, i complaint during the 2nd service and that service advisor told me need to wait for about a week for the part to arrive, waited after a week.... 2nd week... and 3rd week... no calls, I called them and they say : yaya it is here for very long already, bring your car over. no follow up from them? good service? yeah! GREAT after sales service.

Even my dad said the Honda service centre provides better services when he took my car for the 1k service. He himself drives camry for 7 years.
Toyota charge me 20 bucks for car wash and forgotten to vacuum? only do it when i ask?
Honda give me car wash for FREE and do some touch-up paint on stone chips and do some polish on the light scratches part WITHOUT ME ASKING.

some might said i'm still new to Honda or the period is still too short to judge or even might be biased. but this is just my personal opinion, I dont need others to agree or tell me who is better because I experience both and i myself can judge on which is better for me.
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Maybe your experience isnt correct. The Toyota car wash & vacuum is only RM9.00. How can you posssibly say its RM 20? The Toyota Rush had to replace its brake pads after the 2nd service? Brake pads not available?

For your info, brake pads are not considered as long lead items in Toyota. Its a common item that is replaced very frequently. Thus all Toyota branches keep ample stock of such items which very very rarely run out. The same as engine oil, oil filters, spark plus, etc. These stocks are delivered in bulk to each service centre on a monthly basis. If u check with any Toyota Service centre, you will know that each SC has 3 months of this stock available at any one time.

Honda does paint touch up's for you? Could you please provide me with the exact branch or service centre. I would like to check cuz as far as i know only a few service centres come with a vehicle repair & paint centre. No normal service centre would do paint touch up's.

Something doesnt sound right with your claims here.
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QUOTE(LONGandBIG @ Oct 3 2010, 12:36 PM)
the toyota SC service is dissapointing, but not all SC in m'sia or not every SA is bad. IMHO, T invested a lot on the outlook of the service centre, facilities, but the staff employed were not as competent as they should be. The toyota car wash even it's free i also ignore it, as we can't see how our car is washed, they might just use rough cloth to mop your car.
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How do u know Toyota SC is disappointing? Do u own a Toyota? Rough cloth to mop the car???
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QUOTE(lovehewit @ Oct 3 2010, 02:38 PM)
I owned 2 toyotas for more than 8 years and I go to toyota sc everytime. I never experienced any complains like what some forumers pointed out, it's nearing to perfect on what I have experienced, great service, follow up and well, great centers. I have not tried all the toyota scs, i always go to the same 3 outlets, the one at Sec14, jalan templer & puchong. Wait, i did mumble once, which is when is the right time to rotate the rear tyre to the front, different technician told me different milage.

I also did some research from my friends who were driving Honda on the quality of Honda SC before i changed into my 2nd toyota too, well, they told me complains and all the flaws which they were very disappointed on.

So what can we conclude from here? Like some said, "when human factor is involved there is always a certain degree of non compliance." Perhaps i am lucky, or perhaps, my toyotas are very reliable which I never had any major issues on them. Cross finger it will be like this for the rest of my 2nd toyota days.
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I dont think ure lucky. Ive had my Vios for 7.5 yrs and serviced my car from JB to KL to Penang and all have provided me with the same exemplary service.
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Maybe your experience isnt correct. The Toyota car wash & vacuum is only RM9.00. How can you posssibly say its RM 20? The Toyota Rush had to replace its brake pads after the 2nd service? Brake pads not available?

For your info, brake pads are not considered as long lead items in Toyota. Its a common item that is replaced very frequently. Thus all Toyota branches keep ample stock of such items which very very rarely run out. The same as engine oil, oil filters, spark plus, etc. These stocks are delivered in bulk to each service centre on a monthly basis. If u check with any Toyota Service centre, you will know that each SC has 3 months of this stock available at any one time.

Honda does paint touch up's for you? Could you please provide me with the exact branch or service centre. I would like to check cuz as far as i know only a few service centres come with a vehicle repair & paint centre. No normal service centre would do paint touch up's.

Something doesnt sound right with your claims here.
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not everyone will have such a good experience with SC. There are lots of SC throughout malaysia so it is normal if there is one or two SC that is s*ucks. Maybe he is just bad luck or he doesn't know how to look for good SC. Otherwise you can recommend some good SC to him smile.gif

By the way, I do agree with him on the sales person part, their sales person seems arrogant. They didn't even greet me with a smile when I walked into their shops. I went to honda and nissan show rooms as well and their sales person attitude is way better then toyota.


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How do u know Toyota SC is disappointing? Do u own a Toyota? Rough cloth to mop the car???
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I commented based on my experiences when sent my medium silver vios TRD and altis pearl white to the SC
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Last saturday, me and my friend test this car. What i can say a lot different from Altis 2010. Handling is good, improve on braking system.
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I commented based on my experiences when sent my medium silver vios TRD and altis pearl white to the SC
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First of all you DID NOT provide any details of your so called 'bad experiences'. So how are we to know what exactly was bad? Secondly, do you mind telling me which SC u sent your car to?
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First of all you DID NOT provide any details of your so called 'bad experiences'. So how are we to know what exactly was bad? Secondly, do you mind telling me which SC u sent your car to?
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Penang Sg Pinang branch and Prai Branch. The detail of complaints I will need time for write up, probably tonight.
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QUOTE(LONGandBIG @ Oct 4 2010, 11:44 AM)
Penang Sg Pinang branch and Prai Branch. The detail of complaints I will need time for write up, probably tonight.
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Well, the first 3 yrs of my servicing was done at Prai (where i bought my car as well). Ive found them to be quite ok actually. The SC's in Klang Valley were better nevertheless.
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me going for sylphy...105k after discount for 2.0 car is too much to reject!!






much more comfy too!





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me going for sylphy...105k after discount for 2.0 car is too much to reject!!
much more comfy too!
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but the looks is too much to bear... laugh.gif

Seriously, if buying a car just as a mode of transport, then comfort, performance, handling, economy, price are the only things that one needs to consider. But most of the time, the looks of a car is the factor that seals the deal.

In this comparison, I think the Altis wins hands down on looks.
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i will go for 1.8 e, the main reason is i preferred the altis front view much more than sylphy (the front lamp of sylphy just not to my taste).

but i will delay the buy till next yr as it is near to the year end. even i place booking now, i can only get the car in Nov which it will chg to 1 yr old car after about 2 months. since i not really in hurry, i can wait till next year then smile.gif
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QUOTE(teelim @ Oct 4 2010, 12:56 PM)
but the looks is too much to bear...  laugh.gif

Seriously, if buying a car just as a mode of transport, then comfort, performance, handling, economy, price are the only things that one needs to consider. But most of the time, the looks of a car is the factor that seals the deal.

In this comparison, I think the Altis wins hands down on looks.
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if u put a bodykit to sylphy..its not that bad at all..normal bodykit laaa not that impul one...whats more important is your priority...if u prefer looks,definitely sylphy is not the best out there..if u prefer comfortable ride with extra few grand to spare,sylphy is the best out there...u want compromise between comfy & looks,altis is a gud choice..its not the best in terms of comfort,and its not the most beautiful in terms of looks nod.gif
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looks...who cares....

who on earth drive a car from outside....looks is irrelevant unless u want to boast around...and if u don't have exotic super duper car.....then its no point either to have good looking car since u can't boast.....

if u drive and feel suitable for any car,,,just buy it.....

runnnnnnnnnnn........
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me going for sylphy...105k after discount for 2.0 car is too much to reject!!
much more comfy too!
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Which showroom is giving u such a price?
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look is one of the important factors - with > 100k of spending, who will buy a car that the look is unattractive to him. and bear in mind you will face this car day by day.

another reason i choose altis becuz i can't find so many complaints toward altis compare to sylphy from the owners.

to name some of famous complaints on sylphy:
- dashboard noise
- steering turning noise
- dashboard pimples
- smell in cabin

i knew altis is more expensive compared to sylphy , but i am willing to spend more on it smile.gif
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QUOTE(kingoffighter @ Oct 4 2010, 03:04 PM)
look is one of the important factors - with > 100k of spending, who will buy a car that the look is unattractive to him. and bear in mind you will face this car day by day.

another reason i choose altis becuz i can't find so many complaints toward altis compare to sylphy from the owners.

to name some of famous complaints on sylphy:
- dashboard noise
- steering turning noise
- dashboard pimples
- smell in cabin

i knew altis is more expensive compared to sylphy , but i am willing to spend more on it smile.gif
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Is the Sylphy a 4 speed auto or a 5 speed? Cant see it mentioned anywhere in the brochure.
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Sylphy doesn't have any n-speed.
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Sylphy doesn't have any n-speed.
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really? Why? Even the new Altis CVT is a 7 speed virtual gearbox.
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QUOTE(kingoffighter @ Oct 4 2010, 03:04 PM)
look is one of the important factors - with > 100k of spending, who will buy a car that the look is unattractive to him. and bear in mind you will face this car day by day.

another reason i choose altis becuz i can't find so many complaints toward altis compare to sylphy from the owners.

to name some of famous complaints on sylphy:
- dashboard noise
- steering turning noise
- dashboard pimples
- smell in cabin

i knew altis is more expensive compared to sylphy , but i am willing to spend more on it smile.gif
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to be fair, i have heard more complains on the new altis compared to sylphy, so it just depends on who you speak to or where you read..the dashboard and steering noise are already corrected and are no longer present on the new lineups. most of the time, it is because the sound insulation of the cabin is good until even slight noise can be heard. in other cars, these noises may be drowned by the outside traffic smile.gif on the smell in cabin, it is because the owners do not know how to control/set the aircond function..well, thats what i can say on my part..

if you are going for the look, then i'd say it depends on each personal taste..if i am not mistaken, the new batch comes with aerokit, it somewhat compensates the look tongue.gif the look will grow on you over time..earlier on, you mentioned that comfort is your main criteria, and i had almost thought you will go with sylphy haha..

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really? Why? Even the new Altis CVT is a 7 speed virtual gearbox.
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i am not sure about the mechanism of the altis cvt, but for sylphy x-cvt, it basically has infinite number of ratios within the range..many complain that too smooth doesnt give you the 'responsive' feeling so perhaps that's why the altis introduced the 'virtual' gearbox thingy. for me, the only 'downside' of no responsive feeling of x-cvt is that you tend to go over the speed limit because you doesnt feel the 'gear changes'

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Sylphy dont have Traction Control ... I also put this 2 car in my list
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Sylphy dont have Traction Control ... I also put this 2 car in my list
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The Sylphy also has drum brakes for the rear right? How pre-historic is that for a 2.0L car? What about fuel consumption for the Sylphy?
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QUOTE(kingoffighter @ Oct 1 2010, 12:58 PM)
thanks all for the feedback. i care more about the comfortability and reliability and a car that gives me nearly zero-defect.

actually i am comparing between these 2 models
sylphy luxury = rm118,880 (but there is big discount given now smile.gif
altis 1.8g = rm122,990

so for price wise sylphy definitely win altis 1.8g kao kao provided there will be big discount given by nissan.

anyhow i will go to test drive both and decide. but for the look, i definitely prefer altis more than sylphy. i just dislike the front look of sylphy where its head lamp looks a bit weird to me. but i am still able to accept as it really saves me a lot of money smile.gif
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Mind to share with me how much discount they offered? I am thinking of getting either altis 1.6 or slyphy.

But hearsay Altis 1.6 under power wow....is that true?

any idea with the fuel consumption? how many cent per KM?


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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 4 2010, 04:44 PM)
really? Why? Even the new Altis CVT is a 7 speed virtual gearbox.
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Sylphy doesn't eletronically 'virtualized' the fake 7 speed on a perfectly infinite ratio gearbox. If they wanted too, any CVT gearbox, they could just make it +1 more 'gear' then the competitor.

Altis does it, and so is the CVT in previous gen Honda City. Just a syiok sendiri thing for people that need to have the feel of 'gear change'.

My ideal way of CVT is that the ECU (or TCU) will correctly optimizes the 'gear' ratio continuously under all condition in all situation without the annoying gear hunting (or gear faking) found in convention AT. For example:
- D: normal mode, fuel economy and stably increase speed, will maintain low revs while having reasonable pickup.
- S: sport mode, fastest way to accelerate and increase speed and f*** fuel economy.


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Mind to share with me how much discount they offered? I am thinking of getting either altis 1.6 or slyphy.

But hearsay Altis 1.6 under power wow....is that true?

any idea with the fuel consumption? how many cent per KM?
Thank for sharing ya~!  biggrin.gif
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Altis 1.6 is getting the lousy 4AT (UMWT can match the 1.6 engine with CVT anyway, they just didn't). So why get it? I'll give 100% vote to Sylphy if comparing Altis 1.6 to Sylphy. Heck, get Kia Forte 1.6 instead if you go for Altis 1.6. f*** resale value as Forte is already many thousands lesser. The only (in some way stupid) reason not to get Kia is the chance of getting a good SC.


For Altis, the deal is on 1.8G. Other variant is either lousy or overpriced.

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QUOTE(tammy @ Oct 5 2010, 02:20 PM)
Mind to share with me how much discount they offered? I am thinking of getting either altis 1.6 or slyphy.

But hearsay Altis 1.6 under power wow....is that true?

any idea with the fuel consumption? how many cent per KM?
Thank for sharing ya~!  biggrin.gif
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If u wanna talk about FC, then always use km/L not sen/KM as this will always change depending on fuel prices.

First of all what is your budget and do u have a trade in car? If u do, what car, model, year is that?
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The Sylphy also has drum brakes for the rear right? How pre-historic is that for a 2.0L car? What about fuel consumption for the Sylphy?
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ya, it still uses drum brake..no much comment on this as it still serves its function under normal driving..on fuel comsumption, getting 13-15km/l is normal
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 5 2010, 04:12 PM)
Sylphy doesn't eletronically 'virtualized' the fake 7 speed on a perfectly infinite ratio gearbox. If they wanted too, any CVT gearbox, they could just make it +1 more 'gear' then the competitor.

Altis does it, and so is the CVT in previous gen Honda City. Just a syiok sendiri thing for people that need to have the feel of 'gear change'.

My ideal way of CVT is that the ECU (or TCU) will correctly optimizes the 'gear' ratio continuously under all condition in all situation without the annoying gear hunting (or gear faking) found in convention AT. For example:
- D: normal mode, fuel economy and stably increase speed, will maintain low revs while having reasonable pickup.
- S: sport mode, fastest way to accelerate and increase speed and f*** fuel economy.


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Altis 1.6 is getting the lousy 4AT (UMWT can match the 1.6 engine with CVT anyway, they just didn't). So why get it? I'll give 100% vote to Sylphy if comparing Altis 1.6 to Sylphy. Heck, get Kia Forte 1.6 instead if you go for Altis 1.6. f*** resale value as Forte is already many thousands lesser. The only (in some way stupid) reason not to get Kia is the chance of getting a good SC.
For Altis, the deal is on 1.8G. Other variant is either lousy or overpriced.
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i think he missed out (probably skipped) the explanation on Altis's virtual 7 speed. that's why the term virtual. they've already explained it, it was made so to simulate conventional gear change. but in actual implementation, CVT has no actual fixed gear ratios.

btw, the 2.0 altis is such a dissapointment. the pricing, argh...wth. and it's not even the best spec toyota has, and yet UMW sees it fit to sell it here at 10K premium over the 1.8. i think it's about time buyers show them some consumer power. always taking us for a ride.
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sylphy 'teddy bear' cushion looks bit funny, but suprisingly comfy. went there last weekend with my mom sis n gf.

new altis seems not much diff.

i would go for the sylphy

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think for sylphy, they would give you lots of upgrades... for my sis, she got all the upgrades (6disc changer, navi + rear reverse cam, bodykits, v-kool and leather seats) free (except for nismo ones larr)... so essentially she got the highest specs for the comfort (lowest specs) price... low interest rate some more...

imo, if you are planning for altis, just go for the highest specs, else, it is quite dated...

space, sylphy simply wins by a big margin... apart from electronics, i don't know what else altis can beat sylphy in...
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QUOTE(mavericksam @ Oct 6 2010, 08:51 AM)
think for sylphy, they would give you lots of upgrades... for my sis, she got all the upgrades (6disc changer, navi + rear reverse cam, bodykits, v-kool and leather seats) free (except for nismo ones larr)... so essentially she got the highest specs for the comfort (lowest specs) price... low interest rate some more...

imo, if you are planning for altis, just go for the highest specs, else, it is quite dated...

space, sylphy simply wins by a big margin... apart from electronics, i don't know what else altis can beat sylphy in...
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may I know how much your sister's car? Total.

And how much the interest rate?

THANK!
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she bought it slightly over 80k (with AP for returning experts but then you can't sell the car for 5 yrs). that is the comfort price with AP.
Interest was 2.58% for 5 yrs i think.

Anyway do pm me if you need contacts. Am quite sure you could still get all the stuffs (luxury navi package) with the comfort package price (114k).
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The Sylphy also has drum brakes for the rear right? How pre-historic is that for a 2.0L car? What about fuel consumption for the Sylphy?
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Actually, what are ppl looking at when buying a car with rear disc brake/drum brake? I mean do they really consider the efficiency of the disc brake or just better look?

I drove a car with rear disc brake and a car with drum brake before and it make no significant differences. In fact for me the car with rear drum brake perform much better than the car with rear disc brake during rainy day.
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QUOTE(zeus2005 @ Oct 6 2010, 02:14 PM)
Actually, what are ppl looking at when buying a car with rear disc brake/drum brake? I mean do they really consider the efficiency of the disc brake or just better look?

I drove a car with rear disc brake and a car with drum brake before and it make no significant differences. In fact for me the car with rear drum brake perform much better than the car with rear disc brake during rainy day.
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Thats why u need an ABS system to go with your disk brakes for optimum braking. Rear disk brakes provide u with additional stopping power thats all so on a rainy day without an ABS, the tendency to skid is slightly higher if u dont have ABS and u slam your brakes.


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Thats why u need an ABS system to go with your disk brakes for optimum braking. Rear disk brakes provide u with additional stopping power thats all so on a rainy day without an ABS, the tendency to skid is slightly higher if u dont have ABS and u slam your brakes.
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There is not much point of having rear wheel ABS system (assuming you car already have ABS) if your car is a FWD... when you jam your brakes (to induce break locking), it goes to your fronts, not your rears... ESP will make use of the rear breaks, not ABS... Thus, there is no real significance if to have rear disc breaks...

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QUOTE(mavericksam @ Oct 6 2010, 02:46 PM)
There is not much point of having rear ABS system if your car is a FWD... when you jam your brakes (to induce break locking), it goes to your fronts, not your rears... ESP will make use of the rear breaks, not ABS... Thus, there is no real significance if to have rear disc breaks...
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har har har har har har har, are u sure?
which school u come from?
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facepalm....

seriously u cannot even spell brake correctly... its BRAKE not BREAK...
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har har har har har har har, are u sure?
which school u come from?
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facepalm....

seriously u cannot even spell brake correctly... its BRAKE not BREAK...
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har har har har har har har, are u sure?
which school u come from?
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facepalm....

seriously u cannot even spell brake correctly... its BRAKE not BREAK...
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I guess he's broken.
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can't even take a typo? hmm... nvm...
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the typo is a cheap shot from me... but in general the context of your post just make you look well.....
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my parent just bought sylphy luxury since hari raya....i still amazed with sylphy silent auto transmission...further more the power steering is electronic/electric generated means no need to power steering oil....

i can easily shoot to 170km/h without noticing it.....tried from shah alam to tangkak it takes about 1hr 45 minutes....

nissan have very good deal...my parent trade-in their old volvo with high price...they take it for 13k....since my cousin who just own sentra introduce us to sylphy....suprisingly he got 1k cash reward....everyone was happy...
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Oct 1 2010, 07:17 PM)
wow rpm kenot go beyond 2k rpm on normal driving??
what if i wana over take or going uphill but i dont know about switch for power mode?
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just press the oil paddle harder, then it auto change gear for you lo
now got paddle shift somemore, unless you dont know how to use la
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 5 2010, 04:12 PM)
Sylphy doesn't eletronically 'virtualized' the fake 7 speed on a perfectly infinite ratio gearbox. If they wanted too, any CVT gearbox, they could just make it +1 more 'gear' then the competitor.

Altis does it, and so is the CVT in previous gen Honda City. Just a syiok sendiri thing for people that need to have the feel of 'gear change'.

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Call it what you want, but having a virtual gear ratio is way better than not having one, esp for tackling corners at speed. 7 ratios is more than enough, spreading it even thinner with 8 or more is just moot and a pain to live with, especially on cars with limited torque bands. I've owned a City with said "7-speed" CVT, and I can tell you based on my experience that rowing through those virtual ratios around bends during speedy manouvers was definitely more confidence-inspiring than what I'm driving now, a 5-speeder Civic slushbox (sadly no paddle shift, 1.8 model). The effects of engine braking with a virtual ratio CVT is nearly as good as that of a manual tranny (manual trannies have the added benefit of a clutch with which to ease into a gear when gearing down while CVTs don't. Gear down too many steps too quickly on the latter and the front wheels will lock, affecting stability).

Having said that, for the best acceleration times, shifting the stick to "S" mode usually yields the best times as you are essentially pulling the engine up to its max torque band and holding it there the whole time while the ratios keep changing to catch up. The beauty of CVT is that it practically eliminates the flat spots of slushboxes with fixed ratios. This is how I used to keep up with the 1st gen Vios (120ps vs 88ps haha) on flats, while outgunning even a Perdana V6 up Genting smile.gif The only thing I didn't like about Honda's CVT was the absence of clutch lockup at the highest ratio.

IMO the best tranny out there at the moment is the DSG from VW, 2nd being the CVT with ratios *and* clutch lockup smile.gif

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and I can tell you based on my experience that rowing through those virtual ratios around bends during speedy manouvers was definitely more confidence-inspiring than what I'm driving now,

Well, this is the 'syiok sendiri" thing that I am talking. wink.gif


Anyway, I was told that there were no fluid coupling for their City CVT - if that were true you don't even need blame the absence of clutch lockup at all. Unless they had it wrong and it were having fluid coupling (torque converter) without lockup mechanism then I agree to your blame.
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Which showroom is giving u such a price?
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QUOTE(gregy @ Oct 7 2010, 02:52 AM)
Call it what you want, but having a virtual gear ratio is way better than not having one, esp for tackling corners at speed. 7 ratios is more than enough, spreading it even thinner with 8 or more is just moot and a pain to live with, especially on cars with limited torque bands. I've owned a City with said "7-speed" CVT, and I can tell you based on my experience that rowing through those virtual ratios around bends during speedy manouvers was definitely more confidence-inspiring than what I'm driving now, a 5-speeder Civic slushbox (sadly no paddle shift, 1.8 model). The effects of engine braking with a virtual ratio CVT is nearly as good as that of a manual tranny (manual trannies have the added benefit of a clutch with which to ease into a gear when gearing down while CVTs don't. Gear down too many steps too quickly on the latter and the front wheels will lock, affecting stability).

Having said that, for the best acceleration times, shifting the stick to "S" mode usually yields the best times as you are essentially pulling the engine up to its max torque band and holding it there the whole time while the ratios keep changing to catch up. The beauty of CVT is that it practically eliminates the flat spots of slushboxes with fixed ratios. This is how I used to keep up with the 1st gen Vios (120ps vs 88ps haha) on flats, while outgunning even a Perdana V6 up Genting smile.gif The only thing I didn't like about Honda's CVT was the absence of clutch lockup at the highest ratio.

IMO the best tranny out there at the moment is the DSG from VW, 2nd being the CVT with ratios *and* clutch lockup smile.gif
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Ford's Dual Clutch oso not bad.
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Do u have a contact there?
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Ford's Dual Clutch oso not bad.
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But, sadly no manual override function! So, if u always drive to Genting, u will be using the brakes often.

Previous City, Lancer GT, smart forfour, VW GTi and even latest Altis have manual override for manual shifting. Better to shift manually then letting the computer decides. Remember, computers aren't drivers and it does not feel the road like a real driver.
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Has anyone book the new altis? mind to share with me how much the sales person offer you?

I am asking for 1.8E, the sales person dun wan give me any discount. RM113k firmed wow.
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QUOTE(tammy @ Oct 7 2010, 05:08 PM)
Has anyone book the new altis? mind to share with me how much the sales person offer you?

I am asking for 1.8E, the sales person dun wan give me any discount. RM113k firmed wow.
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Yes there's no discounts for the new Altis models.
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 7 2010, 10:45 AM)
Well, this is the 'syiok sendiri" thing that I am talking. wink.gif 
Anyway, I was told that there were no fluid coupling for their City CVT - if that were true you don't even need blame the absence of clutch lockup at all. Unless they had it wrong and it were having fluid coupling (torque converter) without lockup mechanism then I agree to your blame.
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Syiok sendiri means it doesn't serve any meaningful purpose, when in fact the ratios do serve a *real* and useful purpose wink.gif So it's not just to make the owners feel good about themselves lol

I said specifically "Clutch lockup" because the City CVT uses a dry clutch mechanism, something like a manual tranny. Normal slushbox trannies have torque converter lockup, which although is a different thing but fundamentally the same, as it locks up the TC/clutch at the highest gear for cruising without slipping. On my City, I had to try real hard to keep the revs low at high speeds; it was never like this from the start, right up to the time of the CVT fiasco affecting many cars, to the point that Honda reprogrammed the engine to transmit less torque to the CVT, resulting in a higher rev at cruising speed. E.g., last time I was able to cruise easily at 100km/h with around 2k rpm, after the reprogramming the best I could do was 2.15k rpm sad.gif In other words, they made the CVT gear down when it reaches a specified torque level at any given ratio instead of allowing the torque to reach the wheels.

Nissan's Xtronic CVT uses a (wet) torque converter with lockup: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/10/05/024153.html This is a good example of how this type of trans is better than a regular CVT like that found on the City. Now if the Sylphy also had ratios to play with, it would be fantastic. Toyota also uses a TC with lockup on its 7-speed Super CVT-i. So on paper, the Toyota implementation seems to be the most ideal smile.gif


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Ford's Dual Clutch oso not bad.
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Ya, it's fundamentally the same as VW's DSG, so it ranks right up there smile.gif

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Do i need to personally own all car makes to make a independent assessment? Have u heard of different cars sitting in the same house used by different members of the family?
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i heard that my mum ask me to go fix her vios seatbelt, AGAIN.
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Go for altis pls.sylphy is uglyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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altis and sylphy, both not so much the same. But if you want a "ban chian kuih," sek tak pau, yau hou pheng" buy lah the sylphy.

If you want to eat nice expensive french decorative food. buy the altis 2.0 loh...

Both really good cars, both are quiet and both run on CVT.

Only thing will separate between the 2
1) resale value.
2) toyota fan or nissan fan
3) power or comfort
4) looks and image. Nissan Uncle, Toyota leng chai
5) and price, one at 107K with kau kau discount, the other 1 sen pun tak boleh discount. mau kah tak mau...
6) lastly, there is no perfect car, only got the car you like but other people dont like.

There you get it? buy car, very simple buy very complex also.
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Has anyone book the new altis? mind to share with me how much the sales person offer you?

I am asking for 1.8E, the sales person dun wan give me any discount. RM113k firmed wow.
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No discount, i already got my car..
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No discount, i already got my car..
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wow....nice or not? I just wanted to go test drive....estimate by nx week will place order after I go to find our the bank loan.

How is your interest rate?
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Oct 7 2010, 10:37 PM)
altis and sylphy, both not so much the same. But if you want a "ban chian kuih," sek tak pau, yau hou pheng" buy lah the sylphy.

If you want to eat nice expensive french decorative food. buy the altis 2.0 loh...

Both really good cars, both are quiet and both run on CVT.

Only thing will separate between the 2
1) resale value.
2) toyota fan or nissan fan
3) power or comfort
4) looks and image. Nissan Uncle, Toyota leng chai
5) and price, one at 107K with kau kau discount, the other 1 sen pun tak boleh discount. mau kah tak mau...
6) lastly, there is no perfect car, only got the car you like but other people dont like.

There you get it? buy car, very simple buy very complex also.
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In this thread the altis is so well written, but some thread 2008/2009 altis was known as uncle car. but anyway, IMHO, altis white pearl, black, medium silver, silver, with aerokit looks good. I've no regret buying altis too.
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Oct 7 2010, 10:37 PM)
altis and sylphy, both not so much the same. But if you want a "ban chian kuih," sek tak pau, yau hou pheng" buy lah the sylphy.

If you want to eat nice expensive french decorative food. buy the altis 2.0 loh...

Both really good cars, both are quiet and both run on CVT.

Only thing will separate between the 2
1) resale value.
2) toyota fan or nissan fan
3) power or comfort
4) looks and image. Nissan Uncle, Toyota leng chai
5) and price, one at 107K with kau kau discount, the other 1 sen pun tak boleh discount. mau kah tak mau...
6) lastly, there is no perfect car, only got the car you like but other people dont like.

There you get it? buy car, very simple buy very complex also.
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I think both with bodykit, Nissan Sylphy more lengchai. Altis design really uncle liao la...
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the only reason i'll go for altis is because of it's resale value, other than that, sylphy would be a much better choice.
personally feels that sylphy having a better interior design, handling, outlooks is comparable, impul bodykit looks quite sexy, all in all i feel it having better quality.


Added on October 8, 2010, 11:48 amnot understand why people will go for overprice altis, best in class still go to civic.....personally think altis rank after civic and slyphy.

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No discount, i already got my car..
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hi ralf, mind to share what spec and color you chose? you should be the first 50 new altis driver OTR.

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hi ralf, mind to share what spec have you chose? you should be the first 50 new altis driver OTR.
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u planning to get one also?
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Oct 7 2010, 10:37 PM)
altis and sylphy, both not so much the same. But if you want a "ban chian kuih," sek tak pau, yau hou pheng" buy lah the sylphy.

If you want to eat nice expensive french decorative food. buy the altis 2.0 loh...

Both really good cars, both are quiet and both run on CVT.

Only thing will separate between the 2
1) resale value.
2) toyota fan or nissan fan
3) power or comfort
4) looks and image. Nissan Uncle, Toyota leng chai
5) and price, one at 107K with kau kau discount, the other 1 sen pun tak boleh discount. mau kah tak mau...
6) lastly, there is no perfect car, only got the car you like but other people dont like.

There you get it? buy car, very simple buy very complex also.
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Dont forget to include another big factor. The standard of after sales service. Nissan does not have Toyota's standards here for sure.
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I refrained from getting Sylphy (even though I like it a lot) because I can't imagine my Sylphy being fed NASA mineral oil in some authorized centre. And they can't even have a confirmed collective answer from each different SC regarding the fluid for X-tronic.

Now Altis has CVT offering (well I personally like CVT)... it give me less reasons/points to choose Sylphy.


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Dont forget to include another big factor. The standard of after sales service. Nissan does not have Toyota's standards here for sure.
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err... not as bad as T? tongue.gif

Personally, i don't feel Nissan is bad at all... I am not sure how Toyota is, but am perfectly alright with Nissan's after sales service (imagine the sales man coming to your house to pick up your cheque for installments!)...
Service centers are alright too... nothing fantastic and nothing to complaint about too... smile.gif
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After sales service is up the to salesman wink.gif.
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QUOTE(mavericksam @ Oct 8 2010, 02:14 PM)
err... not as bad as T?  tongue.gif

Personally, i don't feel Nissan is bad at all... I am not sure how Toyota is, but am perfectly alright with Nissan's after sales service (imagine the sales man coming to your house to pick up your cheque for installments!)...
Service centers are alright too... nothing fantastic and nothing to complaint about too... smile.gif
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Will Nissan SC stay open for you till 11pm just to allow u to collect your car for an important meeting the next day?
Does Nissan provide u with a replacement car should you car require prolonged inspections to identify a problem?
Does Nissan allow u to drop off your car the night before for service the next day and then deliver your car to u after completion(within a certain range)?
Does Nissan replace certain non critical items for u for free (e.g wipers) if they've kept u waiting too long or inconvenienced you in any way?
Does Nissan give u a car & engine wash plus clean your windscreens with chemical plus silicon all your power windows for smooth operation for FREE?

These are some of my experiences not with just 1 or 2 centres but a number of them in different states for various reasons. Plus my car is already 7.5 yrs old and its only a low range Vios 1.5E.

If Nissan provides you will all these 'extra' services then yes Nissan is at par with Toyota. If not well, they have to improve for sure.

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Will Nissan SC stay open for you till 11pm just to allow u to collect your car for an important meeting the next day?
Does Nissan provide u with a replacement car should you car require prolonged inspections to identify a problem?
Does Nissan allow u to drop off your car the night before for service the next day and then deliver your car to u after completion(within a certain range)?
Does Nissan replace certain non critical items for u for free (e.g wipers) if they've kept u waiting too long or inconvenienced you in any way?
Does Nissan give u a car & engine wash plus clean your windscreens with chemical plus silicon all your power windows for smooth operation for FREE?

These are some of my experiences not with just 1 or 2 centres but a number of them in different states for various reasons. Plus my car is already 7.5 yrs old and its only a low range Vios 1.5E.

If Nissan provides you will all these 'extra' services then yes Nissan is at par with Toyota. If not well, they have to improve for sure.

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you made your claim based on just these 4 extra services..oh wai..
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you made your claim based on just these 4 extra services..oh wai..
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Nope. I asked 4 questions in case u didnt notice. Anyway, these are 'claims' which differentiate but its highly dependent on human nature thus unverified except by the parties involved. Take it at face value if u wish.
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QUOTE(tammy @ Oct 8 2010, 08:54 AM)
wow....nice or not? I just wanted to go test drive....estimate by nx week will place order after I go to find our the bank loan.

How is your interest rate?
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I got 3% flat rate.. nod.gif

Nice.. notworthy.gif Power delivery is good, the car is fitted with MichelinMXV8 rubber(latest is PrimaryLC).
Noise insulation is good but can't beat Camry or Teana..

Oh ya..this is an offer you can't refuse, i pick Altis but not Civc..
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I got 3% flat rate.. nod.gif

Nice.. notworthy.gif Power delivery is good, the car is fitted with MichelinMXV8 rubber(latest is PrimaryLC).
Noise insulation is good but can't beat Camry or Teana..

Oh ya..this is an offer you can't refuse, i pick Altis but not Civc..
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What model is it?
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QUOTE(kennie @ Oct 8 2010, 11:43 AM)
the only reason i'll go for altis is because of it's resale value, other than that, sylphy would be a much better choice.
personally feels that sylphy having a better interior design, handling, outlooks is comparable, impul bodykit looks quite sexy, all in all i feel it having better quality.


Added on October 8, 2010, 11:48 amnot understand why people will go for overprice altis, best in class still go to civic.....personally think altis rank after civic and slyphy.
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Persona preference..just my 2 cents. Buy whatever you like, get whatever you want..that's it. smile.gif


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hi ralf, mind to share what spec and color you chose? you should be the first 50 new altis driver OTR.
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I pick 1.8E..pearl white colour, additional rm800.

I think so..because mine is the first batch, stock ready at stockyard during launch time... Second batch already at showroom garage days ago.


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1.8 E Spec. I saw fleet of 1.8E, 4 out of 5 at stockyard...2.0 is hardly seen.



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Dont forget to include another big factor. The standard of after sales service. Nissan does not have Toyota's standards here for sure.
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Will Nissan SC stay open for you till 11pm just to allow u to collect your car for an important meeting the next day?
Does Nissan provide u with a replacement car should you car require prolonged inspections to identify a problem?
Does Nissan allow u to drop off your car the night before for service the next day and then deliver your car to u after completion(within a certain range)?
Does Nissan replace certain non critical items for u for free (e.g wipers) if they've kept u waiting too long or inconvenienced you in any way?
Does Nissan give u a car & engine wash plus clean your windscreens with chemical plus silicon all your power windows for smooth operation for FREE?

These are some of my experiences not with just 1 or 2 centres but a number of them in different states for various reasons. Plus my car is already 7.5 yrs old and its only a low range Vios 1.5E.

If Nissan provides you will all these 'extra' services then yes Nissan is at par with Toyota. If not well, they have to improve for sure.

Cheers!
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How do you know nissan after sales service standard is not on par with toyota? or even honda? Any source?

So do all your experiences come from toyota SC only? have you experience the same situation from honda or nissan SC? Of course provided that you have other brand car (and car collection at 11pm for every each one of the car), otherwise you can't said that nissan/honda after sales service is poorer than toyota just because you experience it from toyota only. We are talking about comparison not based on experience from one brand only.



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How do you know nissan after sales service standard is not on par with toyota? or even honda? Any source?

So do all your experiences come from toyota SC only? have you experience the same situation from honda or nissan SC? Of course provided that you have other brand car (and car collection at 11pm for every each one of the car), otherwise you can't said that nissan/honda after sales service is poorer than toyota just because you experience it from toyota only. We are talking about comparison not based on experience from one brand only.
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If you know me well enuf, u would have known that there are a number of makes within my family (but no Nissan). Anyway, i asked 5 questions which reflect my experience with a number of Toyota SC. And i also said that should you experience the same with Nissan then you would be at par. So if you say im wrong in my assessment, kindly tell me in which way does Nissan sidestep Toyota? I would like to know and correct my wrong assumptions if so.
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Dont forget to include another big factor. The standard of after sales service. Nissan does not have Toyota's standards here for sure.
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Nope. I asked 4 questions in case u didnt notice. Anyway, these are 'claims' which differentiate but its highly dependent on human nature thus unverified except by the parties involved. Take it at face value if u wish.
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If you know me well enuf, u would have known that there are a number of makes within my family (but no Nissan). Anyway, i asked 5 questions which reflect my experience with a number of Toyota SC. And i also said that should you experience the same with Nissan then you would be at par. So if you say im wrong in my assessment, kindly tell me in which way does Nissan sidestep Toyota? I would like to know and correct my wrong assumptions if so.
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Huh? rclxub.gif

I dont see your point. Yes i said that and yes i stand by my assumptions. So if im wrong kindly point it out to me?
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My point is, first you make a strongly worded claim..then you start asking questions..and finally you said, they are just your assumption?

ps: let's get back to the topic..has the TS make any decision yet?

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If you know me well enuf, u would have known that there are a number of makes within my family (but no Nissan). Anyway, i asked 5 questions which reflect my experience with a number of Toyota SC. And i also said that should you experience the same with Nissan then you would be at par. So if you say im wrong in my assessment, kindly tell me in which way does Nissan sidestep Toyota? I would like to know and correct my wrong assumptions if so.
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Please refer below for the experience from nissan

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Will Nissan SC stay open for you till 11pm just to allow u to collect your car for an important meeting the next day?
Does Nissan provide u with a replacement car should you car require prolonged inspections to identify a problem?
Does Nissan allow u to drop off your car the night before for service the next day and then deliver your car to u after completion(within a certain range)?
Does Nissan replace certain non critical items for u for free (e.g wipers) if they've kept u waiting too long or inconvenienced you in any way?[
Does Nissan give u a car & engine wash plus clean your windscreens with chemical plus silicon all your power windows for smooth operation for FREE?


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- Nissan offered to drive the car to my house instead of me going to their shop to collect myself.
- They even offer me a temporary car while waiting for the arrival of the new car.
- Kept me waited for long hour? They already told me how long it is going to take to service my car so once i agreed I have no rights to make noise right? If
they can't deliver on time they their KPI sure will drop thus lead to poor service.
- Never experience this before so no comment BUT I DO NOT DARE to leave my car overnight at SC provided that my car still can move.
- Nissan do provide free car wash and vacuum. Not very sure any other chemical used coz I just lazy to stand there and watch they wash my car. Their SC even provide FREE astro, FREE coffee, FREE wifi and FREE ice-cream as well!! rclxms.gif

On top of that, they also offer to help me renew road tax/insurance. After a month usage, the sales person and a customer service rep gave me a call to ask whether there is any problem with my car or not. They even conducted phone survey on the sales service and after sales services that they provided me.

These are my experience while I was looking to buy car that time:

Toyota sales branch : Sales person quite reluctant to serve me, even I test drive the car, he was like controlling me which way to go. I was like WTF, I am test driving the car so which way I want to go is my choice (Of course I won't go into parit and do those drifting la)

Honda sales branch : Keep condemning other car brand. In sales line there is a taboo where do not ever condemn other product and this is what actually what the salesperson did and for me is not a professional way in sales.

Nissan sales branch : Very friendly salesperson, the salesperson even point out the weakness and strength of each brand. Including the weakness in the nissan car itself!! Quite a honest salesperson.


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Please refer below for the experience from nissan
- Nissan offered to drive the car to my house instead of me going to their shop to collect myself.
- They even offer me a temporary car while waiting for the arrival of the new car.
- Kept me waited for long hour? They already told me how long it is going to take to service my car so once i agreed I have no rights to make noise right? If
  they can't deliver on time they their KPI sure will drop thus lead to poor service.
- Never experience this before so no comment BUT I DO NOT DARE to leave my car overnight at SC provided that my car still can move.
- Nissan do provide free car wash and vacuum. Not very sure any other chemical used coz I just lazy to stand there and watch they wash my car. Their SC even provide FREE astro, FREE coffee, FREE wifi and FREE ice-cream as well!!  rclxms.gif

On top of that, they also offer to help me renew road tax/insurance. After a month usage, the sales person and a customer service rep gave me a call to ask whether there is any problem with my car or not. They even conducted phone survey on the sales service and after sales services that they provided me.

These are my experience while I was looking to buy car that time:

Toyota sales branch : Sales person quite reluctant to serve me, even I test drive the car, he was like controlling me which way to go. I was like WTF, I am test driving the car so which way I want to go is my choice (Of course I won't go into parit and do those drifting la)

Honda sales branch : Keep condemning other car brand. In sales line there is a taboo where do not ever condemn other product and this is what actually what the salesperson did and for me is not a professional way in sales.

Nissan sales branch : Very friendly salesperson, the salesperson even point out the weakness and strength of each brand. Including the weakness in the nissan car itself!! Quite a honest salesperson.
You just did what I am thinking to do  biggrin.gif
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Your experiences are all based on new car purchase and sales related. Im talking about AFTER SALES SERVICE & MAINTENENCE. My experiences are current based on the past 7.5 yrs with many of those i mentioned happening in the last year as well.

When i talked about waiting time, i wasnt refering to normal service waiting time which can be predicted. Please read carefully. I said 'to identify a problem' which means not something that minor but maybe something that requires you wait and definitely not something that happens often. IN short, nothing to do with KPI's or anything to that effect.

Toyota encourages u to take the Early Bird service because thats how well secured their premises are. Nissan doesnt offer it because they dont wanna take the risk and they dont want to pay the extra premium in keeping your car secure at night. Toyota ensures your safety and its not on the basis of 'park at your own risk'.

Toyota SC and i think even Honda comes with all the perks of a properly maintained SC which is why i didnt bring up that point since i already knew. The points i brought up were points of difference not similarities.

U dont need to stand and watch whether your car is washed silicon or otherwise. The oil residue can be noticed and your windscreen is really clear. U wont get this with a normal wash no matter how well u scrub it.

Your comment on car being delivered to your house is again for the sale itself. Im refering to normal servicing for the nest 5-7 years.

So besides your comments on the sales part of the Nissan & Toyota experience, you have not provided much info for the after sales service and maintenence part which we were discussing in the first place.

In short, despite your lengthy explanation, i still dont see how Nissan after sales service & maintenence is better than Toyota hence my comment in the first place that Nissan is still not at par with Toyota.

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Oct 8 2010, 04:29 PM)
My point is, first you make a strongly worded claim..then you start asking questions..and finally you said, they are just your assumption?

ps: let's get back to the topic..has the TS make any decision yet?
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I know the facts as ive known it. The questions were raised to 'guide' the person concerned regarding what i mean about Toyota's service. It wasnt questions directed at myself. When i make assumptions, its rarely blind. I do alot of reading and whenever i visit service centres (of various makes) i make it a point to walk around and ask and learn. Ive done that with all the Sc's ive gone to. U should as well. Ull learn alot. smile.gif

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 8 2010, 05:15 PM)
I know the facts as ive known it. The questions were raised to 'guide' the person concerned regarding what i mean about Toyota's service. It wasnt questions directed at myself. When i make assumptions, its rarely blind. I do alot of reading and whenever i visit service centres (of various makes) i make it a point to walk around and ask and learn. Ive done that with all the Sc's ive gone to. U should as well. Ull learn alotsmile.gif

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Initial I was interested to learn more about your claim on why Nissan does not have Toyota's standards here for sure, but you only harp on Toyota's service.
Then you asked 5 questions and when someone gave his point of view, you merely brushed it aside saying it is not after sales services and maintenance. You probably need to read again. Well, typical fan that always seem to know more than everyone. Case close then smile.gif

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Will Nissan SC stay open for you till 11pm just to allow u to collect your car for an important meeting the next day?
Does Nissan provide u with a replacement car should you car require prolonged inspections to identify a problem?
Does Nissan allow u to drop off your car the night before for service the next day and then deliver your car to u after completion(within a certain range)?
Does Nissan replace certain non critical items for u for free (e.g wipers) if they've kept u waiting too long or inconvenienced you in any way?
Does Nissan give u a car & engine wash plus clean your windscreens with chemical plus silicon all your power windows for smooth operation for FREE?

These are some of my experiences not with just 1 or 2 centres but a number of them in different states for various reasons. Plus my car is already 7.5 yrs old and its only a low range Vios 1.5E.

If Nissan provides you will all these 'extra' services then yes Nissan is at par with Toyota. If not well, they have to improve for sure.

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1) Will Nissan SC stay open for you till 11pm just to allow u to collect your car for an important meeting the next day?
2) Does Nissan provide u with a replacement car should you car require prolonged inspections to identify a problem?
3) Does Nissan allow u to drop off your car the night before for service the next day and then deliver your car to u after completion(within a certain range)?
4) Does Nissan replace certain non critical items for u for free (e.g wipers) if they've kept u waiting too long or inconvenienced you in any way?
5) Does Nissan give u a car & engine wash plus clean your windscreens with chemical plus silicon all your power windows for smooth operation for FREE?
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before answering your questions, like to clarify that i am driving a T.Vios 1.5G which already 7yrs old, that was serviced by Toyota SC from the day it had 'born'. Below is my exp on Toyota SC:
1) Never try before, but the SA did offer to collect the car
2) The SC said NO replacement car given though my car was left in the SC for repairing >3 days
3) same as 1)
4) only wiper rubber (not the wiper unit). it is part of the deal, as long as the original wiper unit still there, NOT because of other conditions
5) the services were CHARGED inside your bill, not free.

i wondered, why someone said Toyota has better technology then Nissan...for Sylphy case, CVT was introduced to Malaysia since 2 years ago but Altis only recently whistling.gif
In terms of internal designs & buttons, there were not much different between Vios-> Altis-> Camry, which is pretty bored.

I am currently having difficulty in choosing Sylphy or Altis too...IMO, the looks of the Altis sure win most of the peoples heart, but beside that, i would said Sylphy win all...Between, Altis is not a 'youth car' also, as how many of you observing that the Altis driver is a youngster? tongue.gif
So, if looking for stylish, i rather go for M3, Civic, and not Altis. Sylphy & Altis has >RM20k differences on the car price (2.0 model). So, is up to individual preferences on their choice. For myself, i would prefer Sylphy due to the 6 stars safety rating, and the $$ value of the car.

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Sylphy feels more relax & comfortable (really I like the Matsumi fabric). But no VSC sad.gif . I just don't like the steering (same with Latio - looks clumsy).

2.0 or not, if the 1.8 is giving the same kind of feeling (I haven't test drove this new Altis, and review says 2.0 feels like 1.8), IMO, it is Sylphy vs 1.8G/1.8E.

Toyota SC never had the option of replacement car for me - they tell me I have to put the car overnight for checkup & you are on your own. Even I have requested for one but they say no.
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probqbly you are not someone as important as cybermaster, probably they see you as a probably not loyal toyota fan, unlike cybermaster he respects toyota, so to get that kind of respect from toyota we must learn the secret of how to be a toyota hardcore fan to get a full spuer service from them, there must have been some word mr cyberman has said to get that kind of respect from toyota
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TS u should go for altis pls.NO for nissan!
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Seriously, other than price and space, there's nothing much about Sylphy compared to Altis. Test drove before and what a boring car. Nissan really should step up in the games, I find Korean cars are better than Nissan now.
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by the way you guys know how tan chong handle the market right?

In between the 3 company Tan chong, honda, and UMW, Tan chong is the most uncle china man thinking of all them 3. Honda is young mind and insist all honda car be more powerful within the 3 brands. Last of all UMW where cost cutting is a priority and facelift is a chance to increase the car price and make more profit. Between the 3 i think UMW is the most profitable one.

Why ? UMW only offer technologies only after when the world has stop using it. And we are all stuck with that.

Tan Chong only bring in models that was about 100 million years ago in the market. if you look at the models tan chong takes from Nissan, X trail big example. I believe that x trail is like dont know what age design. Also the latio and sylphy. In the last so many years singapore is already using those models. Only now lately we get models like these. The so called new Teana, wah so cool ah... singapore many years ago got liau lah not so new anymore. not forgetting, tan chong loves to unclised their design.
Nissan in the world makes brilliant cars, For example the GTR and Fairlady Z series. And plenty of wonderful engines where toyota was once behind them, In the days of the cefiro, nissan was like. Wah! sei fei lo. but people respected that car. After that it all went into the grave. toyota resurrected and beat the shit out of nissan with its Vios, Altis and Camry.


Honda is at least kind enough to give a new i vtec engine and 5 speed to all its current models. in the year 2010. but this dont come cheap. So they never conquer the market. But honda will always be honda. Expensive, expensive, expensive. Luxury, and expensive again. Power and power again. Nothing else. nissan also not very cheap as well.



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by the way you guys know how tan chong handle the market right?

In between the 3 company Tan chong, honda, and UMW, Tan chong is the most uncle china man thinking of all them 3. Honda is young mind and insist all honda car be more powerful within the 3 brands. Last of all UMW where cost cutting is a priority and facelift is a chance to increase the car price and make more profit. Between the 3 i think UMW is the most profitable one.

Why ? UMW only offer technologies only after when the world has stop using it. And we are all stuck with that.

Tan Chong only bring in models that was about 100 million years ago in the market. if you look at the models tan chong takes from Nissan, X trail big example. I believe that x trail is like dont know what age design. Also the latio and sylphy. In the last so many years singapore is already using those models. Only now lately we get models like these. The so called new Teana, wah so cool ah... singapore many years ago got liau lah not so new anymore. not forgetting, tan chong loves to unclised their design.
Nissan in the world makes brilliant cars,  For example the GTR and Fairlady Z series. And plenty of wonderful engines where toyota was once behind them, In the days of the cefiro, nissan was like. Wah! sei fei lo. but people respected that car. After that it all went into the grave. toyota resurrected and beat the shit out of nissan with its Vios, Altis and Camry.
Honda is at least kind enough to give a new i vtec engine and 5 speed to all its current models. in the year 2010. but this dont come cheap. So they never conquer the market. But honda will always be honda. Expensive, expensive, expensive. Luxury, and expensive again. Power and power again. Nothing else. nissan also not very cheap as well.
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are you getting a reasonable price from any of those 3 ?
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To be honest, 2.0 slyphy and 1.8E/G Altis is about the same feeling. I mean the power and acceleration.

Thus, I am still dilemma-ing which to place my order.

Hey dude, for town use, which is more fuel consumption? since the engine is nothing special for me ( I am comparing slyphy with 1.8 altis)
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QUOTE(tammy @ Oct 9 2010, 02:30 PM)
To be honest, 2.0 slyphy and 1.8E/G Altis is about the same feeling. I mean the power and acceleration.

Thus, I am still dilemma-ing which to place my order.

Hey dude, for town use, which is more fuel consumption? since the engine is nothing special for me ( I am comparing slyphy with 1.8 altis)
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does the 1.8 altis comes with cvt? if yes, then probably no difference..but if no..then sylphy fc is better
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does the 1.8 altis comes with cvt? if yes, then probably no difference..but if no..then sylphy fc is better
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What's the fc of Sylphy? Maybe I can give some comment as I am driving a non cvt Altis 1.8G for a year now.
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What's the fc of Sylphy? Maybe I can give some comment as I am driving a non cvt Altis 1.8G for a year now.
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been getting 700-750km per full tank consistently
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Power of CVT.
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Many feedback its just 9.5 - 10 km/l... how can 700-750km per full tank in city drive
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QUOTE(Candino @ Oct 9 2010, 10:50 PM)
Many feedback its just 9.5 - 10 km/l... how can 700-750km per full tank in city drive
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oh, for city drive..i still manage 600-650km, that's about 11.5-12.5 km/l..maybe coz my route less traffic jam rclxms.gif
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oh, for city drive..i still manage 600-650km, that's about 11.5-12.5 km/l..maybe coz my route less traffic jam  rclxms.gif
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For Altis 1.8, city drive, fc is 12.5km/l. Not bad for a 2.0 Sylphy.
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finally, tested the new Altis 2.0 yesterday!
For those who owned a T.Vios and look for upgrade, the new Altis might not give any surprise to you, as the 'power' you feel when stepping on the oil paddle is almost 90% same as the T.Vios. Instead, you can treat it as 'T.Vios' too, just the only different you might noted is the additional leg room you have. According to the SA, the Altis CVT different from Sylphy in terms of - when you increase the stepping force, the Altis CVT will somehow 'change' to lower gear to push the car forward, and that's why it give you the feel of T.Vios.

As for Sylphy, tested last week, and the car just give you a linear pickup feels. However both pickup performance showed by Sylphy & Altis are almost the same. Try it yourself and you will note it.

In the end, my choice will go to Sylphy of course! Though Altis look more sporty, but Sylphy looks more elegance! Instead, the rear site of the car almost similar to the vios, which I like very much! i believe if Sylphy bearing 'Toyota' brand, it will have higher sales then Altis!

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What is the best discount n goodies given now for Nissan Sylphy and Altis 2.0 ?
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finally, tested the new Altis 2.0 yesterday!
For those who owned a T.Vios and look for upgrade, the new Altis might not give any surprise to you, as the 'power' you feel when stepping on the oil paddle is almost 90% same as the T.Vios. Instead, you can treat it as 'T.Vios' too, just the only different you might noted is the additional leg room you have. According to the SA, the Altis CVT different from Sylphy in terms of - when you increase the stepping force, the Altis CVT will somehow 'change' to lower gear to push the car forward, and that's why it give you the feel of T.Vios.

As for Sylphy, tested last week, and the car just give you a linear pickup feels. However both pickup performance showed by Sylphy & Altis are almost the same. Try it yourself and you will note it.

In the end, my choice will go to Sylphy of course! Though Altis look more sporty, but Sylphy looks more elegance! Instead, the rear site of the car almost similar to the vios, which I like very much! i believe if Sylphy bearing 'Toyota' brand, it will have higher sales then Altis!
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Camry is the upgrade of Altis, and Altis is the upgrade of Vios. No surprise they have similarity in some how. I changed to Altis from Vios too, but if you said 90% of the car is similar to Vios, you are wrong. The car has better handling compared to vios, a significant different feel of comfy, improved cornering & control, obviously a lot more power than a 1.5 Vios. Did you really test and push the test drive to the max like how you hammered your vios?

Design wise, of course different people different taste. As long as you like it, but sylphy more elegant? Totally not, to me. My next door just changed his sylphy to altis, not sure if he influenced by me, but he had not been happy with his car so he changed.
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QUOTE(cloudwin @ Oct 10 2010, 01:27 AM)
finally, tested the new Altis 2.0 yesterday!
For those who owned a T.Vios and look for upgrade, the new Altis might not give any surprise to you, as the 'power' you feel when stepping on the oil paddle is almost 90% same as the T.Vios. Instead, you can treat it as 'T.Vios' too, just the only different you might noted is the additional leg room you have. According to the SA, the Altis CVT different from Sylphy in terms of - when you increase the stepping force, the Altis CVT will somehow 'change' to lower gear to push the car forward, and that's why it give you the feel of T.Vios.

As for Sylphy, tested last week, and the car just give you a linear pickup feels. However both pickup performance showed by Sylphy & Altis are almost the same. Try it yourself and you will note it.

In the end, my choice will go to Sylphy of course! Though Altis look more sporty, but Sylphy looks more elegance! Instead, the rear site of the car almost similar to the vios, which I like very much! i believe if Sylphy bearing 'Toyota' brand, it will have higher sales then Altis!
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ya...Slyphy. actually not uncle-ish by adding on the body kit (look elegance, especially in white colour). my family car (brownish) is just look nice with it. FC good too, good sound insulation (speeding at 150km/h without increase the volume and stable), low interest rate...but there are some part missing compared to altis. but still, slyphy still a nice car with that price.

FYI, im owning a vios sweat.gif (nothing to do with this topic)
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QUOTE(lovehewit @ Oct 10 2010, 12:06 PM)
Camry is the upgrade of Altis, and Altis is the upgrade of Vios. No surprise they have similarity in some how. I changed to Altis from Vios too, but if you said 90% of the car is similar to Vios, you are wrong. The car has better handling compared to vios, a significant different feel of comfy, improved cornering & control, obviously a lot more power than a 1.5 Vios. Did you really test and push the test drive to the max like how you hammered your vios?

Design wise, of course different people different taste. As long as you like it, but sylphy more elegant? Totally not, to me. My next door just changed his sylphy to altis, not sure if he influenced by me, but he had not been happy with his car so he changed.
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Good to hear that Altis is suit to you...
In terms of power, do you think Vios 1.5 is comparable to Altis 1.8? Sure is not, and so, i am not comparing the maximal limit that Altis and Vios have, but just referring to those daily drive feels.
Anyhow, car selection is very personal, and I am not any brand supporter. So, if you think whatever car is suit to you, then that's great! For my case, my wife (which like Toyota brand very much sweat.gif ) told me ~ if you want to change my current vios, go for Camry, and forget about Altis...better stay on Vios if the option is only for Altis...that is what her comment, and for me, i am looking forward on car that value for $$ thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(cloudwin @ Oct 10 2010, 12:49 PM)
Good to hear that Altis is suit to you...
In terms of power, do you think Vios 1.5 is comparable to Altis 1.8? Sure is not, and so, i am not comparing the maximal limit that Altis and Vios have, but just referring to those daily drive feels.
Anyhow, car selection is very personal, and I am not any brand supporter. So, if you think whatever car is suit to you, then that's great! For my case, my wife (which like Toyota brand very much sweat.gif ) told me ~ if you want to change my current vios, go for Camry, and forget about Altis...better stay on Vios if the option is only for Altis...that is what her comment, and for me, i am looking forward on car that value for $$  thumbup.gif
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Every model stands in the market because of the demand of certain segment of purchaser. About your wife advice, I'm sure many of us had the same too. Why switch to something in between and why not all the way? Well, it comes down to many factors to consider, first, if you want to go for camry, go for 2.4, 2.0 won't give you the power & torque you desired, and that's a top up of 50k in different. 2nd, how much space do you really need for on your daily drive? Why carry a big car everyday while most of the time only you who sits in the car, wasting money on unnecessary petrol and maintenance? 3rd, status, drive a bigger car shows richer you are. 4th driving behavior, in comparison a 2.0 & 2.4, smaller car in 2.0 will give better boost on the driving experience such as pick up and so on, that's why Civic2.0 out sold Accord by miles.

I'm not a brand supporter either, I am just pointing out Vios isn't 90% the same as Altis. If you are really looking for value for money alone, not sylphy, it should be Forte.
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if u unker, buy altis
if u unker, buy sylphy
if u unker, buy camry
if u unker, buy accord

for that kind of money, id rather go n buy an immaculate 2nd hand e46 3-series bimmer and use the balance for maintenance, or maybe soup it up abit. better performance, better handling, better image, and its a better car to boot.

or just get a 4-door used skyline gtt.

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lol, this topic is about Sylphy & Altis ok. Outside the box, AUDI or PASSAT!
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QUOTE(cloudwin @ Oct 10 2010, 12:49 PM)
Good to hear that Altis is suit to you...
In terms of power, do you think Vios 1.5 is comparable to Altis 1.8? Sure is not, and so, i am not comparing the maximal limit that Altis and Vios have, but just referring to those daily drive feels.
Anyhow, car selection is very personal, and I am not any brand supporter. So, if you think whatever car is suit to you, then that's great! For my case, my wife (which like Toyota brand very much sweat.gif ) told me ~ if you want to change my current vios, go for Camry, and forget about Altis...better stay on Vios if the option is only for Altis...that is what her comment, and for me, i am looking forward on car that value for $$  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ilnerodiablo @ Oct 10 2010, 01:09 PM)
if u unker, buy altis
if u unker, buy sylphy
if u unker, buy camry
if u unker, buy accord

for that kind of money, id rather go n buy an immaculate 2nd hand e46 3-series bimmer and use the balance for maintenance, or maybe soup it up abit. better performance, better handling, better image, and its a better car to boot.

or just get a 4-door used skyline gtt.
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so u r assuming they going to pay 100k+ at one shot? ever heard of installment? how much installment for 2nd hand bimmer that u said and the maintenence can installment or not?
plus the satisfaction of owning new car is something a used car can never give..
btw, im young and i prefer accord/camry/cefiro/mazda6 and the likes.. these car was made to be comfortable, big, elegence, and yet powerful then most car on the road..
the benefit of owning luxury car regardless what other think of the driver whistling.gif
buy car according to ur preference.. just because toyota supporter bought a toyota and said this good that good but if u r not comfortable with the car, find other alternatives.. even if it means getting "cold" car
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QUOTE(ilnerodiablo @ Oct 10 2010, 01:09 PM)
if u unker, buy altis
if u unker, buy sylphy
if u unker, buy camry
if u unker, buy accord

for that kind of money, id rather go n buy an immaculate 2nd hand e46 3-series bimmer and use the balance for maintenance, or maybe soup it up abit. better performance, better handling, better image, and its a better car to boot.

or just get a 4-door used skyline gtt.
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Correction: If you are unker, don't mod your car smile.gif

Any of the above cars (except GTT) will look unker if you allow it to (stock), but a simple bodykit and hot wheels makeover and ta-daa, non-unker anymore heh heh.

Actually the Sylphy with bodykit (certain colors) and bigger rims does look quite sporty, especially the back view. Only the front, if never mod, looks like a sedan version of Grand Livina lol.
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What is the best deal for new Sylphy and Altis 2.0 given now ?? i mean discount and goodies
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does the 1.8 altis comes with cvt? if yes, then probably no difference..but if no..then sylphy fc is better
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Gear systems is only 1 factor in determining fuel consumption. Dont forget that the latest Altis is a DUAL VVTI. Toyota have always been known for the well designed engines with economy in mind. Honda have always been associated with powerful engines with the iDSI being the exception with its superior fuel economy.
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What is the best deal for new Sylphy and Altis 2.0 given now ?? i mean discount and goodies
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Toyota never gives any discounts for newly launched models. But the Sylphy is having a good promo. U can get about 7K discount or overtrade if ure trading in your existing car.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Oct 9 2010, 04:32 PM)
been getting 700-750km per full tank consistently
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That is not the way to describe fuel consumption. U didnt even state if its for 100% city or 100% highway. Always state in km/L.

Sylphy full tank is 52L. So assuming its a 100% highway drive, your consumption would be about 13.4-14.4km/L which is normal for a highway drive. The Kia Forte 2.0 with only a 4 speed gearbox gets marginally better figures. The Toyota Vios consumes about 15km/L for a highway drive despite being a lower cc car.
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QUOTE(cloudwin @ Oct 10 2010, 01:27 AM)
finally, tested the new Altis 2.0 yesterday!
For those who owned a T.Vios and look for upgrade, the new Altis might not give any surprise to you, as the 'power' you feel when stepping on the oil paddle is almost 90% same as the T.Vios. Instead, you can treat it as 'T.Vios' too, just the only different you might noted is the additional leg room you have. According to the SA, the Altis CVT different from Sylphy in terms of - when you increase the stepping force, the Altis CVT will somehow 'change' to lower gear to push the car forward, and that's why it give you the feel of T.Vios.

As for Sylphy, tested last week, and the car just give you a linear pickup feels. However both pickup performance showed by Sylphy & Altis are almost the same. Try it yourself and you will note it.

In the end, my choice will go to Sylphy of course! Though Altis look more sporty, but Sylphy looks more elegance! Instead, the rear site of the car almost similar to the vios, which I like very much! i believe if Sylphy bearing 'Toyota' brand, it will have higher sales then Altis!
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If the power is the same as the Vios, i would be very happy as the Vios (older model) had among the best 0-100kmph acceleration stats in the 1.5-1.8L category: 9.8 seconds.

And yes the Sylphy is a reasonable car but be prepared for a much lower resale value later on. What was your purchase price anyway?
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If you are really looking for value for money alone, not sylphy, it should be Forte.
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Yes if i had to leave Toyota for another brand, i would rather go for the 2.0L Forte which costs only RM93,800 and has much more features and specs compared to the 114K Sylphy which looks very outdated (plus with rear dum brakes....geez!). After 5 yrs the % of drop in resale value would be more for the Sylphy i think.

There is no elegence in the Sylphy for sure. The Altis surely looks more classy (althoughi dont quite like the design too).

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Oct 8 2010, 05:35 PM)
Initial I was interested to learn more about your claim on why Nissan does not have Toyota's standards here for sure, but you only harp on Toyota's service.
Then you asked 5 questions and when someone gave his point of view, you merely brushed it aside saying it is not after sales services and maintenance. You probably need to read again. Well, typical fan that always seem to know more than everyone. Case close then smile.gif
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My post was about AFTER SALES SERVICE & MAINTENENCE. Not the sale itself. Go read the posts carefully. Big difference.
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Forte spare parts is very expensive .. got few friends drive it as complain a lot
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Correction: If you are unker, don't mod your car smile.gif

Any of the above cars (except GTT) will look unker if you allow it to (stock), but a simple bodykit and hot wheels makeover and ta-daa, non-unker anymore heh heh.

Actually the Sylphy with bodykit (certain colors) and bigger rims does look quite sporty, especially the back view. Only the front, if never mod, looks like a sedan version of Grand Livina lol.
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agree, the front with no mod looks like livina. sweat.gif anyway, the cibeimasta is back
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Forte spare parts is very expensive .. got few friends drive it as complain a lot
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agree, the front with no mod looks like livina.  sweat.gif anyway, the cibeimasta is back
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I never went away in the first place. Anyway, associating nicks with foul words doesnt speak too highly of your maturity levels.
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cybermaster, u toyota salesman? or u just owns a toyota n trying to feel good about ur purchase by saying toyota conquers all in all segment n price bracket?
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If the power is the same as the Vios, i would be very happy as the Vios (older model) had among the best 0-100kmph acceleration stats in the 1.5-1.8L category: 9.8 seconds.

And yes the Sylphy is a reasonable car but be prepared for a much lower resale value later on. What was your purchase price anyway?
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Sylphy now you can get it at RM109k, or lower for comfort package. Anyway, i still no decide which car to take for (though deposit had been placed on Sylphy but it is 100% refundable). I have my own preferences for getting a new 2.0 car. At this moment, Sylphy suit me the most. So, for those who said Sylphy is sucks! OK, you can leave it alone....there was no harm to me, as i am not owner of the company. rclxm9.gif But, for sure i still looking around on those cars that claim to be great, e.g. M3 2.0, 407, ...

For re-sale value, i believe value for car >5 years will almost be the same (maybe only RM1-2k differences according to car demand & brand). So, for those who plan to change their car within next 1-3 years, you might want to look after the brand, but I am not part of this category blush.gif

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cybermaster, u toyota salesman? or u just owns a toyota n trying to feel good about ur purchase by saying toyota conquers all in all segment n price bracket?
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Nope. Im not into any sales. Im a very satisfied Toyota owner and i dont need to try and feel good. I am happy with my Toyota for the past 7.5 yrs. And no it doesnt conquer all. It has its drawbacks too just like any other car. Read all my posts and see the whole picture.
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Sylphy now you can get it at RM109k, or lower for comfort package. Anyway, i still no decide which car to take for (though deposit had been placed on Sylphy but it is 100% refundable). I have my own preferences for getting a new 2.0 car. At this moment, Sylphy suit me the most. So, for those who said Sylphy is sucks! OK, you can leave it alone....there was no harm to me, as i am not owner of the company. rclxm9.gif  But, for sure i still looking around on those cars that claim to be great, e.g. M3 2.0, 407, ...

For re-sale value, i believe value for car >5 years will almost be the same (maybe only RM1-2k differences according to car demand & brand). So, for those who plan to change their car within next 1-3 years, you might want to look after the brand, but I am not part of this category  blush.gif
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1) Right now u can get up to RM7,000 discount for the Sylphy so if ure quoted RM109K then its not the best price for sure. I think u should be able to get the comfort package Sylphy for about RM 107K.

2) I think u have virtually zero knowledge about resale values of cars. Car depreciation percentage for the first 3 yrs will be almost the same regardless of brand (in most cases). But after 5 yrs its a totally different story. So if ure saying your Sylphy's depreciation is gonna be at par with an Altis then ure very wrong. Resale values are determined by demand which are reflected by the original sales and brand power. A 7 yr old Vios 1.5E (low spec) only depreciates 40% which is an excellent figure among the non national cars. My friend just sold his 2003 Hyundai Sonata 2.0L (high spec) for only RM 24K (depreciation 80%) from the original price of RM115K.

Its after the 5 yrs that u will see the big difference between the Toyota & Honda's as compared to the other foreign makes. So if u buy the Sylphy then be prepared to face a bigger loss when u decide to sell after 5 or 7 yrs. Of course, the Sylphy is not a Kia or a Hyundai so it should still have a decent value but dont go hoping its gonna be close to a Toyota.

Nissan doesnt come up with new models as often as Toyota and Honda. Take the Sentra for example. I think that car has been around for the past 10 yrs or more. Nissan does what Toyota and Honda wont do. They wont slash prices of the current models over time just to increase sales. U may get some discounts amounting to about 1-2K (which is marginal) but u wont get the 7K slashes Nissan does. Thats why Toyota and Honda have great holding power when it comes to resale values.

So even though u are getting a better deal now with the discount as compared to the previous owners, Nissan might (and probably will) slash the Sylphy prices further once more models are introduced by their rivals next year. Thats wht they have done with the Sentra.

As long as ure aware of this ull be fine. Just dont go around thinking its not gonna happen and get a rude surprise in 5-7 yrs.

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1) Right now u can get up to RM7,000 discount for the Sylphy so if ure quoted RM109K then its not the best price for sure. I think u should be able to get the comfort package Sylphy for about RM 107K.

2) I think u have virtually zero knowledge about resale values of cars. Car depreciation percentage for the first 3 yrs will be almost the same regardless of brand (in most cases). But after 5 yrs its a totally different story. So if ure saying your Sylphy's depreciation is gonna be at par with an Altis then ure very wrong. Resale values are determined by demand which are reflected by the original sales and brand power. A 7 yr old Vios 1.5E (low spec) only depreciates 40% which is an excellent figure among the non national cars. My friend just sold his 2003 Hyundai Sonata 2.0L (high spec) for only RM 24K (depreciation 80%) from the original price of RM115K.

Its after the 5 yrs that u will see the big difference between the Toyota & Honda's as compared to the other foreign makes. So if u buy the Sylphy then be prepared to face a bigger loss when u decide to sell after 5 or 7 yrs. Of course, the Sylphy is not a Kia or a Hyundai so it should still have a decent value but dont go hoping its gonna be close to a Toyota.

Nissan doesnt come up with new models as often as Toyota and Honda. Take the Sentra for example. I think that car has been around for the past 10 yrs or more. Nissan does what Toyota and Honda wont do. They wont slash prices of the current models over time just to increase sales. U may get some discounts amounting to about 1-2K (which is marginal) but u wont get the 7K slashes Nissan does. Thats why Toyota and Honda have great holding power when it comes to resale values.

So even though u are getting a better deal now with the discount as compared to the previous owners, Nissan might (and probably will) slash the Sylphy prices further once more models are introduced by their rivals next year. Thats wht they have done with the Sentra.

As long as ure aware of this ull be fine. Just dont go around thinking its not gonna happen and get a rude surprise in 5-7 yrs.

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Nope. Im not into any sales. Im a very satisfied Toyota owner and i dont need to try and feel good. I am happy with my Toyota for the past 7.5 yrs. And no it doesnt conquer all. It has its drawbacks too just like any other car. Read all my posts and see the whole picture.
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isolated cases about toyota make me afraid of buying toyota. the fiasco about auto-accelerating car in US, its a toyota rite?
n there is a well documented case about a furious avanza's owner in LYN. malas wanna find the threadm, but its somewhere here.
n too many asshats driving vios, which is a bloody overpriced car for what ur getting, imo.
id trust the manufacturer of silvias, skylines, n z-cars moar.
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Well, Nissan is alright. But ETCM... that's different thing altogether.

Same for Toyota, UMWT is a different thing.

Apple to apple compare, UMWT is still better than ETCM, although both are also consider 'not good' relative to what they supposedly to represent.
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My post was about AFTER SALES SERVICE & MAINTENENCE. Not the sale itself. Go read the posts carefully. Big difference.
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He wrote both aspects, go read again. btw, there is no point debating with you. of course, toyota is the best and you are the most knowledgeable, cheers smile.gif
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but proton is worse. but lets not get into that.
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QUOTE(ilnerodiablo @ Oct 11 2010, 02:12 PM)
isolated cases about toyota make me afraid of buying toyota. the fiasco about auto-accelerating car in US, its a toyota rite?
n there is a well documented case about a furious avanza's owner in LYN. malas wanna find the threadm, but its somewhere here.
n too many asshats driving vios, which is a bloody overpriced car for what ur getting, imo.
id trust the manufacturer of silvias, skylines, n z-cars moar.
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U need to read up more for sure. U dont seem to be aware of the latest developments regarding the accelerating Toyota's. Anyway thats for u to find out yerself.

So whats your comment on the recent recall of 350,000 BMW's? BMW also recalled 200,000 vehicles in 2008 for airbag failures. What about Honda's recall of 646,000 units early this year? What about GM's recall of 1.5 mil vehicles in 2009 which included the popular Chevrolet? GM also recalled more than 1 mil vehicles early this year for steering problems which could result in loss of control? What about The recent 140,000 vehicle recall by Hyundai for its latest generation Sonata? Nissan also recalled 540,000 units for brake pedal issues early this year. Mercedes just announced a recall covering 85,000 latest generation C & E Class cars for steering issues.

So now what? All these cars are bad too? Crap? We should boycott all these manufacturers too? U know whats safest for u in this case? Get a bicycle or just stay at home. Im sure the chances of u getting a heart attack at home are far greater than some Toyota auto-accelerating under your control.

Only those who arent in touch with reality will get excited about these recalls. Go read up and find out why these recalls are taking place and why its important that it should continue to take place. By the way, how many times did u see Proton recalling vehicles? Does this mean that Protons are better built than all the makes mentioned above?

Use the net and increase your knowledge. U seem to have a serious lack of it.

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Oct 11 2010, 02:36 PM)
He wrote both aspects, go read again. btw, there is no point debating with you. of course, toyota is the best and you are the most knowledgeable, cheers  smile.gif
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Yes he had 70% of his posts about the sales aspect and 30% on the after sales maintenence. This was supposed to be 100% on the after sales. Ure the one who needs to read more.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 11 2010, 02:38 PM)
Yes he had 70% of his posts about the sales aspect and 30% on the after sales maintenence. This was supposed to be 100% on the after sales. Ure the one who needs to read more.
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i quote your earlier post "Your experiences are all based on new car purchase and sales related"..and now you finally admit the 30% and now you claim it was suppose to be 100%. i like your determination.


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That is not the way to describe fuel consumption. U didnt even state if its for 100% city or 100% highway. Always state in km/L.

Sylphy full tank is 52L. So assuming its a 100% highway drive, your consumption would be about 13.4-14.4km/L which is normal for a highway drive. The Kia Forte 2.0 with only a 4 speed gearbox gets marginally better figures. The Toyota Vios consumes about 15km/L for a highway drive despite being a lower cc car.
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Next time read few more later post before you comment.

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oh, for city drive..i still manage 600-650km, that's about 11.5-12.5 km/l..maybe coz my route less traffic jam  rclxms.gif
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1.5 cc vios gives 15 km/l, 2.0 cc sylphy gives 14 km/l, comparable no?

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 11 2010, 02:37 PM)
U need to read up more for sure. U dont seem to be aware of the latest developments regarding the accelerating Toyota's. Anyway thats for u to find out yerself.

So whats your comment on the recent recall of 350,000 BMW's? BMW also recalled 200,000 vehicles in 2008 for airbag failures. What about Honda's recall of 646,000 units early this year? What about GM's recall of 1.5 mil vehicles in 2009 which included the popular Chevrolet? GM also recalled more than 1 mil vehicles early this year for steering problems which could result in loss of control? What about The recent 140,000 vehicle recall by Hyundai for its latest generation Sonata? Nissan also recalled 540,000 units for brake pedal issues early this year. Mercedes just announced a recall covering 85,000 latest generation C & E Class cars for steering issues.

So now what? All these cars are bad too? Crap? We should boycott all these manufacturers too? U know whats safest for u in this case? Get a bicycle or just stay at home. Im sure the chances of u getting a heart attack at home are far greater than some Toyota auto-accelerating under your control.

Only those who arent in touch with reality will get excited about these recalls. Go read up and find out why these recalls are taking place and why its important that it should continue to take place. By the way, how many times did u see Proton recalling vehicles? Does this mean that Protons are better built than all the makes mentioned above?

Use the net and increase your knowledge. U seem to have a serious lack of it.

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as long as i like the car that im driving, id say im a happy camper.
n thanks for doing the research for us.
not to say toyota is bad as per se, but the ones TCM is offering here is more like dealers special (read:vios TRD edition? nothing special cept a souped up bodykit n some go faster bits only) and... more suited for unkers and family man.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 11 2010, 02:38 PM)
Yes he had 70% of his posts about the sales aspect and 30% on the after sales maintenence. This was supposed to be 100% on the after sales. Ure the one who needs to read more.
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For me, sales service and after sales service is equally important. My car is still new so I am merely providing my own experience with nissan. But so far the SC doesn't give any poor services until I get mad and complaining around yet.

That's why I asked, do you have any other car brand that are same age with your toyota? If yes, then you can judge whether which brand SC is better by comparing. if not then how do you know that toyota is good? You wouldn't know the thing is good if you don't have any other bad thing to compare.
Right?? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(zeus2005 @ Oct 11 2010, 03:03 PM)
For me, sales service and after sales service is equally important. My car is still new so I am merely providing my own experience with nissan. But so far the SC doesn't give any poor services until I get mad and complaining around yet.

That's why I asked, do you have any other brand car that are same age with your toyota? If yes, then you can judge whether which brand SC is better by comparing. if not then how do you know that toyota is good? You wouldn't know the thing is good if you don't have any other bad thing to compare.
Right??  hmm.gif
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I am happy with the toyota sc so far too. I think the Honda sc is good too as I accompanied my friend some times to service his accord. I never had problem with my toyota sc, but my friend did with Honda, one time it was some rattling sound after service, 2nd time it was the alarm issue. But that's it. I would say, both is on par. I've been using the toyota sc for 8 years, and before that I owned a proton, huge different. Best service to date, Merce. But I'm sure that's out of the categories of Toyota, Honda, Nissan or even mazda.

Number of sc is important to many buyers, I totally don't think Nissan would have the number of toyota & honda has. That's also a part of the reputation of the sc too, for the convenient of its buyer.
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QUOTE(zeus2005 @ Oct 11 2010, 03:03 PM)
For me, sales service and after sales service is equally important. My car is still new so I am merely providing my own experience with nissan. But so far the SC doesn't give any poor services until I get mad and complaining around yet.

That's why I asked, do you have any other car brand that are same age with your toyota? If yes, then you can judge whether which brand SC is better by comparing. if not then how do you know that toyota is good? You wouldn't know the thing is good if you don't have any other bad thing to compare.
Right??  hmm.gif
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Why does it need to be the same age to be able to compare service standards? Its something that can be compared anytime.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Oct 11 2010, 02:42 PM)
i quote your earlier post "Your experiences are all based on new car purchase and sales related"..and now you finally admit the 30% and now you claim it was suppose to be 100%. i like your determination.


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Next time read few more later post before you comment.
1.5 cc vios gives 15 km/l, 2.0 cc sylphy gives 14 km/l, comparable no?
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U are totally lost. The 30%/70% comparison was regarding the content of his response. Meaning he spoke more about the sale service itself rather than the after sales service. The 30% is for the after sales service. rclxub.gif Please do read carefully my friend. Ure confusing yourself.

Yes the Vios gives 15km/L. So why do i need to read any further posts later? rclxub.gif

And no its not commendable because its common lay man's knowledge that higher cc cars will consume lesser fuel on highway cruising (im refering to the 1.6-2.0L cars). This is partly due to the fact that higher segment cars are expected to have more advanced gear systems thus allowing them to cruise at lower RPM ranges.

I think it would be best if u just stopped and read ALL the posts before commenting. I doubt ure gonna be able to find fault with me when its all so clear cut. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 11 2010, 03:31 PM)
U are totally lost. The 30%/70% comparison was regarding the content of his response. Meaning he spoke more about the sale service itself rather than the after sales service. The 30% is for the after sales service.  rclxub.gif Please do read carefully my friend. Ure confusing yourself.

Yes the Vios gives 15km/L. So why do i need to read any further posts later?  rclxub.gif

And no its not commendable because its common lay man's knowledge that higher cc cars will consume lesser fuel on highway cruising (im refering to the 1.6-2.0L cars). This is partly due to the fact that higher segment cars are expected to have more advanced gear systems thus allowing them to cruise at lower RPM ranges.

I think it would be best if u just stopped and read ALL the posts before commenting. I doubt ure gonna be able to find fault with me when its all so clear cut.  biggrin.gif

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exactly, 30%/70% on his post's content while you earlier claimed 0% and wanted 100%. dont contradict yourself mate. you have a problem of comprehending my words. i am asking you to read the further posts on the fc, nothing to do with your vios fc. omg..pengsan.

i am not finding fault with you. you are not that special. You are finding fault with EVERYONE.

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post Oct 11 2010, 04:12 PM


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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 11 2010, 03:31 PM)
U are totally lost. The 30%/70% comparison was regarding the content of his response. Meaning he spoke more about the sale service itself rather than the after sales service. The 30% is for the after sales service.  rclxub.gif Please do read carefully my friend. Ure confusing yourself.

Yes the Vios gives 15km/L. So why do i need to read any further posts later?  rclxub.gif

And no its not commendable because its common lay man's knowledge that higher cc cars will consume lesser fuel on highway cruising (im refering to the 1.6-2.0L cars). This is partly due to the fact that higher segment cars are expected to have more advanced gear systems thus allowing them to cruise at lower RPM ranges.

I think it would be best if u just stopped and read ALL the posts before commenting. I doubt ure gonna be able to find fault with me when its all so clear cut.  biggrin.gif

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its a waste u r not associated with toyota or maybe u are but u deny to increase ur credibility as a normal user
well, say what u want to say, people are sticking to the brand they like.. if toyota is all that high and mighty as u said, i dont understand why there are sooooooo much hondas or other manufacturer besides toyota?
if toyota is really that high and mighty again, other manufacturers can gulung tikar long time ago but why they still survive? because toyota is not all that good afterall whistling.gif
now u r happy with toyota because u got a problem free car, what if 1 day u buy a new toyota and it gave alot of problems? either u will curse upside down like how u complaint about koreans OR u just tell us its a no-problem biggrin.gif
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post Oct 11 2010, 04:46 PM


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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Oct 11 2010, 04:12 PM)
its a waste u r not associated with toyota or maybe u are but u deny to increase ur credibility as a normal user
well, say what u want to say, people are sticking to the brand they like.. if toyota is all that high and mighty as u said, i dont understand why there are sooooooo much hondas or other manufacturer besides toyota?
if toyota is really that high and mighty again, other manufacturers can gulung tikar long time ago but why they still survive? because toyota is not all that good afterall whistling.gif
now u r happy with toyota because u got a problem free car, what if 1 day u buy a new toyota and it gave alot of problems? either u will curse upside down like how u complaint about koreans OR u just tell us its a no-problem biggrin.gif
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Ive said the following in many other threads and forums and ill repeat it here for u:

1) Toyota isnt perfect and it has its drawbacks and limitations. The same with my current ride
2) If 1 day i get a problematic Toyota, my views on Toyota will remain mostly intact as no car manufacturer makes perfect cars surely not Toyota. If brand new Ferrari's can catch fire by the roadside, im sure Toyotas can as well.
3) And the only way im associated with Toyota is thru the car i drive.

Hope that clarifies.
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post Oct 11 2010, 04:52 PM


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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Oct 11 2010, 04:07 PM)
exactly, 30%/70% on his post's content while you earlier claimed 0% and wanted 100%. dont contradict yourself mate. you have a problem of comprehending my words. i am asking you to read the further posts on the fc, nothing to do with your vios fc. omg..pengsan.

i am not finding fault with you. you are not that special. You are finding fault with EVERYONE.
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Now ure contradicting yorself with this EVERYONE statement...and u know it...
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QUOTE(lovehewit @ Oct 11 2010, 03:13 PM)
I am happy with the toyota sc so far too. I think the Honda sc is good too as I accompanied my friend some times to service his accord. I never had problem with my toyota sc, but my friend did with Honda, one time it was some rattling sound after service, 2nd time it was the alarm issue. But that's it.  I would say, both is on par. I've been using the toyota sc for 8 years, and before that I owned a proton, huge different. Best service to date, Merce. But I'm sure that's out of the categories of Toyota, Honda, Nissan or even mazda.

Number of sc is important to many buyers, I totally don't think Nissan would have the number of toyota & honda has. That's also a part of the reputation of the sc too, for the convenient of its buyer.
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This is what I call comparison between brand then only make judgement.

By the way, I don't think quantity is more important than quality. smile.gif Quantity does not means they have the qualities. Yes, quantity may contribute to the reputation but not really will contribute to the quality services itself.

Just IMHO.

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post Oct 11 2010, 05:20 PM


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Now ure contradicting yorself with this EVERYONE statement...and u know it...
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seriously?
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post Oct 11 2010, 06:14 PM


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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 11 2010, 03:31 PM)

And no its not commendable because its common lay man's knowledge that higher cc cars will consume lesser fuel on highway cruising (im refering to the 1.6-2.0L cars). This is partly due to the fact that higher segment cars are expected to have more advanced gear systems thus allowing them to cruise at lower RPM ranges.

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Advanced gearing systems have nothing to do with it. It all boils down to (not partly, but mainly dependent on) torque band, gear ratios and kerb weight. E.g., an old W124 Merc can also achieve good FC on long journeys. Even then, it is wrong to say that a lower cc car cannot match or exceed the FC figures of a 2 litre and beyond car for solely highway travel. It all boils down to traveling within an engine's speed/torque ratio. For example, a Kelisa Auto needs around 3k rpm (estimate, I forget) to hit 100km/h, so if that Kelisa keeps within 100km/h or less, it wouldn't consume a lot of fuel. Only problem is, most ppl on highways will drive up to at least 110 or faster smile.gif

A bigger cc car, say a Camry or Accord, can easily turn over at around 2k rpm at 100-110km/h. If said Camry/Accord driver maintains that speed throughout the journey, then it wouldn't use up a lot of fuel either. But then again, many drivers of such cars tend to go up to 150km/h or beyond, in which case the fuel savings would be minimal as by then, they have to contend with stronger wind resistance.

Ok here's another comparison between two engines on the same chassis. 2.0 and 2.4 Accord. According to published figures by Honda, the 2.4 achieves slightly (marginally) better FC for highway cruising. Both have the same 5-speed autobox, similar chassis with around 50kgs separating the two. So how come the 2.4 got the better figures? Torque. However, the difference is quite minimal (less than 1km/l), suggesting that the 2.0 R20A engine is good enough to power more than 1.4 tonnes of steel. If they had put in a 1.8 engine into the Accord, the much lower torque would've killed the FC figures. So again, it had nothing to do with gearing but it was all about torque difference.

Your point is only correct *if* you compare two similar cars, where one is very underpowered compared to the other. E.g., Nissan Cefiro 2.0 vs 3.0. Even for normal town driving the 3.0 does better than the former. It is only if one is stuck in daily traffic jams more than being driven, will it be better to take the 2.0.


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