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db07mufan
post Jan 5 2011, 05:53 AM

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i would sell the car..
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post Apr 19 2012, 11:53 PM

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Been a long follower of this awesome thread, started working 8 months ago.

Not married, living with my parents, while the house is taken care of by my dad, i'm just paying for the bills and any loose payments. Parents said do not require me to give money to them yet as they are still capable of taking care of themself.

No properties, no stocks , only RM8000 in the bank.

Salary :RM6200 nett

Fixed Expenses:
Car: RM650 (2nd hand Persona for 5 years, 4 half years to go)
Study Loan: RM1710 (250k study loan)
Electric Bill : ~RM220
Astro: RM164
Water: RM20 (living in an apartment, water is regulated by the apt )
Streamyx : RM135
Insurance : RM550 (Life Insurance 500k) Medical Card (RM120)
Ipad Installment : RM161 (5 Months to go)
Petrol : RM350 ( to get to my workplace, 100km to and fro)
Toll: RM100

Total ~RM4250


Left RM1950 for food/entertainment/date.

Will be my first month next month paying for the life insurance RM550. Have managed to save at least RM1000 per month before that , now the goal is to try to save RM1000 minimum even after paying the RM550.

Been binging a lot on food , as me and my gf are both food enthusiasts we tend to spend a lot on food, when we go out. Trying to reduce it to a minimum!

Gameplan:
1) Reduce expenses, esp misc expenses like eating out, cutting down the snowflake/chatime/starbucks.
2) Save RM20000 and put it in FD. Once i have that will start thinking of investing.

Should i let my 8k just sit here and accumulate for emergency funds or do you guys have better advice for that small chuck of money.

Trying hard to save at least 30% per month. My study loan is a big killer, but what to do haih!

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post Apr 20 2012, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(kinwing @ Apr 20 2012, 09:24 AM)
Last time I used to have half of your salary but I was still able to save 35% to 40%, i.e. around RM1,300 to RM1,600. So I think you should at least aim to save RM1,500 or above.
Emergency fund means it is for emergency purpose and should be put in the most liquid form of asset, i.e. FD. Since you plan to put RM20,000 in FD, now you will have another RM12,000 to go. Once you set up the RM20k emergency fund, then only you start to think about investment in order to look for higher return.
I agree! Thanks!

Think from beginning of next month, i'll take my pay take RM1500 put it in the emer fund account first thing and then the remaining to another account where all my transactions are.

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 20 2012, 09:47 AM)
Hi db07mufan,
Congrats on your awareness of food/entertainment/dating being a lopsided % amount of your expenses + aiming to create a buffer emergency fund & investing fund by saving 30%+/-.

If i may suggest:
1. Replace / re-prioritize your love for fun food with another objective/hunger, else it may be hard to "break through".
I agree, been spending a lot going to fancy restaurants. Need to frequent coffeeshops more often and cut out on the binge eating. No more exp supper or just pure eating from greed.

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2. Split emergency buffer into staggered / laddered FD + U may want to put some in bond funds.
eg.
I've 1 year's expenses buffered in my emergency fund.
I store about 4 months' average expenses in my mortgage fund (like FD but more flexible tongue.gif) + about 8 months' average expenses in bond funds
coz i don't for see touching more than 4 months' average expenses in a sudden crunch / emergency, thus i have time to liquidate my bond funds AND still make more % via bond funds than my mortgage fund's %.
I know i know, the main focus of emergency funds are for emergencies, not to grow %. I just hate seeing $ lying around in cash and losing greatly to inflation, thus i tweak a bit lor. May not work for U  sweat.gif
Mortgage fund is it like a flexi loan kinda thing? I've read about it but have not understand it fully yet. You put a certain amount of $$ into your loan to reduce your principal, but when u need it you can just take it out.

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IMHO - U've got a good game plan - by managing $ and building up your emergency buffer, before U start investing.
a. The $ put into investments should, IMHO, be conceptually thought as "can't touch this" for several years (at least 3 to 5 years) to AVOID being forced to sell at a bad time. This is where your money management and emergency buffer comes to save the day biggrin.gif

b. Use the time (while building up your buffer) to learn about asset allocation, asset & sub-asset classes, what each asset / sub-asset can do for you, investing methodologies like value investing, dollar and value cost averaging, etc. Plan out a cohesive approach for your own financial goals & style/approach to investing

c. Test, track and tweak your plans & style/approach (b)
Without tracking, you won't know how your actions are "performing", thus won't be able to manage effectively & logically.

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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Thanks, any sugggestion on where i can learn those. Been trying to read up on the stickies in this subforum
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post Apr 20 2012, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(memberiii @ Apr 20 2012, 12:02 PM)
Your objective will be to build up your savings quickly to a certain level.
Keep your expenses at the present level. 
Be frugal in the early years.

Just wondering if your life insurance is worthwhile at this present time.
You are not married and do not have a family of your own.
Do your parents depend on your income? 
Will they be financially ruined if you are not around? 
Life insurance is for protection, certainly you will need this when you have a family of your own.
Insurance is a poor form of investment.
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The insurance I kind of deliberated for a long time before plunging in.

The nature of my job requires me to be in tip top health, and half of my salary comes from how much I work. Meaning to say if I do not work that month I'll lose half of my pay.

The insurance I have pays for the days I'm not working. Let's say for health reason I may not be able to work for a month, they will be paying me a amount which is equivalent to what I earn that month working. The sole reason I took is because of that, I may not be able to cover my high fixed expenses if let's say touch wood I break my hand and am not able to work for that month.

I look forward to inputs regarding life insurance and how to not overvalue etc if you guys are willing to contribute.
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post Apr 20 2012, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(memberiii @ Apr 20 2012, 12:26 PM)
>Insurance : RM550 (Life Insurance 500k) Medical Card (RM120)<

Life Insurance
$550 per month
What coverage or protection do you get?

Medical insurance
$120 per month
What coverage or protection do you get?
Do you not get this from your employer?
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The rm120 has been bought by my mum since last time I'm just taking over payment.

Life insurance covers 36 crit Illness Tpd all the full nine yards.

The big one for me is if I lose the ability to work in my job scope , first year they give me 50k if 2nd year still no, they give me another 50k. Third year still not able to work in the job scope the remaining 400k and policy ends.

Along the way mc allowance per week rm900 and 200rm per day hospital allowance

The insurance is just 10% of my pay so I think it's fair enough. At least I can have a peace of mind knowing if I do not work for one month my bills are paid for.

Anyhow I'm open to debate , appreciate you guys opinion in this issue

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post Apr 20 2012, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(memberiii @ Apr 20 2012, 01:06 PM)
What is the probability of you getting these events?
What is the probability of you not getting these events?

At your age, probably you need accident and permanent disability protection.  Probably can get these for a fraction of your present premium.
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I would love to say 0% man but I'm not the one who is deciding hehe smile.gif
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post Apr 20 2012, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 20 2012, 01:19 PM)
Bwhahah - had a good laugh at your great response, my lunch nearly flew out of my big mouth tongue.gif
God's plan may not be our plan  laugh.gif .

Insurance(s), imho, as long as it gives U a peace of mind (please also check for ACTUAL coverage heheh, not "agent say wan") and it's but a small % of your net income, i think it's good enough until one's backside gets itchy and want to tweak further for better cost vs coverage effectiveness.

Just a thought (and slightly choking down my food)  notworthy.gif
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biggrin.gif one must not challenge the one above hehe

So would you think 10% for life insurance is a fair enough?
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post Nov 2 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(jiajye90 @ Oct 31 2012, 11:41 PM)
halo

i now just salary rm 1500, now i wan do pl but reject few time
i now no hv EPF. and i work already 1.3 year , how i wan do if i wan loan
rm5k???
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loan for?
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