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TSlengnui89
post Sep 28 2010, 10:33 AM, updated 16y ago

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*Picture copy from the seller (chchyong89)

*sampling rates up to 32, 44.1, 48kHz,
*16bit digital sigma DAC,
*THD+N = 0.006%(RL>10k ohm),
*SNR = 98dB,
*Dynamic Range = 98dB


Before i get started, one thing i must mention is, I am not a good reviewer, so forgive me if there is anything wrong.


I am a music lover, but i am not hardcore. Due to unsatisfied to my onboard soundcard on my dell laptop, i decided to purchase an USB DAC but my budget is below RM100. and chchyong89 had recommended me this DAC. I got it COD at cyberjaya cyberia yesterday. I am so excited when i look on it, the size is so miniature and so sexy! And i get RM5 off from him for writing a review for this sexy, and had been confirm by him i can write whatever (bad/good) about this device.
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I don't have high end speaker or headphone, just an edifier C3 and shp8900. When i get to home, i instantly find a USB cable connect up my new DAC and get it run! the red and green LED is light up instantly and no driver is needed on my windows 7 32bit rclxms.gif . I just keep telling myself i can't stop testing this device, i can't stop testing this device, then quickly i play some music through this DAC with my collected FLAC album. Immediately, the first thing i notice is, the sound is so much cleaner and so relax even i play it loud compare with my onboard soundcard.

And for your information, i owned an asus xonar U1 too, http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1172998&hl= , but it was sold, the thing i can sure is, the PCM2704 dac can sound a lot better than U1(luckily i sold it off) flex.gif . Afterward, i test on Olivia-fall In Love with, the voice is sweet! The way she sing, the way she pronounce is so detail and solid. And my eyes just can't be turn around instead of keep watching the naked sexy DAC on my table, it look so sexy with its naked body! Keep thinking in my mind( how can this little thing can sing that nice). Seriously, i am impressed when it's with my shp8900 because My shp8900 never sound that good before(but this dac cannot drive this headphone loud, and i definately will buy one amplifier soon, awaiting chchyong89 recommendation thumbup.gif ).


Down side:
BTW, there is good and there is bad too. This DAC, don't deserve to drive headphone directly due to low power output unlike most soundcard. As the seller said, it will be great to get an amp separately instead getting 2-in-1 DAC, which has integrated amplifier and dac together in one device, that not really wise for some people. There is no amplification stage in this DAC, so that we can directly source the signal out from the DAC and connect to any amplifier that flavor us! rclxms.gif


Conclusion:
For sub RM90, i think this is the best ever soundcard exist in the market for everyone in this budget, especially notebook users like me. No one will goes wrong with it. Finally, i will definitely vote this 9/10 if xonar U1 is 6.5/10. And i will guarantee buy one for my girlfriend soon! brows.gif RM90 is totally not a problem for such excellent performer! notworthy.gif

To chchyong89: Thanks for the RM5 discount, but i will still definitely doing this review if there is no discount from you, as this device is a really really a good performer! tongue.gif


Anyone interested can get it here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1578406

This post has been edited by lengnui89: Sep 28 2010, 10:39 AM
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post Sep 28 2010, 10:57 AM

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I have to agree with this bro..

but errr can get a better picture?
Like the whole thing from above?
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post Sep 28 2010, 11:24 AM

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As your request flex.gif And thanks ts for the review, it sound more good than its look wink.gif

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post Sep 28 2010, 12:34 PM

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Good poison! thumbup.gif
Thanks for the effort, yuheng!
OOpps.. lengnui! blush.gif

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post Sep 28 2010, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Sep 28 2010, 12:34 PM)
Good poison! thumbup.gif
Thanks for the effort, yuheng!
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hmm.gif hmm.gif ??
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post Sep 28 2010, 02:45 PM

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omg for RM90 only???? shocking.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(power911 @ Sep 28 2010, 02:45 PM)
omg for RM90 only???? shocking.gif
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Because the (manufacturer) cost might less than USD10,possibly around USD5 tongue.gif

Anyway,since it's quite cheap,compare to others,worth to buy one and playing with mod.
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post Sep 28 2010, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Leolabs @ Sep 28 2010, 03:14 PM)
Because the (manufacturer) cost might less than USD10,possibly around USD5 tongue.gif

Anyway,since it's quite cheap,compare to others,worth to buy one and playing with mod.
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Even the chip(PCM2704) alone is hardly get at the price at USD10 laugh.gif
Btw, it's really a very tempting price rclxms.gif Get it fast while the stocks is
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post Sep 28 2010, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Sep 28 2010, 03:33 PM)
Even the chip(PCM2704) alone is hardly get at the price at USD10 laugh.gif
Btw, it's really a very tempting price rclxms.gif Get it fast while the stocks is
ready icon_rolleyes.gif
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If u purchase the chip more than 1k,u will get less than USD3.
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post Sep 28 2010, 04:01 PM

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soldering the pcm2704 is already mental enough for me to justify half the price.. :dizzy:
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post Sep 28 2010, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Sep 28 2010, 04:01 PM)
soldering the pcm2704 is already mental enough for me to justify half the price.. :dizzy:
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Amen bro, amen. I sure hope those factories are paying the workers enough! tongue.gif


Interesting DAC for its price, definitely. laugh.gif
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Is it able to be on par with Audiotrack OPTOPlay?
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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Sep 28 2010, 04:08 PM)
Amen bro, amen. I sure hope those factories are paying the workers enough! tongue.gif
Interesting DAC for its price, definitely. laugh.gif
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If it's manufacturered in PRC,then the workers paid is.......... shakehead.gif

Anyway,is a TSSOP package,still easy to deal with,if it's a BGA package,that's really nightmare vmad.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 04:50 PM

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See the tagging price, i would say RM90 is definately bang per buck! No need to consider that much, straight away grab one unit like me.

I GUARANTEE You WON'T regret getting this babe go home! rclxs0.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 04:53 PM

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this item on par with Ordnance DAC-1 and Govibe USB DAC? unsure.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 06:29 PM

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Why no cover/ case one? Is it by design? smile.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 06:34 PM

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i wish it has a clothes on it, too sexy for my girlfriend...... drool.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(shadowshine @ Sep 28 2010, 06:29 PM)
Why no cover/ case one? Is it by design? smile.gif
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Semi-DIY style. Casing sendiri kautim.
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post Sep 28 2010, 08:14 PM

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lol i guess i made product endorsement thing viral
neways, wow nice product! maybe i should get one of those too wink.gif
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Can try name card holder as casing,then spray with colour pattern.

Anyway,why no one ask does it sound ANALOG or not??hahaha! rclxms.gif

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post Sep 28 2010, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(Leolabs @ Sep 28 2010, 08:25 PM)
Can try name card holder as casing,then spray with colour pattern.

Anyway,why no one ask does it sound ANALOG or not??hahaha! rclxms.gif
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I would answer like this,
Digital to analog converter, guaranteed is analog output tongue.gif

^shadowshine
Don't worries, girls will like it, even my girlfriend have a lot of FR4 dual layers pcb as keychains hanging around her bags, and she like it very much. wub.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 08:43 PM

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Is analog output..
But whether analog enough is another matter,I guess this is his meaning
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post Sep 28 2010, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(rxy @ Sep 28 2010, 08:43 PM)
Is analog output..
But whether analog enough is another matter,I guess this is his meaning
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I caught what he meaned, especially he caps the word -> ANALOG. tongue.gif It's actually another story. biggrin.gif
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Yea,I know.
But I think we able to get what is able to squeeze from that amount of money.
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QUOTE(rxy @ Sep 28 2010, 09:16 PM)
Yea,I know.
But I think we able to get what is able to squeeze from that amount of money.
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You didn't catch the joke. Try more sarcasm. LOL!


Added on September 28, 2010, 9:24 pm
QUOTE(Leolabs @ Sep 28 2010, 08:25 PM)
Can try name card holder as casing,then spray with colour pattern.

Anyway,why no one ask does it sound ANALOG or not??hahaha! rclxms.gif
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You veli the farnie, you know? thumbup.gif

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post Sep 28 2010, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(rxy @ Sep 28 2010, 09:16 PM)
Yea,I know.
But I think we able to get what is able to squeeze from that amount of money.
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You still can't catch the joke lololol..

tips: who is the most analog guys in lyn? rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Sep 28 2010, 09:53 PM)
You still can't catch the joke lololol..

tips: who is the most analog guys in lyn? rclxs0.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(coolice @ Sep 28 2010, 10:05 PM)
LG
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VK! LOL! tongue.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 10:30 PM

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What analogue sound? Not in the audiophile's dictionary for describing a sound doh.gif doh.gif

tongue.gif

Dictionary:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


So... which does PCM2704 belong to? brows.gif brows.gif

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post Sep 28 2010, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Sep 28 2010, 10:23 PM)
VK! LOL! tongue.gif
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Why lah so fast spoil the fun?
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Sorry to spoil the fun... tongue.gif

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post Sep 28 2010, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Sep 28 2010, 10:23 PM)
VK! LOL! tongue.gif
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Oh harkk... tongue.gif

btw, All stock for this batch habis. PM me if you wan to join the preorder. Around 10 days for the items to reach. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Sep 28 2010, 09:07 PM)
I caught what he meaned, especially he caps the word -> ANALOG.  tongue.gif  It's actually another story. biggrin.gif
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lol
this things. where can sound good one..
unless u mod it with tubes..
some more.. must put NOS..
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QUOTE(PcWork @ Sep 28 2010, 11:50 PM)
lol
this things. where can sound good one..
unless u mod it with tubes..
some more.. must put NOS..
=P
icon_idea.gif  brows.gif
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Branded things not gud... not gud at all whistling.gif

also iszit just me or did other ppl notice "he" like to reply himself with his alternate identity, doesnt take Nancy Drew to figure out.

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QUOTE(dlyz @ Sep 28 2010, 11:56 PM)
Branded things not gud... not gud at all  whistling.gif
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lol
u mana pandai...
ppl tell u oso don't wanna listen...
some more...
you use branded dynaudio speaker...
where can sound good oneeeeeeeeeeeeee...
let me teach you lah.. you must use sonic gear speaker with TUBE , then replace the TUBE to WE NOS tube, only sounds will good..
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u sure kalah one lah..
you very stubborn oh, teach u until now still don't wanna hear....
dynaudio very digital sounding .

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So is this DAC sound better than soundcard like prodigy hd2?

Wish to get one and try but kinda busy, soli chchyong89 ffk today, i see whetehr I can make it tomorrow.. lol
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oh.. dynaudio tak bagus rupenye..
how la... unsure.gif
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Sep 29 2010, 12:18 AM)
oh.. dynaudio tak bagus rupenye..
how la... unsure.gif
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yeah.. tak bagus.. tapi dynaudio tak bagus sampai one of the best driver in the world..
really tak bagus..
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Now another question,does it sounds MUSICAL??? brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(Leolabs @ Sep 29 2010, 12:21 AM)
Now another question,does it  sounds MUSICAL??? brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Lol, i can't get it. doh.gif Anyone? wave.gif
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Sep 29 2010, 12:27 AM)
Lol, i can't get it. doh.gif  Anyone? wave.gif
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It's the same answer. laugh.gif

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rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

what a lolzfull thread ... rclxms.gif
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Lolful~ nice word!! biggrin.gif
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Any idea what is the dimension of this board? Looks like can fit inside a candy box. Then you gf will wonder why you eat so much sweet recently.
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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Sep 29 2010, 12:51 AM)
Any idea what is the dimension of this board? Looks like can fit inside a candy box. Then you gf will wonder why you eat so much sweet recently.
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Here you go

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don't you have to study for your last two papers?

turn off computer la.
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wa....very small ohhhhh

i go and find pendrive casing tomorrow.
then thinking of rip the pendrive casing out to put this.
haha

thickness of the board?
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Sep 29 2010, 01:00 AM)
don't you have to study for your last two papers?

turn off computer la.
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tongue.gif i "watch" once half an hour oni ma...


Added on September 29, 2010, 1:14 am
QUOTE(PcWork @ Sep 29 2010, 01:01 AM)
wa....very small ohhhhh

i go and find pendrive casing tomorrow.
then thinking of rip the pendrive casing out to put this.
haha

thickness of the board?
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^pcwork
PCB thickness : 1.5mm,
Height with parts < roughly 10mm.
Will contact you once the second batch stock arrive smile.gif very soon.

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oh my... this is soooo tempting... drool.gif
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Sep 29 2010, 01:12 AM)
tongue.gif  i "watch" once half an hour oni ma...


Added on September 29, 2010, 1:14 am
^pcwork
PCB thickness : 1.5mm,
Height with parts < roughly 10mm.
Will contact you once the second batch stock arrive smile.gif very soon.
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Wah, mcm can use Wriggley's bubblegum pack for cover. laugh.gif
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i am thinking of this now. hehe

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Sep 29 2010, 09:53 AM)
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i am thinking of this now. hehe
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not mine..
i get this picture from google.

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alamak..
lagi satu kasing utk diy.. doh.gif
my amp pun baru potom besi saja.. tak abih lagi.
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I was wondering does it sounds NATURAL(like wantan mee)?? drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif

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Ok-- sorry to interrupt the fun for a bit, but someone asked earlier if it can match or at least come close to the Ordnance-1 DAC for SQ. Well? Can or cannot? In the market for sub-RM100 DAC as a gift, and so I can keep my Ordnance at home...
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QUOTE(ArianneG @ Sep 29 2010, 04:58 PM)
Ok-- sorry to interrupt the fun for a bit, but someone asked earlier if it can match or at least come close to the Ordnance-1 DAC for SQ. Well? Can or cannot? In the market for sub-RM100 DAC as a gift, and so I can keep my Ordnance at home...
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No idea unsure.gif for sub RM90, can't expect that much.
Btw, maybe DaEMoNteNTAcLe can give some words
tomoro night?
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i bet it would look awesome between two pieces of clear acrylic... brows.gif
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QUOTE(ArianneG @ Sep 29 2010, 04:58 PM)
Ok-- sorry to interrupt the fun for a bit, but someone asked earlier if it can match or at least come close to the Ordnance-1 DAC for SQ. Well? Can or cannot? In the market for sub-RM100 DAC as a gift, and so I can keep my Ordnance at home...
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my guess yes........kinda had to get creative with USB stuff biggrin.gif
beside PCM family shud sound kinda same.......
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Agree with CV6149. Its basically all-in-one chip, and it have no output opamp to tune with the sound, the only thing they do is use boutique caps and resistors to make it better.

For RM90...damn, this is too much poison...must resist...
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wah, that means it is on par with the more expensive Ordnance DAC-1 and Govibe USB DAC lo. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Sep 29 2010, 05:10 PM)
No idea unsure.gif  for sub RM90, can't expect that much.
Btw, maybe DaEMoNteNTAcLe can give some words
tomoro night?
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sure.
well.. i dont have ordnance to compare, but i have good expectations.
was already looking for a superfine dac without any amp on it for some time.. very basic dac..
this really fits the bill.
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LOL. Well folks, if anyone who's got this DAC is coming to Saturday's gathering, Jaben has the Ordnance, and if I am able to come I can bring mine as well, which is already well used.
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with foobar and asio4all.......
u set to a damn good stuff.....

talking abt good parts.......how about silmic II and vishay RN resistor? hehehhe

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yeah compare both this dac and the ordnance and tell me... coz i only remember ordnance dac...
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This is even cheaper than DIY a Bantam DAC or Alien DAC.

I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't......
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Aww go on. You know you want to. Go ahead, buy it, then put up a review here and share the effects of this poison. You KNOW it's what you wanna do...
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I'll wait for a review before deciding on this "poison" haha... I wonder how it compares to X-Fi's CS4382 hmm.gif
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Sep 29 2010, 09:56 PM)
This is even cheaper than DIY a Bantam DAC or Alien DAC.

I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't......
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oh yes!..its comparable with these dac........

for me,the only diff in the sq depends on the output caps used.......biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Sep 29 2010, 09:56 PM)
This is even cheaper than DIY a Bantam DAC or Alien DAC.

I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't...I should... I shouldn't......
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Wait the stock arrive, then just take 1 unit la, no need to make the decision that hard, it won't hurt your pocket at all biggrin.gif

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To buy or not to buy, that is the question! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Sep 30 2010, 03:09 PM)
To buy or not to buy, that is the question! tongue.gif
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lol... rclxms.gif nod.gif this i agree....
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QUOTE(CV6149 @ Sep 29 2010, 09:26 PM)
with foobar and asio4all.......
u set to a damn good stuff.....

talking abt good parts.......how about silmic II and vishay RN resistor? hehehhe
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i bet it would look awesome between two pieces of clear acrylic... brows.gif
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QUOTE(Dreamworks @ Sep 29 2010, 10:53 PM)
I'll wait for a review before deciding on this "poison" haha... I wonder how it compares to X-Fi's CS4382 hmm.gif
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yea, this is interesting too. brows.gif
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Haha cheap poison, means you not only can die one time. But can enjoy dying many many times.

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"good things comes in small packages.."

the quote here is not valid, since the thing is soo small.. its actually small things comes in huge packages...

speaking of packaging, generous bubble wrappings plus sealed magnetic shielded plastic wrap. very nice and protective. thumbup.gif

i havnt had time to try it yet.. but.. this thing is about mcdonald/kfc chilli sauce package minus the length.. impressive compacts.
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Sep 29 2010, 12:18 AM)
oh.. dynaudio tak bagus rupenye..
how la... unsure.gif
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ya tak bagus.... menyesal beli, shud keep my money to buy 2000 bowl wantan mee

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ya tak bagus.... menyesal beli, shud keep my money to buy 2000 bowl wantan mee
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sarawak more ppl prefer kampua....
wantan mee not nice ...=P

darn.. i miss ko lok mee..

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QUOTE(lengnui89 @ Sep 28 2010, 11:33 AM)
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*Picture copy from the seller (chchyong89)

*sampling rates up to 32, 44.1, 48kHz,
*16bit digital sigma DAC,
*THD+N = 0.006%(RL>10k ohm),
*SNR = 98dB,
*Dynamic Range = 98dB


Before i get started, one thing i must mention is, I am not a good reviewer, so forgive me if there is anything wrong.


I am a music lover, but i am not hardcore. Due to unsatisfied to my onboard soundcard on my dell laptop, i decided to purchase an USB DAC but my budget is below RM100. and chchyong89 had recommended me this DAC. I got it COD at cyberjaya cyberia yesterday. I am so excited when i look on it, the size is so miniature and so sexy! And i get RM5 off from him for writing a review for this sexy, and had been confirm by him i can write whatever (bad/good) about this device.
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I don't have high end speaker or headphone, just an edifier C3 and shp8900. When i get to home, i instantly find a USB cable connect up my new DAC and get it run! the red and green LED is light up instantly and no driver is needed on my windows 7 32bit rclxms.gif . I just keep telling myself i can't stop testing this device,  i can't stop testing this device, then quickly i play some music through this DAC with my collected FLAC album. Immediately, the first thing i notice is, the sound is so much cleaner and so relax even i play it loud compare with my onboard soundcard.

And for your information, i owned an asus xonar U1 too, http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1172998&hl= , but it was sold, the thing i can sure is, the PCM2704 dac can sound a lot better than U1(luckily i sold it off) flex.gif  . Afterward, i test on Olivia-fall In Love with, the voice is sweet! The way she sing, the way she pronounce is so detail and solid. And my eyes just can't be turn around instead of keep watching the naked sexy DAC on my table, it look so sexy with its naked body! Keep thinking in my mind( how can this little thing can sing that nice). Seriously, i am impressed when it's with my shp8900 because My shp8900 never sound that good before(but this dac cannot drive this headphone loud, and i definately will buy one amplifier soon, awaiting chchyong89 recommendation thumbup.gif ).
Down side:
BTW, there is good and there is bad too. This DAC, don't deserve to drive headphone directly due to low power output unlike most soundcard. As the seller said, it will be great to get an amp separately instead getting 2-in-1 DAC, which has integrated amplifier and dac together in one device, that not really wise for some people. There is no amplification stage in this DAC, so that we can directly source the signal out from the DAC and connect to any amplifier that flavor us! rclxms.gif
Conclusion:
For sub RM90, i think this is the best ever soundcard exist in the market for everyone in this budget, especially notebook users like me. No one will goes wrong with it. Finally, i will definitely vote this 9/10 if xonar U1 is 6.5/10. And i will guarantee buy one for my girlfriend soon! brows.gif  RM90 is totally not a problem for such excellent performer! notworthy.gif

To chchyong89: Thanks for the RM5 discount, but i will still definitely  doing this review if there is no discount from you, as this device is a really really a good performer! tongue.gif
Anyone interested can get it here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1578406
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all metal film can sound good?
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all metal film can sound good?
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Oh hark, tailou lai liao... yawn.gif
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QUOTE(PcWork @ Sep 30 2010, 06:58 PM)
sarawak more ppl prefer kampua....
wantan mee not nice ...=P

darn.. i miss ko lok mee..
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oh kolo me i oso suda lama tak makan.. sad.gif


Added on September 30, 2010, 8:04 pmok this is good.
buy it.


Added on September 30, 2010, 8:17 pmthis is a very nice dac. i iz happy.. wub.gif


Added on September 30, 2010, 8:22 pmthx lengnui89 for introducing this dac.
thx chchyong89 for bringing this at a steal price.

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lol chchyong89.. im working wif my PCM2902 now.. damn how u manage to solder such small pins??? can i know wat solder gun u using? haha
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Sep 30 2010, 07:22 PM)
oh kolo me i oso suda lama tak makan.. sad.gif


Added on September 30, 2010, 8:04 pmok this is good.
buy it.


Added on September 30, 2010, 8:17 pmthis is a very nice dac. i iz happy.. wub.gif


Added on September 30, 2010, 8:22 pmthx lengnui89 for introducing this dac.
thx chchyong89 for bringing this at a steal price.
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Yes! this is seriously a very nice DAC, i using it with my edifier C3 now thumbup.gif
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kampua and ko lok aso good la..
nx time shud ask my friend bring some back..
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Speak of the devil...

QUOTE(vir___killer @ Sep 30 2010, 03:26 PM)
best resistor for digital is VISHAY Z-foil Z201.
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Anyway, I read a bit about it, and some people swears by it. But I couldn't even find a place that sells them. doh.gif


Added on September 30, 2010, 11:05 pm
QUOTE(PcWork @ Sep 30 2010, 06:58 PM)
sarawak more ppl prefer kampua....
wantan mee not nice ...=P

darn.. i miss ko lok mee..
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KOLO MEE!!!!!


Added on September 30, 2010, 11:10 pm
QUOTE(vir___killer @ Sep 30 2010, 07:11 PM)
all metal film can sound good?
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Don't lah like that... your level so canggih liao... Not everyone is as OCD like audiophiles. Maybe they have other hobbies to OCD about.


Added on September 30, 2010, 11:13 pmCome to think of it... can use this DAC for Lampization or FETishizator training. Rosak pun takpe.

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Superstition.Telling people to listen more than talk but ask about brand/material,funny! shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Oct 1 2010, 12:01 AM)
Speak of the devil...

Anyway, I read a bit about it, and some people swears by it. But I couldn't even find a place that sells them.  doh.gif

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its like this lah..
partsconnection got sell mah.
this is best for signal lo. ONLY IN DIGITAL USE, if pre and power use it will sound clinical.
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At last i manage to set up asio on my foobar, i spent up whole day just to learn this. (i know i am damn noob). sweat.gif

The different is significant, but when I tend to listen it seriously, i can hear there is little bit improvement, at least it just goes smoother with asio4all.
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Have you tried using WASAPI? It's much easier to set up than ASIO4ALL. Download the WASAPI component from their site and put it in the component directory.
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@Najmods: may i ask a question? I wanna try WASAPI with my foobar. all i have to do is paste the plug-in file into foobar's component directory right? do i need to install/download anything else? hmm.gif thanks in advance! notworthy.gif
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WASAPI doesn't need anything else, I think: AFAIK it uses Windows's own drivers or something, so no need any external drivers, unlike ASIO. Then again, I've never had luck with getting WASAPI to work; I find ASIO easier to work with, actually, even with its little idiosyncrasies.
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i see. Thanks for the reply. gonna try em both. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Oct 1 2010, 08:06 PM)
@Najmods: may i ask a question? I wanna try WASAPI with my foobar. all i have to do is paste the plug-in file into foobar's component directory right? do i need to install/download anything else? hmm.gif thanks in advance! notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(ArianneG @ Oct 1 2010, 09:34 PM)
WASAPI doesn't need anything else, I think: AFAIK it uses Windows's own drivers or something, so no need any external drivers, unlike ASIO. Then again, I've never had luck with getting WASAPI to work; I find ASIO easier to work with, actually, even with its little idiosyncrasies.
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AdrianneG already say it wink.gif You just need to put the WASAPI DLL into the component folder and select your output to 'WASAPI : <your output device> '

As for AdrianneG, have you select proper bitrate and sampling rate in Sound control panel?

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tried both WASAPI and ASIO, and seems like WASAPI is so much easier to work with. biggrin.gif
@ArianneG: I read somewhere that if u're using a USB DAC, and u want to use WASAPI with foobar, u must set Buffer length <1000ms, and Output format must be set to 16-bit. Sound properties in Control panel should also set to 16 bit, 44100Hz (CD Quality). But I cant remember the link though... sweat.gif
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@Najmods: Well that's where I hit a snag... I did select the bitrate and sampling, but then it failed somewhere, can't remember. I didn't know why, and since ASIO was working fine I just stuck with ASIO and didn't really want to bother tinkering some more.

@danny_sp15: Oh, is that so? Reckon that might be it then. I'll go try it out. smile.gif Thanks!

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I'm using WASAPI with my foobar.. dead simple thumbup.gif
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@ArianneG: Let's hope it works! biggrin.gif
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So does anyone detect any difference in performance and/or sound quality between WASAPI and ASIO?
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i dont hear any difference after installing wasapi =.=
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i dont hear any difference after installing wasapi =.=
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compare to asio? or direct sound?
if compare to asio . they shall be very very similar.

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Oct 1 2010, 11:19 PM)
compare to asio? or direct sound?
if compare to asio . they shall be very very similar.
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nope compared to stock driver or direct sound?
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QUOTE(metaloid @ Oct 1 2010, 11:24 PM)
nope compared to stock driver or direct sound?
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if compare to direct sound.
it will show it's different especially on treble.
it will sounds much smoother.
soundstage is wider than direct sound.
=)

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I don't think windows7 has kmixer effects like XP.

So ASIO should not sound any different than WAV.
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Oct 1 2010, 11:27 PM)
I don't think windows7 has kmixer effects like XP.

So ASIO should not sound any different than WAV.
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never been sure about it. as i never tested it in win7.
but i heard a lot people reported that too.
but on window XP. the effect is very significant.

in win 7 i directly change to wasapi just to make sure there's no annoying MSN sound / window sound when i hear music.
yet when i unplug my DAC from computer and use notebook for work, i can still have those sounds.

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Oct 1 2010, 11:26 PM)
if compare to direct sound.
it will show it's different especially on treble.
it will sounds much smoother.
soundstage is wider than direct sound.
=)
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hmm the difference is so small is not noticeable for me. maybe its cause of the hardware or source?
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So which is better for usage in Win7 convenience wise? Mind you, I switch off ALL sounds from programs and system so it doesn't interfere with my music.
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hmm the difference is so small is not noticeable for me. maybe its cause of the hardware or source?
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if it is very small.
then don't bother about it loh.
just enjoy ur song.

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Oct 1 2010, 11:27 PM)
I don't think windows7 has kmixer effects like XP.

So ASIO should not sound any different than WAV.
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That's something new to me... though I've never properly tried to compare between using on Win7 or XP... sooooo I'm blurred as well regarding this. But, now I'm using DAC during listening, so the difference between using ASIO and the DAC output is really prominent. >_>
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weird.. when running on asio.. it will solely play sounds from foobar and have everything else muted .. using windows 7 pro here..

i find a huge significant diff on asio with my system as i can put the buffer length to 50ms in foobar.. and asio4all's buffer to null

it some sort of reduce latency by a large margin but the drawback is songs will "lag" abit when youre skipping a track .. but no problem if you play from start to end
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k.. after comparing,
found out that the DAC is a bit slow. not so good for fast songs.. smeared detail a bit.
body is very nice along with the bass.
otherwise, for the price, and if u dont have any dac, it can be considered a good buy.
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heh should be typical BB's sound then biggrin.gif .. if not mistaken its a little laidback , nice for slow songs..
for RM90 it is indeed a very good buy.. you cant even get a decent soundcard for RM90 to begin with(first hand) .. not to mention something external like this sweat.gif
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omg i'm interested on this small dac....
but no casing for it >.<
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Casing is no issue.. many to choose or use your imagination wink.gif
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I've been thinking too far... sad.gif

A machined out aluminium casing or something that made of aluminium plate....
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QUOTE(Cosef @ Oct 2 2010, 03:01 PM)
I've been thinking too far... sad.gif

A machined out aluminium casing or something that made of aluminium plate....
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and end up the cost would be more..........biggrin.gif


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A good casing will definitely cost more esp. for bang for buck stuffs, eg the T-Amp's TA2024. U can't get a good casing for it for less than RM55! laugh.gif
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try this:
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shouldnt cost much .. all it need is a suitable plastic box .. a hot nail/drill and youre done biggrin.gif

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maybe we can make a thread to show off our own casing for this DAC in the future. that would be interesting. biggrin.gif
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Yea but i really wonder how much would it cost to make a small high quality casing.....if that DAC is really good then it is worth for it.
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Depends on how much you're willing to splurge on it! tongue.gif
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How about i organize one competition?
One USB PCM2704 will be awarded to
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will encourage more people to show their
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now this is getting interesting! drool.gif
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 2 2010, 08:05 PM)
Depends on how much you're willing to splurge on it! tongue.gif
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I can spend a little more but not sure where got custom aluminium case.... sad.gif
I think i should stop thinking too far...

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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Oct 2 2010, 09:12 PM)
How about i organize one competition?
One USB PCM2704 will be awarded to
the most creative design.  :lust:Although
the gift is not really that valuable, but this
will encourage more people to show their
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good marketing skill indeed!
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Oct 2 2010, 08:12 PM)
How about i organize one competition?
One USB PCM2704 will be awarded to
the most creative design.  :lust:Although
the gift is not really that valuable, but this
will encourage more people to show their
creativity and talent thumbup.gif
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just use large dia. heatshrink wrap around them tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vir___killer @ Oct 3 2010, 06:33 AM)
good marketing skill indeed!
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u need to change ur signature bro, or else mod will nuke it.
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more like vacation wink.gif
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Oct 3 2010, 08:44 AM)
u need to change ur signature bro, or else mod will nuke it.
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scaring others don't know what he is using. rclxs0.gif
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Added on October 3, 2010, 9:56 am
QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Oct 3 2010, 10:30 AM)
scaring others don't know what he is using. rclxs0.gif
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hehe... paiseh..

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just use large dia. heatshrink wrap around them tongue.gif
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You did gave me a special idea.... rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(coolice @ Oct 3 2010, 08:09 AM)
just use large dia. heatshrink wrap around them tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Oct 2 2010, 08:12 PM)
How about i organize one competition?
One USB PCM2704 will be awarded to
the most creative design.  :lust:Although
the gift is not really that valuable, but this
will encourage more people to show their
creativity and talent thumbup.gif
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not really valuable?? i would jump for joy if i win it coz im still thinking whether to get one =/
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QUOTE(metaloid @ Oct 3 2010, 10:58 PM)
not really valuable?? i would jump for joy if i win it coz im still thinking whether to get one =/
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My advice is, If you very like listen to music but you are not that hardcore and picky just like me, you won't goes wrong with this one. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(lengnui89 @ Oct 4 2010, 04:39 PM)
My advice is, If you very like listen to music but you are not that hardcore and picky just like me, you won't goes wrong with this one. rclxm9.gif
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Is this sound card are better then any build in sound card in the notebook or pc?.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(riddy @ Oct 5 2010, 09:21 AM)
Is this sound card are better then any build in sound card in the notebook or pc?..  smile.gif
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I would not say YES, but Definitely!!! thumbup.gif It sound a lot better than build-in soundcard. It's best to use headphone to hear the difference if you don't have one good speaker.
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QUOTE(lengnui89 @ Oct 5 2010, 09:26 AM)
I would not say YES, but Definitely!!!  thumbup.gif  It sound a lot better than build-in soundcard. It's best to use headphone to hear the difference if you don't have one good speaker.
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Added on October 5, 2010, 10:50 amif compare with Creative X-Fi go (RM180)...which 1 better?..

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can anyone tell me the comparison of this sq with hippo gumstick?
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i heard this thing as a laid back or warm signature...something similar to sansa clip+... true?
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QUOTE(andrew9292 @ Oct 5 2010, 03:07 PM)
i heard this thing as a laid back or warm signature...something similar to sansa clip+... true?
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It's all depend on you taking which as reference
and compare with. tongue.gif There is almost nothing
at the same price can take this down.
And I am ex-owner of clip+, i can sure this is a lot better than clip+.
Prove: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1362523&hl= blush.gif
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QUOTE(metaloid @ Oct 5 2010, 02:38 PM)
can anyone tell me the comparison of this sq with hippo gumstick?
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if just playing slow songs, slightly above gumstick.
if fast paced, then below gumstick and/or clip+.
if consider fullness of the sound body and bass alone, above gumstick.

overall, unless i figured a way to make it faster sounding.. personally i would put it below gumstick.

problem is.. if u are not using good phones or speakers and good source, the difference in speed would be small.

either way it is still rm90 vs rm315. for the price, the value is there.

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wat kind of dac has fast sounding yet warm sound signature?
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I would note that for songs with lots of detail, like my favourite Mike Oldfield music, the DAC is too slow and end up smearing the details. The Clip+ however delivers the right speed. Though of course sadly the body and weight of the sound, especially bass and mid cannot match this DAC. Clip+ isn't very warm... well, not with Shroom EB anyway.
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 5 2010, 04:11 PM)
if just playing slow songs, slightly above gumstick.
if fast paced, then below gumstick and/or clip+.
if consider fullness of the sound body and bass alone, above gumstick.

overall, unless i figured a way to make it faster sounding.. personally i would put it below gumstick.

problem is.. if u are not using good phones or speakers and good source, the difference in speed would be small.

either way it is still rm90 vs rm315. for the price, the value is there.
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thanks for the review dude. then u should find a way to make it faster rclxms.gif or are u still using the dac?
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QUOTE(metaloid @ Oct 5 2010, 04:47 PM)
thanks for the review dude. then u should find a way to make it faster rclxms.gif or are u still using the dac?
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i dunno how.... laugh.gif
and didnt really have time to play.
not really using it, since my onboard (yep nod.gif) is quite good.

QUOTE(public holiday @ Oct 5 2010, 04:26 PM)
wat kind of dac has fast sounding yet warm sound signature?
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the only one i know would be go-vibe dac. i think arnd rm240. i dont own it so i cant comment on the sound much.
it is warm tho, works well with ck10, but maybe a tad too warm with bassy phone for my taste. jaben sells this for rm240 if im not mistaken.
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 5 2010, 04:11 PM)
if just playing slow songs, slightly above gumstick.
if fast paced, then below gumstick and/or clip+.
if consider fullness of the sound body and bass alone, above gumstick.

overall, unless i figured a way to make it faster sounding.. personally i would put it below gumstick.

problem is.. if u are not using good phones or speakers and good source, the difference in speed would be small.

either way it is still rm90 vs rm315. for the price, the value is there.
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Very thanks DaEMoNteNTAcLe for the kind review wub.gif

Perhaps, using a very high input with very low
output impedance buffer can cure the "slow" sounding?
-> JISBOS thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Oct 6 2010, 09:21 AM)
Very thanks DaEMoNteNTAcLe for the kind review  wub.gif

Perhaps, using a very high input with very low
output impedance buffer can cure the "slow" sounding?
-> JISBOS thumbup.gif
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very interesting idea. tho im not very sure how to increase the input.
i was actually thinking the problem is more on the synchronous transfer on the usb side.
now if i only know how to properly read circuit board.. was never good at it anyways.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(public holiday @ Oct 5 2010, 04:26 PM)
wat kind of dac has fast sounding yet warm sound signature?
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 5 2010, 04:59 PM)
i dunno how.... laugh.gif
and didnt really have time to play.
not really using it, since my onboard (yep nod.gif) is quite good.
the only one i know would be go-vibe dac. i think arnd rm240. i dont own it so i cant comment on the sound much.
it is warm tho, works well with ck10, but maybe a tad too warm with bassy phone for my taste. jaben sells this for rm240 if im not mistaken.
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I was about to recommend that, but yeah, the price is about RM240, more pricey than this, but for sure it is fast and warm.
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interesting..
im trying it with a different usb cable.. and i dont really feel it's slow..
maybe my usb hath n0t enuff p0w3r?...
or.. maybe needs some burnin for the caps?
or.. ck10 is fast?
too many variables.. i also dont have optoplay to compare anymore, just my lappy's stock realmedia HD onboard, which is quite good.. cant really come with a conclusion.. but i'll be playing with this dac for awhile now.
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is there slight improvement if i'm connected it with my TA2024 and TA2020???currently connected directly from my laptop inboard sc...


Added on October 6, 2010, 10:14 pmis there slight improvement if i'm connected it with my TA2024 and TA2020???currently connected directly from my laptop inboard sc...

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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 6 2010, 09:17 PM)
interesting..
im trying it with a different usb cable.. and i dont really feel it's slow..
maybe my usb hath n0t enuff p0w3r?...
or.. maybe needs some burnin for the caps?
or.. ck10 is fast?
too many variables.. i also dont have optoplay to compare anymore, just my lappy's stock realmedia HD onboard, which is quite good.. cant really come with a conclusion.. but i'll be playing with this dac for awhile now.
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Hmm. Burning in is also probably a good idea. I am thinking that everything needs burn in for audio stuff, even the DAC, strangely. I'm not sure if Shroom EB qualifies as slow then: because on Shroom EB the DAC was still somewhat slow, though it was not as obvious as when on cans. Maybe the slowness of detail we both heard was due to not enough power to drive the cans? Inadequate USB power is an interesting proposition. Well. If there's another meeting sometime at Jaben you're coming to, let me know. Can drag my lappy with me to see whether the 'not enough juice' theory holds or not.
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QUOTE(ArianneG @ Oct 7 2010, 12:24 AM)
Hmm. Burning in is also probably a good idea. I am thinking that everything needs burn in for audio stuff, even the DAC, strangely. I'm not sure if Shroom EB qualifies as slow then: because on Shroom EB the DAC was still somewhat slow, though it was not as obvious as when on cans. Maybe the slowness of detail we both heard was due to not enough power to drive the cans? Inadequate USB power is an interesting proposition. Well. If there's another meeting sometime at Jaben you're coming to, let me know. Can drag my lappy with me to see whether the 'not enough juice' theory holds or not.
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A question, is it an amp in the middle line? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Oct 7 2010, 01:10 AM)
A question, is it an amp in the middle line? rolleyes.gif
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nope, direct connect..

currently the only amp in my hand is the go-vibe ppk. i have a silver cable and vdh interconnect to go along with it.

QUOTE(ArianneG @ Oct 7 2010, 12:24 AM)
Hmm. Burning in is also probably a good idea. I am thinking that everything needs burn in for audio stuff, even the DAC, strangely. I'm not sure if Shroom EB qualifies as slow then: because on Shroom EB the DAC was still somewhat slow, though it was not as obvious as when on cans. Maybe the slowness of detail we both heard was due to not enough power to drive the cans? Inadequate USB power is an interesting proposition. Well. If there's another meeting sometime at Jaben you're coming to, let me know. Can drag my lappy with me to see whether the 'not enough juice' theory holds or not.
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well i wont be arnd for some time, i believe my bro is comin back to kl in another week? u might want to catch his unit instead.
anyways im using a different usb 2.0 cable with twin input as of now. there's also the possibility the caps took sometime to charge because of the low usb power, or it was off for sometime already, so need to build charge.
I didnt really notice the smearing we heard before on tubular bells.

so i'll be running it thru a day with my old hd201 and see what happens tonight.
later when i do have time i'll be putting it to the merciless test of the 300ohm HD650 + Symphonica, it will show all flaws without reservation brows.gif

seems like i'll be keeping this DAC after all. the low end weight and sound body is very nice. thumbup.gif


Added on October 7, 2010, 8:36 amoh chchyong89.. just kinda itchy, no offence here but..
this is for you..


=)


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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 7 2010, 08:33 AM)
nope, direct connect..

currently the only amp in my hand is the go-vibe ppk. i have a silver cable and vdh interconnect to go along with it.
well i wont be arnd for some time, i believe my bro is comin back to kl in another week? u might want to catch his unit instead.
anyways im using a different usb 2.0 cable with twin input as of now. there's also the possibility the caps took sometime to charge because of the low usb power, or it was off for sometime already, so need to build charge.
I didnt really notice the smearing we heard before on tubular bells.

so i'll be running it thru a day with my old hd201 and see what happens tonight.
later when i do have time i'll be putting it to the merciless test of the 300ohm HD650 + Symphonica, it will show all flaws without reservation brows.gif

seems like i'll be keeping this DAC after all. the low end weight and sound body is very nice. thumbup.gif


Added on October 7, 2010, 8:36 amoh chchyong89.. just kinda itchy, no offence here but..
this is for you..


=)

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u no good u no good =( sweat.gif

An amp is recommended in the middle line between
the DAC and your cans, then u can hear more of this DAC. biggrin.gif

Btw, i tried shp8900 directly into this dac and
it distort like hell when i tune up the volume. It has a very
great signal but the output of this dac is too limited
to drive some cans directly. It's unlike some other
dac which has opamp at the output stage that is capable
to produce higher current output, (but opamp do
colorize the signal") doh.gif

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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Oct 7 2010, 11:36 AM)
u no good u no good =(  sweat.gif

An amp is recommended in the middle line between
the DAC and your cans, then u can hear more of this DAC. biggrin.gif

Btw, i tried shp8900 directly into this dac and
it distorb like hell when i tune up the volume. It has a very
great signal but the output of this dac is too limited
to drive some cans directly. It's unlike some other
dac which has opamp at the output stage that is capable
to produce higher current output, (but opamp do
colorize the signal") doh.gif
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actually already tried that,
the combination of this dac + ppk is cleaner vs optoplay + ppk, tho it still doesnt fix the slow problem last time. im not really sure what happened, will need some people to test together and some feedback.
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 7 2010, 12:12 PM)
actually already tried that,
the combination of this dac + ppk is cleaner vs optoplay + ppk, tho it still doesnt fix the slow problem last time. im not really sure what happened, will need some people to test together and some feedback.
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For me, it sound much better from time to time on my edifier C3 from the first day i bought it. Maybe this is what u guys call it as burn in progress in audiophile world? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(lengnui89 @ Oct 7 2010, 02:23 PM)
For me, it sound much better from time to time on my edifier C3 from the first day i bought it. Maybe this is what u guys call it as burn in progress in audiophile world? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(lengnui89 @ Oct 7 2010, 02:23 PM)
For me, it sound much better from time to time on my edifier C3 from the first day i bought it. Maybe this is what u guys call it as burn in progress in audiophile world? hmm.gif
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More or less haha, the more you use it basically the more it will "mature", and... things can go pretty far depending on the age of usage. >_> hmm.gif
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Bro Daemon, am looking forward to your verdict with the Symphonica test then. So now you're saying that even on Tubular Bells with this DAC there is less obvious smearing if using a two-headed USB cable like the o nes used on 2.5" portable HDDs?? Fahrenheit147 coming? Will PM him and ask how much time he's logged on the DAC ad request the opportunity to test again then. If the smearing issue DOES go away with burn in I would get this DAC for sure.
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QUOTE(ArianneG @ Oct 7 2010, 06:01 PM)
Bro Daemon, am looking forward to your verdict with the Symphonica test then. So now you're saying that even on Tubular Bells with this DAC there is less obvious smearing if using a two-headed USB cable like the o nes used on 2.5" portable HDDs?? Fahrenheit147 coming? Will PM him and ask how much time he's logged on the DAC ad request the opportunity to test again then. If the smearing issue DOES go away with burn in I would get this DAC for sure.
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yep that cable.
im thinking the cable we used that day may be a form of restriction, but i havent retested it yet. so no conclusion yet.
i also havent heard tubular bells on pmod-symphonica setup, so im not really sure if im picking up the right info as well.
a/b testing is kinda hard especially when you are tired.. everything ends up sounding the same laugh.gif

i'll have some conclusion by the end of this weekend
it does seem however that i'll be keeping the dac.. until i got something bigger.. maybe.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 7 2010, 06:15 PM)
yep that cable.
im thinking the cable we used that day may be a form of restriction, but i havent retested it yet. so no conclusion yet.
i also havent heard tubular bells on pmod-symphonica setup, so im not really sure if im picking up the right info as well.
a/b testing is kinda hard especially when you are tired.. everything ends up sounding the same laugh.gif

i'll have some conclusion by the end of this weekend
it does seem however that i'll be keeping the dac.. until i got something bigger.. maybe.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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the tubular bells u guys are talking abt is an album?
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Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 2003.
i dunno whether it's an album or not.. seems like a single recording of 48mins 40 secs..
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It is indeed an album..
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k i've been doing some comparison..
gears is Pmod, gumstick, and the usb dac.
output to silver cable-> ppk-> HD650 symphonica.

most of the comparison will be between the gumstick and the dac. on board out of window.. laugh.gif

apparently i just found out.. the usb cable i used that day might be faulty or not up to the task. at first it failed to detect the DAC. it also exhibit a slightly more smearing effect.. so i contribute that to the usb cable. too much current draw perhaps.

2nd,
the dual usb cable improves the mids on the DAC. difference is minor, but can be heard, especially if you are used to comparing sounds. i would recommend using it.

so........
eventually i came up with the same conclusion:
the dac is slightly slower than gumstick. the difference can be heard if pay close attention, but is also almost negligible.
gumstick is also a bit more cold sounding, slightly on analytical side, hence the slight extra speed.
there's also some very minor difference in layering comparing this dac to gumstick. i would give extra edge on depth to this dac vs gumstick.
i'll be keeping the dac. for what it's worth, its a really good value and performer already. what i really value this dac for is the ability to deliver weight and body to the sound, something i found most dac lacking, and tries to compensate with a mid-bass hump or warm pre-amp. it's also not right to expect miracles from a cheap dac. i will be keeping it. smile.gif

...
...

vs pmod;
LOL. laugh.gif


Added on October 7, 2010, 11:09 pmoh yeah.. i forgot to mention.
songs used,
Neujahrskonzert 2008 track 4. this is orchestra, with very fast multi drums layering at the opening.

and.. to clarify,
at almost all max volume (foobar 0db, windows max), im able to deliver my hd650+symphonica to an acceptably loud volume. i think most considers this volume normal listening volume though.

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How does this fare with the Ordnance-1/ Go-Vibe DAC ?


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go buy the alu housing..
i expect a good machined alu housing similar to the govibe to cost arnd rm150..
so..
yeah rm90 + 150.. go-figure.. xD

dont have go-vibe or ordnance to test it out..
ordnance is probably faster.. hence, more micro resolution..
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Ordnance IS pretty fast; rather accurate to my ear, doubtless. Otherwise my slower than snail RM60 speakers wouldn't have improved any, LOL. Sadly, this DAC definitely beats it for warmth and volume. Now if only there is a DAC that won't burn a hole in my pocket while being warm like this DAC AND accurate in speed like the Ordnance. *sigh*

Tubular Bells 2003 IS an album-- remastered 2003 release of the original 1970s version, which was on LP vinyl... Check it out on Wikipedia. Most may be familiar with the opening as part of the Exorcist's OST. I just had foobar turn all the separate tracks into one track for my portable player because I prefer listening it to it as one song-- makes more sense to me that way and saves my Clip+ 's battery. XD rxy has the original files...

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at almost all max volume (foobar 0db, windows max), im able to deliver my hd650+symphonica to an acceptably loud volume. i think most considers this volume normal listening volume though.


NORMAL listening volume?! How not to go deaf? I don't go past level 8 at the most on the master volume in Windows listening with headphones; I only set to max if it's hooked up with speakers.




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QUOTE(ArianneG @ Oct 8 2010, 01:06 AM)
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Tubular Bells 2003 IS an album-- remastered 2003 release of the original 1970s version, which was on LP vinyl... Check it out on Wikipedia. Most may be familiar with the opening as part of the Exorcist's OST. I just had foobar turn all the separate tracks into one track for my portable player because I prefer listening it to it as one song-- makes more sense to me that way and saves my Clip+ 's  battery. XD rxy has the original files...
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i have the disc.
dunno when i bought it. haha just dig it out from my cabinet.

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Lawl. Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells is his best work, I think. Along with Amarok and Incantations. Sadly his original CDs are all )(&(*& expensive...
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QUOTE(ArianneG @ Oct 8 2010, 01:06 AM)
Ordnance IS pretty fast; rather accurate to my ear, doubtless. Otherwise my slower than snail RM60 speakers wouldn't have improved any, LOL. Sadly, this DAC definitely beats it for warmth and volume. Now if only there is a DAC that won't burn a hole in my pocket while being warm like this DAC AND accurate in speed like the Ordnance. *sigh*

NORMAL listening volume?! How not to go deaf? I don't go past level 8 at the most on the master volume in Windows listening with headphones; I only set to max if it's hooked up with speakers.
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normal, since its driving a 300ohm. by comparison if on gumstick with shroom EB.. about.. 16 or 17 kinda loud.
my preferred listening volume on gumstick with ck10 is 4, usually 8 outdoor tho.
well.. it's a give an take kinda thing.. if want both.. then have to be looking at higher price tag.. there's always a compromise when cost is involved.. sleep.gif.

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i have the disc.
dunno when i bought it. haha just dig it out from my cabinet.
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haha.. ada saja harta karun..
maybe one of these days im gonna spend some time treasure hunting ur house..
mana tau jumpe bley jumpa qualia or r10.. or... another lavry dac11 ka... brows.gif
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 8 2010, 08:26 AM)
maybe one of these days im gonna spend some time treasure hunting ur house..
mana tau jumpe bley jumpa qualia or r10.. or... another lavry dac11 ka... brows.gif
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^ rclxms.gif a nice way to alter the meaning "robbery" laugh.gif hahahahaha

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Oct 8 2010, 08:44 AM)
rclxms.gif a nice way to alter the meaning "robbery"  laugh.gif hahahahaha
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@ArianneG:How did you separate them?
By converting?
Or any cue sheet cutter??
I thought you will save up to go the you-know-what?
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@rxy: Yes, still saving. But meanwhile if there's another nice, sort of low-end alternative to my Ordnance that has more body and the same speed to it, why not?

The files are as you have them originally. When I had them they were separate files. I just ran the separate files through foobar to make them all one file for use on my Clip+ because I wanted gapless playback for the tracks, which I normally have on foobar.
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QUOTE(ArianneG @ Oct 8 2010, 01:14 PM)
@rxy: Yes, still saving. But meanwhile if there's another nice, sort of low-end alternative to my Ordnance that has more body and the same speed to it, why not?

The files are as you have them originally. When I had them they were separate files. I just ran the separate files through foobar to make them all one file for use on my Clip+ because I wanted gapless playback for the tracks, which I normally have on foobar.
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hmm,well,i also not sure..
i just save until i get it..
yea,but i wanted to know how to separate them using foobar..
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QUOTE(rxy @ Oct 8 2010, 08:52 AM)
@ArianneG:How did you separate them?
By converting?
Or any cue sheet cutter??
I thought you will save up to go the you-know-what?
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Well, you can use foobar to cut the songs from the cue sheet, did it and tried it and it works. nod.gif basically, put the cue sheet into the playlist and click on the song you want to seperate and pretty much convert it. wink.gif The converted file would only involve part of the song that you cut from the cue sheet. nod.gif

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QUOTE(Farenhei147 @ Oct 8 2010, 02:38 PM)
Well, you can use foobar to cut the songs from the cue sheet, did it and tried it and it works. nod.gif basically, put the cue sheet into the playlist and click on the song you want to seperate and pretty much convert it. wink.gif The converted file would only involve part of the song that you cut from the cue sheet. nod.gif
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So basically I am going to use the convert function right?
Anyway,regarding this dac,any more comments about it?
My friend is interested too..
If don't play fast layering songs,is this dac ok?
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QUOTE(rxy @ Oct 8 2010, 02:42 PM)
So basically I am going to use the convert function right?
Anyway,regarding this dac,any more comments about it?
My friend is interested too..
If don't play fast layering songs,is this dac ok?
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Well pretty much you will be using the convert button, that's what I did for a bundled few of my songs. Unless my big bro or arianne can give a different method. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(rxy @ Oct 8 2010, 02:42 PM)
So basically I am going to use the convert function right?
Anyway,regarding this dac,any more comments about it?
My friend is interested too..
If don't play fast layering songs,is this dac ok?
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im on ck10.
if you havent heard it, then you dont know how fast iem can go. i dare say nothing beats it in speed.
so.. if u are on anything less than top tier, <rm1.5k headphone or <rm1k iems...
chances are.. you wont notice the difference, or maybe you wont even know there is a difference.
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For my rig do you think I can hear any difference compared to onboard?

I've always been using Creative Elite Pro. Does this DAC come close to it at all?
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QUOTE(C-Note @ Oct 8 2010, 04:43 PM)
For my rig do you think I can hear any difference compared to onboard?

I've always been using Creative Elite Pro. Does this DAC come close to it at all?
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QUOTE(rxy @ Oct 8 2010, 02:18 PM)
hmm,well,i also not sure..
i just save until i get it..
yea,but i wanted to know how to separate them using foobar..
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besides converting, u can use some software to separate the tracks as well. such as CUETools. basically it just cuts the thing without converting it. smile.gif
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 8 2010, 04:49 PM)
maybe you should try it yourself and give feedback?
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Where can I audition it? I'm contemplating between this or Ordnance1 or Go-Vibe.

Does Jaben have Go-vibe DAC only?
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QUOTE(C-Note @ Oct 8 2010, 04:43 PM)
For my rig do you think I can hear any difference compared to onboard?

I've always been using Creative Elite Pro. Does this DAC come close to it at all?
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cant say much regarding the USB DAC cuz i havent tried it yet ... waiting for my friend to get his first tongue.gif, but i dont like the sound of the elite pro. used to own one but ended up trading for a xfi FPS and traded again for a VIA based soundcard.

but when come to think of it, the BB DAC chip used on this product should be better than the elite pro's cirrus logic DACs.. the only problem is prolly the simple interface where you cant do much with the mini USB and also there's no amp on it... need to get one if wanna drive heavy headphones
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Oct 8 2010, 05:58 PM)
besides converting, u can use some software to separate the tracks as well. such as CUETools. basically it just cuts the thing without converting it. smile.gif
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*shockku* additional information for me, at least now I know I can use something else to cut the file. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(C-Note @ Oct 8 2010, 08:15 PM)
Where can I audition it? I'm contemplating between this or Ordnance1 or Go-Vibe.

Does Jaben have Go-vibe DAC only?
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MiniDAC last time 'some of us' has listened to it. It is not good/not up to us to comment on it biggrin.gif
Ordnance DAC-1 we have sold out, but the go-vibes DAC I can assure you it is damn good... rclxms.gif
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But after I use the cuetools,the bit rate doesn't seem to be the same.==
ordnance dac-1 so fast sold out?
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Maybe you need to check your settings. Ordnance is a popular choice for low-end portable, I noticed. I want to try the Go-Vibes DAC though.
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QUOTE(rxy @ Oct 9 2010, 12:05 AM)
But after I use the cuetools,the bit rate doesn't seem to be the same.==
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really? aisey... didnt notice that... sorry about that... sweat.gif then i guess convert would be the best option then... sweat.gif
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@arianneG

Hope u can audition the govibe AND this DAC and write a review here biggrin.gif
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for the record, PCM270x DACs (PCM2702, PCM2707, PCM2704) can be considered the most basic form of DAC designs available (EDIT: ala cmoy of the DAC category) and they all belong to the same family.

Performance wise they should all be the same. As a hokkien would say, LPPL.

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Oct 9 2010, 01:52 PM)
for the record, PCM270x DACs (PCM2702, PCM2707, PCM2704) can be considered the most basic form of DAC designs available (EDIT: ala cmoy of the DAC category) and they all belong to the same family.

Performance wise they should all be the same. As a hokkien would say, LPPL.
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Technically all onboard DAC should be using the same DAC chip? Then there's no point getting this?
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QUOTE(C-Note @ Oct 9 2010, 04:57 PM)
Technically all onboard DAC should be using the same DAC chip? Then there's no point getting this?
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on board DAC uses Realtek/OEM based DACs, which is not as good as the PCM270xs


PCM270x is the sort of entry level DACs you get at a decent price, that sounds much better than computer on board DACs.


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QUOTE(C-Note @ Oct 9 2010, 04:57 PM)
Technically all onboard DAC should be using the same DAC chip? Then there's no point getting this?
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All sound card should has DAC. This is a basic portable DAC, if want to try an external DAC, this is a good choice.
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aiyah..
ape susah2..
i know u really interested..
beli aje lah.. xD
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 9 2010, 05:53 PM)
aiyah..
ape susah2..
i know u really interested..
beli aje lah.. xD
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laugh.gif Yep, the PCM270x is a god sent to many beginners looking for an entry level external DAC that sounds decent. This is one of the few things that you get below RM100 and if it's any more than that becomes impractical.


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Pretty much will use it and compare with GoVibe DAC. xD
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Is Go-vibe DAC same price as Ordnance? Which 1 better?

Really tempted to get this mini..but no box to contain it..sure collect dust overtime
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Go-Vibe and Ordnance about the same price, yes. Sounds somewhat similar too, according to yuheng. Just go test it out: or maybe bro Fahrenheit can tell us more.
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i was considering an asus xonar stx until i saw this little thing. does anyone know how does this compare with an stx? i'm guessing that stx win by miles but i just buy this one for my portable and current use. planning to pair it with an ad700 in the near future.

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If AD700 is hard to drive, you will need an amp... This thing doesn't have much power to drive cans, if you look at the reviews.
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i think it should be able to work well with the AD700 without an amp. the AD series from audio technica is easy to drive. im using an AD500 myself. anyway, will let u guys know how will it work my AD500 as soon as i got the item. smile.gif


Added on October 18, 2010, 3:23 pmFinally got the item. biggrin.gif doesnt have any problems driving my AD500. in fact it sounds a lot louder now. 10% volume with the DAC is equivalent to 20% without DAC. Comfortable listening volume is anywhere between 4 to 16% volume. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Fable @ Oct 13 2010, 01:02 AM)
i was considering an asus xonar stx until i saw this little thing. does anyone know how does this compare with an stx? i'm guessing that stx win by miles but i just buy this one for my portable and current use. planning to pair it with an ad700 in the near future.
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bro, i will get this DAC by next week and i will do comparison with my Asus Xonar Essence STX...

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I am getting this DAC after my purchase of an amp soon. Hope it's as good as what you people say. biggrin.gif But then again, at the price the seller is selling, it's a steal.
I have a friend who's into electronics, and I'll bet that he will be buying this thing as well, purely for research purposes. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(riddy @ Oct 5 2010, 09:29 AM)
huhuhu..already poison with it..


Added on October 5, 2010, 10:50 amif compare with Creative X-Fi go (RM180)...which 1 better?..
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Review saying this thing better than asus xonar U2, xonar U2 better than Creative X-Fi go. What do you think?
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QUOTE(xEDynamics @ Oct 21 2010, 10:18 PM)
bro, i will get this DAC by next week and i will do comparison with my Asus Xonar Essence STX...
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General comparison between this DAC and GoVibe DAC:

GoVibe: Fast, accurate, warm and smooth, without much alteration to original sound quality.

PCM2704: Slower, accurate, significant body, slow and muddy on fast songs.

Overall, the PCM lacks the speed but makes up a lot with the body which is good for instrumental as well as slow songs. The body somehow will make it sounds really full and better than GoVibe.

But, the speed on GoVibe makes it better for fast rock and metallic sound.

Summary:

PCM2704 - For slow song with instruments, but overall within my acceptable limit of slowness.

GoVibe - Fast pace song and more suitable for a lot of genre.
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update...
without comparing..
i did not find it slow.
in fact quite good.

i would think burnin have some effects to improve the speed.. xD
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Just curious. I'm not familiar with audiophile lingo as of yet, but does slow means that the music can become cluttered, with little separation between sounds in the music, as the music gets more complex with more sound and faster tempo?
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Oct 23 2010, 08:35 PM)
Just curious. I'm not familiar with audiophile lingo as of yet, but does slow means that the music can become cluttered, with little separation between sounds in the music, as the music gets more complex with more sound and faster tempo?
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Oct 23 2010, 08:35 PM)
Just curious. I'm not familiar with audiophile lingo as of yet, but does slow means that the music can become cluttered, with little separation between sounds in the music, as the music gets more complex with more sound and faster tempo?
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im not using audiophile lingo.
im just using a verb.

and u pretty much got the idea already.
it's just that the DAC is very detailed, that the limiitation becomes obvious. by comparison to normal soundcard, speed is about the same.
burnin also cures the problem, so it's probably the capacitors are new, so takes time to saturate and works.

again, as i mentioned earlier so many times..
I AM JUST BEING PICKY... since my benchmark for DAC is the lavry DA-11, which cost 60 times more expensive. tongue.gif
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Owh. I just want to learn how to describe things, to make it easier for me to understand reviews and writing my own. biggrin.gif Most of the time I can't find the right word to describe what I'm hearing.

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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 23 2010, 09:44 PM)
im not using audiophile lingo.
im just using a verb.

and u pretty much got the idea already.
it's just that the DAC is very detailed, that the limiitation becomes obvious. by comparison to normal soundcard, speed is about the same.
burnin also cures the problem, so it's probably the capacitors are new, so takes time to saturate and works.

again, as i mentioned earlier so many times..
I AM JUST BEING PICKY... since my benchmark for DAC is the lavry DA-11, which cost 60 times more expensive. tongue.gif
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No wonder. Just hope that this DAC could drive my subwoofer better then inboard sc which need more bass. nod.gif
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QUOTE(kennethkee93 @ Oct 23 2010, 11:18 PM)
No wonder. Just hope that this DAC could drive my subwoofer better then inboard sc which need more bass.  nod.gif
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this dac delivers very good weight and body on the bass. smile.gif
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QUOTE(kennethkee93 @ Oct 23 2010, 11:18 PM)
No wonder. Just hope that this DAC could drive my subwoofer better then inboard sc which need more bass.  nod.gif
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dun have to worry about the bass, cos this dac managed to improve the bass of my AD500 (the AD series is known for the excellent mids and soundstage, at the expense of sacrifing the bass). brows.gif im not sure what audiophile term should i use to describe it, but it just sounds better, more pronounced, giving u the feel of the bass that u're looking for in a song, without being too punchy or causing distortions. hope im saying it right... sweat.gif but in my opinion, the way it improves the lower spectrum feels somehow more suitable for slow songs such as ballads, slow rock, certain types of jazz. probably not best for techno and trance. but i might be wrong, im really a noob here... do forgive me if im wrong... notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Oct 23 2010, 11:48 PM)
dun have to worry about the bass, cos this dac managed to improve the bass of my AD500 (the AD series is known for the excellent mids and soundstage, at the expense of sacrifing the bass). brows.gif im not sure what audiophile term should i use to describe it, but it just sounds better, more pronounced, giving u the feel of the bass that u're looking for in a song, without being too punchy or causing distortions. hope im saying it right... sweat.gif but in my opinion, the way it improves the lower spectrum feels somehow more suitable for slow songs such as ballads, slow rock, certain types of jazz. probably not best for techno and trance. but i might be wrong, im really a noob here... do forgive me if im wrong... notworthy.gif
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i already said it, 2 things.
body and weight.
body is the fullness of the sound. it defines the size of the sound, not how loud the sound is. loudness and volume are totally different than body.
weight will be more to the feel of the sound when you hear it.. it feels and heard as heavy. light sound will feel and heard as light. when you hear heavy object fall to the ground, and light object fall to the groud, there will be difference in sound. the heavy ones will sound weightier.
both can be presented even on a very low volume.

the problem with body is, usually having more body and weight will reduce the speed of the sound.
a similar reference will be momentum. large and heavy object takes time to stop moving.
here, the sound takes time to dissapear. hence, slow.
what happens, is the decay will overlap with the next sound, causing distortion. this can be heard as muffled or sounds that are louder.

this is usually a tradeoff on cheap dacs that needs to be accepted. how they works?

if u want deep soundstage, you need to sacrifice depth, sounds feel compressed.
if u want wide soundstage, you need to stretch the sound width, sounds became unclear and smeared.
if u want separation, you need to thin out the sound, so that the separation is more obvious.
if u want speed, you need to sacrifice the sound body.

a very good DAC can do both weight and speed, body and separation, width and depth, without distorting the original sound. it has better control..
most dac usually does width and separation, therefore, smearing the sound, and thin it back. but you lose body and weight. speed naturally comes in with loss of body and weight.
this dac does the total opposite, improve body and separation, but losing the speed.

however, a good sound body is more pleasing and natural compared to thin sounding. if not playing fast tracks (techno, trance) this dac is superior in every way. on electronica, some of them are not so fast, a good body will be better. classical needs a balance of both, so preference is here.

also keep in mind, most mp3 already chopped down a 1411kbps cd audio to a 128-320kbps, you already lost at least 1/5th of the details, or in other words, smeared the details out.
thats why i said, most people wont notice. tongue.gif



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notworthy.gif As expected from a pro! Thanks for the thorough explanation! biggrin.gif
there sure are a lot of things that i still need to learn from the audiophile world... sweat.gif umm, would u mind commenting on the mids and the highs with this DAC? is it improved as much as the lower frequencies? cos i find that they're somewhat muffled... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Oct 23 2010, 11:48 PM)
dun have to worry about the bass, cos this dac managed to improve the bass of my AD500 (the AD series is known for the excellent mids and soundstage, at the expense of sacrifing the bass). brows.gif im not sure what audiophile term should i use to describe it, but it just sounds better, more pronounced, giving u the feel of the bass that u're looking for in a song, without being too punchy or causing distortions. hope im saying it right... sweat.gif but in my opinion, the way it improves the lower spectrum feels somehow more suitable for slow songs such as ballads, slow rock, certain types of jazz. probably not best for techno and trance. but i might be wrong, im really a noob here... do forgive me if im wrong... notworthy.gif
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I'm into slow song, something like musical and ballad genre and sometimes pop. Hope that my bass could show its performance better with this DAC. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 24 2010, 12:31 AM)
i already said it, 2 things.
body and weight.
body is the fullness of the sound. it defines the size of the sound, not how loud the sound is. loudness and volume are totally different than body.
weight will be more to the feel of the sound when you hear it.. it feels and heard as heavy. light sound will feel and heard as light. when you hear heavy object fall to the ground, and light object fall to the groud, there will be difference in sound. the heavy ones will sound weightier.
both can be presented even on a very low volume.

the problem with body is, usually having more body and weight will reduce the speed of the sound.
a similar reference will be momentum. large and heavy object takes time to stop moving.
here, the sound takes time to dissapear. hence, slow.
what happens, is the decay will overlap with the next sound, causing distortion. this can be heard as muffled or sounds that are louder.

this is usually a tradeoff on cheap dacs that needs to be accepted. how they works?

if u want deep soundstage, you need to sacrifice depth, sounds feel compressed.
if u want wide soundstage, you need to stretch the sound width, sounds became unclear and smeared.
if u want separation, you need to thin out the sound, so that the separation is more obvious.
if u want speed, you need to sacrifice the sound body.

a very good DAC can do both weight and speed, body and separation, width and depth, without distorting the original sound. it has better control..
most dac usually does width and separation, therefore, smearing the sound, and thin it back. but you lose body and weight. speed naturally comes in with loss of body and weight.
this dac does the total opposite, improve body and separation, but losing the speed.


however, a good sound body is more pleasing and natural compared to thin sounding. if not playing fast tracks (techno, trance) this dac is superior in every way. on electronica, some of them are not so fast, a good body will be better. classical needs a balance of both, so preference is here.

also keep in mind, most mp3 already chopped down a 1411kbps cd audio to a 128-320kbps, you already lost at least 1/5th of the details, or in other words, smeared the details out.
thats why i said, most people wont notice. tongue.gif

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lol, abit confusing since I'm new to these things. I don't really understand the bolded part. Mind to explain in much simple phrase? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(frususx @ Oct 23 2010, 10:56 PM)
any one use PCM2704 to drive Aego M?
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i'm using it for my Aego M.
The SQ is better & more bass.
This is my 1st DAC,i can't compare with others.
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QUOTE(supertar @ Oct 25 2010, 08:17 AM)
i'm using it for my Aego M.
The SQ is better & more bass.
This is my 1st DAC,i can't compare with others.
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woooot~~~~ stock arrived~~~~ waiting for mine~~~^^
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can use eclipse aluminium as case for this?is there gonna be static charges tat effect the dac?
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QUOTE(frususx @ Oct 25 2010, 11:15 AM)
Thanks,will get 1 for my Aego M
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That one is much better imho.
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QUOTE(Fable @ Oct 22 2010, 12:34 AM)
looking forward to it bro smile.gif .
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bro, my friend receive the DAC today, it sound really good compare to onboard, and i did compare it with my xonar essence stx....what i can say is look on the price itself know which will sound better...

this DAC better for laptop user...for desktop, can go for asus xonar dx for budget....
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wat u expect? rm90 dac can compare with expensive models?
there are a lot of things that are expensive for a reason.
of course, some namebrands are simply expensive for the name.
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I think this DAC is a good start if anyone who are contemplating about getting a DAC for their lappy or PC before investing serious money into the 'final' upgrade.
I took a similar journey too awhile back.. now I am happy with my current DAC investment and don't see any upgrades for a long time! wink.gif
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Oct 29 2010, 09:51 PM)
I think this DAC is a good start if anyone who are contemplating about getting a DAC for their lappy or PC before investing serious money into the 'final' upgrade.
I took a similar journey too awhile back.. now I am happy with my current DAC investment and don't see any upgrades for a long time! wink.gif
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Agree. In case you upgrade, i would like to 'absorb' you unwanted DAC smile.gif
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Too late wui, my junior is always the default recipient wink.gif

Honestly playing high quality wav files thru the DAC is awesome! rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Oct 29 2010, 09:14 PM)
wat u expect? rm90 dac can compare with expensive models?
there are a lot of things that are expensive for a reason.
of course, some namebrands are simply expensive for the name.
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i know...but i just help Fable le...b4 this he asked how this DAC compare to STX ??? so i help him compare lor...STX is not expensive coz it name...it really the best sound card i've heard!!!

but for starter..this DAC is great if want to start with....it really pwn Asus Xonar U1 !!!!
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do share with us if u guys have found a compatible casing for this dac~~~ ^^
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QUOTE(gengkey01 @ Oct 30 2010, 08:40 PM)
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wow nice!! brows.gif

did u screw it???
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QUOTE(gengkey01 @ Oct 30 2010, 08:40 PM)
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Holy crap!
Nice disguise! laugh.gif
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My Own Version of Casing. rclxms.gif

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Haven't tried listening to it yet, whether the casing would change anything in the first place. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Farenhei147 @ Nov 1 2010, 09:30 PM)
My Own Version of Casing. rclxms.gif

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Haven't tried listening to it yet, whether the casing would change anything in the first place. laugh.gif
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wow... what case is that?? or u totally custom made it?? it look awesome.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(chaics85 @ Nov 1 2010, 10:54 PM)
wow... what case is that?? or u totally custom made it?? it look awesome..  thumbup.gif
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Hint: Mentos rclxms.gif

Well, pretty much need to cut here and there and making it more shorter + making the hole for USB and the audio jack is a pain when you only have a knife and not a proper tool... Pretty much, good thing my experience with hobby kits helps quite a bit in making it. dry.gif So, just get the candy and play around with a knife. laugh.gif
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I'm quite happy with the fact that there are owners here that are willing to case it up themselves.

laugh.gif Good for all of you.

A hobby means nothing if you do not get your hands dirty.

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Nov 1 2010, 11:03 PM)
I'm quite happy with the fact that there are owners here that are willing to case it up themselves.

laugh.gif Good for all of you.

A hobby means nothing if you do not get your hands dirty.
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Agreed rclxms.gif Though, I really do wish I have a better tool to do the job... laugh.gif it is still a mess, well I can make more of it in the future.
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QUOTE(zenhai88 @ Nov 3 2010, 12:07 AM)
support 5.1 ?
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how does it compare to govibes usb dac.? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(victor2212 @ Nov 3 2010, 05:55 PM)
how does it compare to govibes usb dac.?  hmm.gif
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one word to say,it sound very clean compare to onboard soundcard smile.gif
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got it this morning, great replacement for built in or add on sound card, with reasonable pricing for sure. very clear bass and mid range output.
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this is mine... not a casing though... kinda like those caps around.. so just build a layer of protection for it.. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(capiche @ Nov 7 2010, 09:41 AM)
this is mine... not a casing though... kinda like those caps around.. so just build a layer of protection for it.. biggrin.gif

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OH my, this is look very nice! drool.gif You cut it yourself?
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QUOTE(capiche @ Nov 7 2010, 09:41 AM)
this is mine... not a casing though... kinda like those caps around.. so just build a layer of protection for it.. biggrin.gif
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wow, this is really nice! rclxms.gif
where you get those material? brows.gif
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chchyong89 & saturn85

yea.. i saw it myself then smoothen the edges out with a metal flier and sandpaper.. the acrylic i bought from a forum member here and the copper spacer from a local electronic shop.. 10mm height will do smile.gif
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QUOTE(capiche @ Nov 7 2010, 10:35 PM)
chchyong89 &  saturn85

yea.. i saw it myself  then smoothen the edges out with a metal flier and sandpaper.. the acrylic i bought from a forum member here and the copper spacer from a local electronic shop.. 10mm height will do smile.gif
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Wah, I am looking for this solution for some of my bare board. Great job over there.
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hi, how about using at desktop, it is suitable???
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hi, how about using at desktop, it is suitable???
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all you has nice idea for its casing lol
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Wow...very nice housing for the DAC..
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Just got my pcm2704 from chchyong89, I would say this little DAC really shine for its price. I bet you can get anything closer with the price of below RM100.

Basically, the sound is much much cleaner and detailed compared to onboard soundcard. I never test it with my DDM, but my aged sony MDR-EX85 is enough to tell the difference. Vocal is clean with fuller body though sometime might sound a bit dry. (Maybe used to my prodigy HD2)

Staging is okay, bass is deep but roll off slightly too early for my taste. Overall this card really good for replacing onboard soundcard, or even some entry level Cxxxxx soundcard. Excel in vocal and jazz. smile.gif
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QUOTE(boomber @ Nov 24 2010, 04:48 PM)
Just got my pcm2704 from chchyong89, I would say this little DAC really shine for its price. I bet you can get anything closer with the price of below RM100.

Basically, the sound is much much cleaner and detailed compared to onboard soundcard. I never test it with my DDM, but my aged sony MDR-EX85 is enough to tell the difference. Vocal is clean with fuller body though sometime might sound a bit dry. (Maybe used to my prodigy HD2)

Staging is okay, bass is deep but roll off slightly too early for my taste. Overall this card really good for replacing onboard soundcard, or even some entry level Cxxxxx soundcard. Excel in vocal and jazz. smile.gif
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This is because it's unamped, get a cheap fiio will make it shine even more.
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Ah crap, I am absolutely dry at the moment. I'd have to wait till December. The seller PM'ed me about the arrival, but I was devastated that I am actually very frickin' dry on cash at the moment. Living off my parents now. laugh.gif

Hope the seller can re-stock by December. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Nov 24 2010, 05:57 PM)
This is because it's unamped, get a cheap fiio will make it shine even more.
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Yeah, will try it out and see how's the improvement. So far its good, i will say its really good, for the price it takes.
This little SC really synergy well with my Sony MDR-EX85, makes my earphone come to live again. The mid is slightly recessed with my sony before this, with the curve towards slight rock,, now its quite neutral.

I am enjoying music from this just as much as i enjoy the music from my HD2.. no joke. thumbup.gif
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I think I'll amp this thing with a Voyager, see how that goes. biggrin.gif
When I get both of them that is.
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Tested this USB with Fireye I amp, surprisingly good and out of my expectation. I am using FA-003 headphone for testing, vocal is full of emotion, wet and details, bass adequate.

Anyhow, this DAC not so good with fast tempo type of music, for jazz and acoustic its good..
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Anyone tried modding it?

Change the caps to Pana FM or Rubycon caps?
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QUOTE(boomber @ Nov 24 2010, 11:11 PM)
Tested this USB with Fireye I amp, surprisingly good and out of my expectation. I am using FA-003 headphone for testing, vocal is full of emotion, wet and details, bass adequate.

Anyhow, this DAC not so good with fast tempo type of music, for jazz and acoustic its good..
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Emm looks like the dac not fast enough, but wet is good. I am getting this as second hand from forumer here, should reach today hehe.
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It's when I pair it with Fireye amp, but not bad when use it alone. Seriously its not that slow and it won't be notice normally. I only can sense it when I use it with my ddm where it might smear the detail a bit, not serious though.
For the price, very acceptable and since its a mini card, the signature of burr brown is quite clear, good for those that wish to try it.
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QUOTE(boomber @ Nov 25 2010, 10:56 AM)
It's when I pair it with Fireye amp, but not bad when use it alone. Seriously its not that slow and it won't be notice normally. I only can sense it when I use it with my ddm where it might smear the detail a bit, not serious though.
For the price, very acceptable and since its a mini card, the signature of burr brown is quite clear, good for those that wish to try it.
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People who didn't amp this little stuff please do not complain, I am now using this with only Fiio E3 and px100, and its already a very good combination.
Yes i upgraded from Asus Xonar U1 as well, but now only complain will be the user friendliness. I have to go to foobar to adjust volume, the asus does has it's own volume control.

Generally, sound more naturally, most importantly bass now is very clear and not overkill. Most computer sound card has the issue of giving fake bass to thump the gamer, and all this is killing the music. This card is dedicated for music, and the sound stage is also more comfortable that you could enjoy listening without feeling music drowning on you.





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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Nov 25 2010, 12:04 PM)
People who didn't amp this little stuff please do not complain, I am now using this with only Fiio E3 and px100, and its already a very good combination.
Yes i upgraded from Asus Xonar U1 as well, but now only complain will be the user friendliness. I have to go to foobar to adjust volume, the asus does has it's own volume control.

Generally, sound more naturally, most importantly bass now is very clear and not overkill. Most computer sound card has the issue of giving fake bass to thump the gamer, and all this is killing the music. This card is dedicated for music, and the sound stage is also more comfortable that you could enjoy listening without feeling music drowning on you.
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If possible, don't reduce the volume from the windows, let it be max( 0dB) and
control the volume over your amplifier. The volume control in windows is software
based, every 6dB of decrement will make you lost 1bit of resolutions. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Nov 25 2010, 12:43 PM)
If possible, don't reduce the volume from the windows, let it be max( 0dB) and
control the volume over your amplifier. The volume control in windows is software
based, every 6dB of decrement will make you lost 1bit of resolutions.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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WARNING: Other sound effect other than the foobar will be very loud if you do as following:

For people using foobar, I have a solution for this to get back the lost resolution

Go to preference-> Playback -> ReplayGain->Preamp
Set the both with rg info and without rg info to -20.0db (Left most position)

Then go to your windows volume and set it to max. Now you will control the volume through the foobar and not from windows.
Another info is ASIO driver support this DAC very nicely, you get even cleaner sound from ASIO. For ASIO installation please ask uncle google.
Thanks chchyong89 to point this out, now it's there is really fine sound flowing into my ears.

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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Nov 25 2010, 01:53 PM)
WARNING: Other sound effect other than the foobar will be very loud if you do as following:

For people using foobar, I have a solution for this to get back the lost resolution

Go to preference-> Playback -> ReplayGain->Preamp
Set the both with rg info and without rg info to -20.0db (Left most position)

Then go to your windows volume and set it to max. Now you will control the volume through the foobar and not from windows.
Another info is ASIO driver support this DAC very nicely, you get even cleaner sound from ASIO. For ASIO installation please ask uncle google.
Thanks chchyong89 to point this out,  now it's there is really fine sound flowing into my ears.
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it does not matter. You should not control your volume using software attenuation because you'll lose bit resolution no matter what.



The best way is still to use an amplifier and control the volume using that device. As for clipping prevention, all you have to do is to replaygain all your songs (prevent clipping mode) and they'll be fine.



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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Nov 25 2010, 03:25 PM)
it does not matter. You should not control your volume using software attenuation because you'll lose bit resolution no matter what.
The best way is still to use an amplifier and control the volume using that device. As for clipping prevention, all you have to do is to replaygain all your songs (prevent clipping mode) and they'll be fine.
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I tried out the software attenuation through foobar and ASIO is way better than the master volume. My assumption is that ASIO might have solve this issue because ASIO could bypass windows audio driver and interact directly with the DAC.
This is still a better solution who has no other option. That's why I put my experiment result and not just theory. Please try this and let me know the result.

You shouold change your widnows sound scheme to "no sounds" so you wont get surprises sound effect other than nice music.

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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Nov 25 2010, 01:53 PM)
WARNING: Other sound effect other than the foobar will be very loud if you do as following:

For people using foobar, I have a solution for this to get back the lost resolution

Go to preference-> Playback -> ReplayGain->Preamp
Set the both with rg info and without rg info to -20.0db (Left most position)

Then go to your windows volume and set it to max. Now you will control the volume through the foobar and not from windows.
Another info is ASIO driver support this DAC very nicely, you get even cleaner sound from ASIO. For ASIO installation please ask uncle google.
Thanks chchyong89 to point this out,  now it's there is really fine sound flowing into my ears.
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Nov 25 2010, 03:25 PM)
it does not matter. You should not control your volume using software attenuation because you'll lose bit resolution no matter what.
The best way is still to use an amplifier and control the volume using that device. As for clipping prevention, all you have to do is to replaygain all your songs (prevent clipping mode) and they'll be fine.
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so this is the best way for people who don't own an amp? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Nov 25 2010, 04:45 PM)
so this is the best way for people who don't own an amp? unsure.gif
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Just try it yourself if you can hear difference, if got improvement then you shall live with it for a while. If you hear no difference then can always use back the master volume.

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So with an amp, what would be the best?
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Just try it yourself if you can hear difference,  if got improvement then you shall live with it for a while. If you hear no difference then can always use back the master volume.
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Nov 25 2010, 05:06 PM)
So with an amp, what would be the best?
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all volume to max

replaygain your songs to prevent clipping


use the amp to control your output.


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Just curious, is burr brown DAC features "detail and clean" presentation? I am not used to the sound signature with burr brown chip but I can sense that AKM4396 in prodigy HD2 is smoother but not as detail as this USB DAC (BB chip)

How should I say, when I listen through this USB DAC, I will focus on details presented but I never do that on Prodigy HD2. For me it's kinda analytical while HD2 really present the song with emotion.

I know it's kinda unfair to compare it with HD2, just curious whether it's the sound signature of BB chip. I listened to my friend's STX, also very very detail and impressive, but cold sounding.

Any pro can enlighten me on this?
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I prefer not to use ReplayGain at all, since I consider it altering the original sound.
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I prefer not to use ReplayGain at all, since I consider it altering the original sound.
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it does not.

It only normalize the internal gain.

In fact, sometimes if you don't use it, the clipping will ruin your original signal.



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QUOTE(boomber @ Nov 26 2010, 12:38 AM)
Just curious, is burr brown DAC features "detail and clean" presentation? I am not used to the sound signature with burr brown chip but I can sense that AKM4396 in prodigy HD2 is smoother but not as detail as this USB DAC (BB chip)

How should I say, when I listen through this USB DAC, I will focus on details presented but I never do that on Prodigy HD2. For me it's kinda analytical while HD2 really present the song with emotion.

I know it's kinda unfair to compare it with HD2, just curious whether it's the sound signature of BB chip. I listened to my friend's STX, also very very detail and impressive, but cold sounding.

Any pro can enlighten me on this?
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I have pcm1793 which is burr brown chip as well, what I can say when compare to this pcm2704, their sound signature is similar but the higher end pcm1793 is very very detail and when resolving 24bit then you start thinking about analog vs digital sound.
pcm2704 has good detail, very neutral but still sound digital (cold) to me.

Yes it takes me lot of time to get used to this sound signature, but once you brain accept it, you will start enjoying all the music with emotion.
When testing dac, must allow time for yourself to get use to the new sound, if after few days you still don like it then you need another dac. Don just listen to few songs and decide which is better.
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very good sound from my supremefx x-fi, more clear and bass is very good too.
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Wow so fast let go adi? Why not happy with this DAC huh?
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i installed asio4allv2 on my xp pc but it does not show up under playback out.whts wrong?
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QUOTE(zombie24 @ Nov 28 2010, 05:16 AM)
i installed asio4allv2 on my xp pc but it does not show up under playback out.whts wrong?
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You have to install the foobar component for foobar and then configure the asio driver under the preference then it will appear.

THe DAC is very good, but some Cons here that is it lose resolution when the volume is decreased. I have build a attenuation box and it works perfectly now, will share the picture later.


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I wonder, if the iPod cable is connected to it will it work?


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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Nov 28 2010, 09:59 AM)
You have to install the foobar component for foobar and then configure the asio driver under the preference then it will appear.

THe DAC is very good, but some Cons here that is it lose resolution when the volume is decreased. I have build a attenuation box and it works perfectly now, will share the picture later.
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yeah the level was not that happein before i installed the asio4all with my C3 edifier.now its THE BOMB.clear as SHIT.the low end on my subs r kicking clean.
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hi, may i ask what is asio4all and foobar is? thanks~ smile.gif
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QUOTE(rifasha @ Nov 29 2010, 09:42 PM)
hi, may i ask what is asio4all and foobar is? thanks~ smile.gif
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not sure bout asio but foobar is a music player for your computer

since windows media player sux, foobar is available to save you from low qualities of music
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Asio is a type of owl......Just kidding! laugh.gif (Actually, no I'm not)

Anyways, it is a protocol between a software application and the sound card. Short for Audio Stream Input-Output. Duno the technicalities behind it, that's all I can remember of it.
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Nov 29 2010, 09:48 PM)
Asio is a type of owl......Just kidding!  laugh.gif  (Actually, no I'm not)

Anyways, it is a protocol between a software application and the sound card. Short for Audio Stream Input-Output. Duno the technicalities behind it, that's all I can remember of it.
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so it's like an artificial soundcard driver?
something like SRS Audio Sandbox?
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i see. i tried to google it but it doesnt really helpful. its like enhancement software or just a music player? biggrin.gif
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Not really I think.
You can look it up with Google or Wikipedia. I'm too lazy to look it up again.
It's a low-latency and a high-fidelity way of getting the software application(like Foobar) to communicate with the sound card(or in this case the DAC). I think I got it right. unsure.gif
It's not in any way enhancing the sound, it just tries to reproduce it through the soundcard/DAC as cleanly as it can with little interruption in between.

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i see. so if i am to install it, i shud install asio4all 1st and the foobar 2nd eh. thanks
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I think you install foobar first and get the Asio4all plugin for it.
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ouh. okay. im waiting for my new DAC and cables odw. then windows 7. then i can install the foobar..hohoo..
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QUOTE(zombie24 @ Nov 29 2010, 08:58 PM)
yeah the level was not that happein before i installed the asio4all with my C3 edifier.now its THE BOMB.clear as SHIT.the low end on my subs r kicking clean.
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Sorry to to hear that, this dac is more suitable when drive with headphone amp and headphone. For C3 may be you need a pre amp before pump it to C3.
I think now I am getting best of it, from all the DIY stuff I use.

PCM2704-> Cable-> Passive Attenuation Box (Volume Control) -> Cable -> Fiio E3 -> SHP2700/PX100.

All volume set to max 100%, no need to touch anything in foobar just install ASIO.

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how to find the pre amp?
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QUOTE(rifasha @ Nov 29 2010, 11:08 PM)
how to find the pre amp?
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Something like this??? smile.gif
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Hehe.. actually can try something like Fiio E3, cheap but need to feed battery. Fiio E5 got rechargeable one.

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Something like this??? smile.gif
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dang. is that yours? wow this 'rabbit hole' is really is deep..but that FiiO will do good to my C3?
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QUOTE(rifasha @ Nov 29 2010, 11:20 PM)
dang. is that yours? wow this 'rabbit hole' is really is deep..but that FiiO will do good to my C3?
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Not mine, just pirate the pic from google. I think it will help a lot, it bring the bass back a lot. Ask around you will know.
I own E3.
E3 around RM30 and E5 around RM80, lot of people selling here or jaben.

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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Nov 29 2010, 11:23 PM)
Not mine, just pirate the pic from google. I think it will help a lot, it bring the bass back a lot. Ask around you will know.
I own E3.
E3 around RM30 and E5 around RM80, lot of people selling here or jaben.
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so mine is like, PCM2704-> Cable-> Fiio E3 -> C3?

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QUOTE(rifasha @ Nov 29 2010, 11:29 PM)
so mine is like, PCM2704-> Cable-> Fiio E3 -> E3?
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E3?again? lol I think you meant C3

but then you got the pcm2704. direct connect to c3 is more than enough
having e3 along the way is bad for your c3 amp.

e3 is an amp already, no need extra amp or not later you'll overworked your amp then poof* XD

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ASIO bypasses the normal audio path from the user application through layers of intermediary Windows operating system software, so that the application connects directly to the sound card hardware. Each layer that is bypassed means a reduction in latency (the delay between an application sending audio information and it being reproduced by the sound card, or input signals from the sound card being available to the application). In this way ASIO offers a relatively simple way of accessing multiple audio inputs and outputs independently. Its main strength lies in its method of bypassing the inherently high latency and poor-quality mixing and sample rate conversion of Windows audio mixing kernels (KMixer), allowing direct, high speed communication with audio hardware. Unlike KMixer, an unmixed ASIO output is "bit identical" or "bit transparent", that is, the bits sent to the sound card are identical to those of the original source, thus having higher audio fidelity.

asio

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QUOTE(power911 @ Nov 30 2010, 12:19 AM)
E3?again? lol I think you meant C3

but then you got the pcm2704. direct connect to c3 is more than enough
having e3 along the way is bad for your c3 amp.

e3 is an amp already, no need extra amp or not later you'll overworked your amp then poof* XD
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I think the amp wont poof... the pcm2704 is really really weak, adding little power by E3 still not as loud as those RCA input.
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QUOTE(power911 @ Nov 30 2010, 12:19 AM)
E3?again? lol I think you meant C3

but then you got the pcm2704. direct connect to c3 is more than enough
having e3 along the way is bad for your c3 amp.

e3 is an amp already, no need extra amp or not later you'll overworked your amp then poof* XD
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i see. thanks a lot for the advice mate. really2 appreciate it. now i'll just wait..fheww.

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Double amplification will only make the scenario even worst. Didn't see much problem if connect your C3 with the USB soundcard since your C3 with built in amplifier unless the amp inside is very low power.

I tried connect it with Aego, the sound is good and only 40% of the volume is needed to sound loud and clear.
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QUOTE(boomber @ Nov 30 2010, 12:52 AM)
Double amplification will only make the scenario even worst. Didn't see much problem if connect your C3 with the USB soundcard since your C3 with built in amplifier unless the amp inside is very low power.

I tried connect it with Aego, the sound is good and only 40% of the volume is needed to sound loud and clear.
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QUOTE(boomber @ Nov 30 2010, 12:52 AM)
Double amplification will only make the scenario even worst. Didn't see much problem if connect your C3 with the USB soundcard since your C3 with built in amplifier unless the amp inside is very low power.

I tried connect it with Aego, the sound is good and only 40% of the volume is needed to sound loud and clear.
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Yup understand what is double amplification, but what option does he had? Aego is way more expensive than C3 and has very good pre amp.
Fiio distortion is not too bad actually.
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ahh..plis dun make me sound that bad. biggrin.gif. i'll test the upgrades when i get them and will tell u about my satisfaction~ smile.gif
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QUOTE(rifasha @ Nov 29 2010, 11:29 PM)
so mine is like, PCM2704-> Cable-> Fiio E3 -> C3?
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skip the E3 if possible, it is just, not really good sweat.gif
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skip the E3 if possible, it is just, not really good sweat.gif
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Nov 30 2010, 01:15 AM)
skip the E3 if possible, it is just, not really good sweat.gif
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Emmm, sorry to everyone here, shouldn't advice this. It has some risk.


Added on November 30, 2010, 2:25 amI am really sorry just now, let me give something constructive instead
I use a eclipse mint case to hold the pcm2704, it does sound differently, sound is more concentrate and cleaner.
But make sure you don let the board contact with the case directly.
Use those threaded standoffs to mount the board.

Yes you need some tool to drill the metal case.

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just recieved it today..what can i say this dac has more controlled than onboard soundcard..the sound become more clear, bass is tight and doesn't have harsh treble like the onboard sc. biggrin.gif

one thing i'm not sure, when I connect my speaker directly to onboard sc, the sound is more louder compare when i connect with the dac..is it normal? is this call analogue signal? haha~

i'm using foobar2k(asio) > DAC > Mx5021.
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QUOTE(vivakarna @ Dec 29 2010, 02:24 AM)
just recieved it today..what can i say this dac has more controlled than onboard soundcard..the sound become more clear, bass is tight and doesn't have harsh treble like the onboard sc. biggrin.gif

one thing i'm not sure, when I connect my speaker directly to onboard sc, the sound is more louder compare when i connect with the dac..is it normal? is this call analogue signal? haha~

i'm using foobar2k(asio) > DAC > Mx5021.
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They probabaly need more power as the DAC doesn't have an amp in it.
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Dec 29 2010, 07:33 AM)
They probabaly need more power as the DAC doesn't have an amp in it.
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The output Vpp of this PCM2704 maybe lower compare with onboard DAC.
Don't worry about it, you don't need so high of it blush.gif
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hmmm..how if i want to use this dac with my headphone, but the sound
not so loud. do we need amp? which amp we need?
amp on ur last siggy? hehe
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Yes, any amp will do, as long as it has the appropriate interconnects.
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So can I have better explanation on this PCM2704 vs X-FI ( CS4382 )?


Added on November 23, 2011, 12:39 pmDoest it advisable to skip this and get E7/E10 instead?

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Added on July 3, 2012, 5:23 pmStill Available ?

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Added on July 3, 2012, 5:23 pmStill Available ?
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Hi guys. Im very new in the audiophile world and I just acquired a superlux 668b. Im quite interested in this DAC and would greatly appreciate it if any members could shed some light on this.

Would it make any improvements if I connect it to my macbook pro > DAC > headphones?
And is it plug and play or do I have to configure it/change any settings in my control panel?

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QUOTE(kaliku @ Apr 28 2013, 03:18 PM)
Hi guys. Im very new in the audiophile world and I just acquired a superlux 668b. Im quite interested in this DAC and would greatly appreciate it if any members could shed some light on this.

Would it make any improvements if I connect it to my macbook pro > DAC > headphones?
And is it plug and play or do I have to configure it/change any settings in my control panel?
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by theory yes you will get improvements.

but whether you can hear it or not that really depends.
as for me I can hear it very clearly especially on the basslines and the clean treble


it's just plug and play so it's simple stuff
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QUOTE(kaliku @ Apr 28 2013, 03:18 PM)
Hi guys. Im very new in the audiophile world and I just acquired a superlux 668b. Im quite interested in this DAC and would greatly appreciate it if any members could shed some light on this.

Would it make any improvements if I connect it to my macbook pro > DAC > headphones?
And is it plug and play or do I have to configure it/change any settings in my control panel?
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also the TS doesnt make this anymore bro check out his new DAC the UD100 RM100++ only very cheap and accroding to everyone has one of the best price to performance value.

Just plug it into your macbook and try to make it your default sound device.

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post Apr 28 2013, 04:46 PM

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Is there a significant difference between this and the UD100? Im on a tight budget atm (student) and was wondering whether to splurge another rm60++ for the UD100. Im not an expert in determining audio quality tho. So I just want to know whether someone like me could distinguish the quality between these two DAC's.
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post Sep 2 2014, 12:35 AM

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Sorry for necro-ing this thread.

But is this the same one as this? http://www.amazon.com/USB-DAC-PCM2704-Opti..._pr_product_top

And the most important thing, does it hiss with IEMs? I'm changing my current Xonar U1 because it hisses too much to the point that it's unbearable
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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Sep 2 2014, 12:35 AM)
Sorry for necro-ing this thread.

But is this the same one as this? http://www.amazon.com/USB-DAC-PCM2704-Opti..._pr_product_top

And the most important thing, does it hiss with IEMs? I'm changing my current Xonar U1 because it hisses too much to the point that it's unbearable
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same main component, may have different implementation. hiss noise is from psu

 

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