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youngman28
post Jan 12 2012, 12:45 PM

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hi,

I am in the early 40, reccently face some dilema on which loan need to setter first on my home loan?

Loan A-
Balance around 190k, mthly instalment RM1600, left 12 years +, currently tenant out for kindergarden purpose, so every month generate rental income of RM1200 to cover the instalment, balance need to top up around RM400.

Loan B-

Existing house stay by me, balance around 30k, monthly instalment RM768, left 3 years+

My question is, in coming Feb/March, i will have some cash to come in result from sold off an old house, but i doesn 't quite clear which one need to setter off first.

Let say i have 70k to clear off the instalment. In my plan 1, i willl pay-off the Loan B(30k), and pay off 40 k for loan A because after all i need not to pay the instalment any more, but the cons is that the bal interest charge was not that much , is around 2-3k, On alternatively, i come out with plan 2, pay back 70k for loan A, and it will reduce the interest drastically, and reduce the tenure as well, but the cons is that i need continue to serve the instalment for loan B.

Plan 1- clear-off loan B, have more COH
Plan 2 -reduce the amount of loan A, less COH, but reduce interest charge in long term.

Need some advise on Personal finance on above matter, which plan i need to use in order to get better return on personal management /investment, especially under current uncertainty economy?

This post has been edited by youngman28: Jan 12 2012, 12:51 PM
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post Jan 12 2012, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 12 2012, 03:26 PM)
Bro - not enough info for each Loan A & Loan B to help analyze leh
1. What type of loan?
Norm? Fully flexi-morgage?

2. Interest rate pa?

3. Other alternatives - your personal level as an investor (eg. bonds / bond funds, general stocks & equity funds, REITs, etc.)
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1-2, Loan A, Pb Home Loan, Int= BLR-2.2, just re-finance last year
Loan B. AIA Fixed Term Home Loan, Int=6.15%

3 , Had been actively in equity market before, had quit couple of year, currently hold nothing on hand. Interest in REIT, had some investment in unit trust ( thro EPF), currently used FD, Unit Trust and GIA as investment tools.
youngman28
post Mar 15 2012, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(yap2001 @ Mar 15 2012, 12:36 PM)

For the food, at least RM30/per day spent for eating. And we always bring my mum eat in restaurant and cost me at least RM40+ for 1 times. Which mean at least RM900 spent in food.

I assume, average RM600 spent in Hyper market for the groceries, I am the junk food "terminator", always looking for some special and expensive junk food to try. Haha. Actually this groceries normally is for 3 pax only. We also include those installment within this category. Example, facial treatment installment, travel package installment etc.

About the else category, this is some unexpected expenses for every months. Like travel to somewhere, balik kampong etc.

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Just some personal opinion sharing here, no "right or wrong", merely individual choices.

If yrs mom or wife can do 1 or 2 home cook/day, the cost for a good home cook meal is arround RM15/day, further more the drink use to be FOC, not like eating in a restaurant, all drink will be chargeble eg, RM3.50 for a orange juice, 4 person will be RM14.00 +ST, A typical person will look at the pricelist for the food, while not realise the small item like drinks. Let assume not all call orange juice, a typical bill for drink for a night out will be around RM10.00. One month can easily save you RM300.00.

A good pratice will be doing own cook on weekday, and have a family gathering like once a week at restaurent, thus the cost will be RM40X4, around RM200/month.

On travel to somewhere else cost/expenses., nowayday with AA, you can get pretty cheap airfare provide you plan ahead 6-9 months, and try not doing on ad-hoc basic, the expenses will make yours wallet light alot especially travel with family member.

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post Apr 10 2012, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 9 2012, 03:05 PM)
b. then have a planned asset allocation to hold, at least in 3 major asset classes: Fixed Income (cash, FD, EPF, Bonds, Bond Funds), Biz Equities (your own biz, normal stocks, normal Equity funds) and Real Estate Equities (Properties, REIT stocks, REIT Equity Funds)
c. calculate your savings and move-able EPF $ and tabulate how much to apportion where (item b above) every quarter or month AND how to execute
ie. allocating $/resources to each asset class is one thing, what about how/when/why are U buying in & how/when/why are U exiting from that investment
simple talk - have some investment methodologies / entry & exit plans for each asset class

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WMK,

Reccently , just go through yrs notes on Asset Allocation, but i have some problem to identify the Investment in Properties, eg, i have 2 house, one for own stay, one for investment. Thus, for own stay not consider a asset.

The one for investment, i pay 10% down patment, , house price 260k, down payment 10%, have own the house for about 8-9 years, currently stil on instalment monthly, but have rent out for kinder garden purpose. (rental Rm1,200/mth) while instalment Rm1,600/mth , balance about 180k, Current market price around 600k.

For the case about, what value shall i use to estimate the value of this properties?. Afterthat i can do my Asset Allocation more precisely.

Btw, may i known what the differrent between Bonds and bond fund?

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post Apr 10 2012, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 10 2012, 05:28 PM)
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BTW, $600K?
Er.. even at 9%pa compounded ($260K *109%^9years), that's like $564,692.25 only.
Just thinking whether $600K is the "max, median or min" market price.

BTW 2 - i tend to be pessimistic when valuing properties i hold, ie. valuing it using the lower end of the spectrum. However, it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do yar tongue.gif I just want to know for sure (well, sure enough lar) that i can get that value easily if i decide to throw the property.

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Well, is a DST FH landed properties endlot with extra land , c/w individual title. It located on boader of KV, thatwise still very cheap 8-9 year ago. RM600k shall be median price.

Btw, you said that "house not generate cash flow" is not consider a Investment Asset, so we shouldn't take it into Asset Allocation?

But, my thought is althrough in short to medium term, i need to fork out some money to top up the different. In long term, once i finish the instalment, the Investment Asset will give me subtantial amount of ROI ( saving and profit due to appreciation)

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post Apr 10 2012, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 10 2012, 07:21 PM)
You're right - traditionally, homes are considered "Assets" coz can appreciate and sell or re-finance to free up cash.

However, like i mentioned,
IF U sell your home U need to buy another right?
Nearly at the same time right - unless U move into one of your investment properties lar, which then becomes your home, not investment assets.
It's a swap of near equivalent value UNLESS one moves to a remote village where housing is 100%+ cheaper tongue.gif

Thus, in my point of view (aiya not bank's finance accounting lar), a home is not an INVESTMENT asset.
Again, i didn't say it is not an asset, i said it's not an investment asset if U look at investment assets as things putting $ into your pocket.

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MK,

Maybe i mis-lead you. I have 2 properties, one is for own stay ( which is fully paid), anothers one is that i mention here. The one for own stay, i not consider it as investment. What i refer is another house which i currently held.

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post May 27 2012, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(hpxieh @ May 27 2012, 02:08 AM)
Question:
Is the planning ok?
Sorry that I am new with this and any opinion will be greatly appreciated
Thank you
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Absolutely right decision, by puttting in flexi-morgate, the interest for yrs hse might cut to haft

Btw, which field you are in, working on second year can get 4.4k pay, it oustanding?
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post Jan 19 2013, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(hader777 @ Jan 18 2013, 05:11 PM)
I will be making around 4k+ month when i start working soon.

Since I will be busy with work I wont have time to think or plan my spending wisely once I started.

I want to ask about 2 most important thing house and car:
Im thinking 1500 for house and 1000 for car. 1500 for living + parent allowance.

1) Buying a house is consiedered liability or investment? Should i quickly get a property once i have the money for downpayment?
The extra money i have should i save in bank for dividends or for property instalment?

2) I want to save money but i also dont want to look poor therefore thinking maybe spend 1000 for vios monthly? Is it wise? Should i settle with proton? Thinking if proton i might want to change car in 5 years the car value depreciate greatly compare to vios.
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Brother,

Buying a first house for fresh graduate is consider a wise choice, since house is consider an asset , and you need some roof for yrs living. Try to get a house that you can affort comfortably to pay the instalment every month. The property market was at the peak at the moment, dun be too rush to get a property, try to walk in to more house launching and familiar with what type of property offer in the market, see the real shown house and etc. When they is an opportunity arise, just grab it.

For fresh graduate, buying a new car cost almost double yrs annual income is not a wise choice, you end up burden with the car instalment and please remember never to take loan > 5 year. For my experinces owning a few local car at the initial age, the experiences told me Proton car althrough buy in cheap, but the resale value also drop like hell after 5 year, the more important aspect like safety features was missing in lower end local car. Another aspect you need to consider is proton car tend to give you bad NVH after 2-3 year ownnership. If you want new and shining car at initial 1-2 years, Proton is yrs choice.

Since you are working on Island, and yrs family in Ipoh, and the distance i can say is not that far away. The better option is to buy a Japanese used car like T , H or N, car age allow 5-6 year, the car price have dropped almost haft the value, the cost between 45-55k, more important is the car depreciation will be lower, low spare part cost, easy to maintenance, less insurance cost, less worry on theive issue and much better car insulation and NVH, even after 10 year of ownership. This range of car used to be equiped with safety feasture like ABS, airbag, VSC, BA etc. For personal matter, owning a Japanese used car , not look poor for me.

Hope this help.
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post Jan 21 2013, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Jan 21 2013, 09:06 AM)
Youngman28,

Buying your first house after graduation is not a wise choice. Bear in mind, the default payment when you works later. It is not an asset, when later you found out the place is not strategic for investments and target growth areas, other than keep paying for a living, you're digging a big holes in your finance. House can be an asset or liabilities, property always focus on location and execution. They have their own advantages and disadvantages for freehold and leasehold. Your property is worthless if there's empty from people accessibility and demands. if you're holding your repayment too long, your interest that you're paying will legally give a bank another property for free, and you're paying two property but legally, you only owned one of it due to the interest payment.
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I am assume that he is buying a house in Penang Island and the house in good location, and advise him to take time to search and experiences what the strategic house he is looking for. The abundance house most like will be in out skirt of the town like Rawang, or far away from Bukit Matajam. etc.
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post Jun 9 2013, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Jun 8 2013, 01:10 PM)
Haur,

These are the common people at last normally will lost everything because "Not knowing what to do", if you want to get something, learn from your mistake but not asking people what to do. It only make you a prey to other people eyes and wish to take your money away from you, your question just like ancient proverbs ; Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day, show him how to catch fish and you feed him for life;. Find your journey, not depend other guide for your journey, it is not a journey.  At the end, money is gone.
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