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Hevrn
post Mar 21 2012, 08:33 PM

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Turning 24 this year and entered the workforce somewhere in May of last year. Here's the breakdown of my monthly ins and outs;

Salary + Allowances: RM2,500 on average (nett)

Makan: RM500 (inclusive of eating out with the GF during weekends)
Insurance premium: RM200
Parents: RM500 (refused to accept it at first, but I believe its my obligation as the eldest son, seeing as they put me thru my entire life and university)
Phone: RM60
Supplements: RM130
Entertainment: RM200
Transport: RM80 (take public transportation to work on weekdays)
Petrol: RM100 (take the car out on weekends)

So after taking into account the expenses, I've got roundabouts RM730 left. No financial obligations at the moment in time, staying with my parents, using the car they got for me when I was in college. Its not as high as I like, but that'd do for now I guess, until I get a bigger paycheck.

What I have stored as what I consider as my personal wealth is;
1. Savings: RM1.8k
2. FD: RM12k on a 3 month rollover
RM5.1k with a one month maturity (to credit back int + principal into my savings upon maturity - I generally keep this as emergency funds, but if I don't need to dive into them I'll throw them back into a 1 month FD again.)
3. No credit card debt. Firm believer of spending only when I have cash in hand.

Rule of thumb when managing my funds are;
1. Excess cash for the month along with my 1 mth FD int + principal will be thrown back into a 1 month FD.
2. Keep my savings at least around RM2.5k for the month ahead.

Personal goals? Well, I plan to do a little Euro trip in 2015. Need about RM16-18k for that. Lolz. And to get a decent apartment and get ready to settle down by 30. Achievable? Hope so. More advice from the sifu's here would be awesome. Mum has adviced me to dabble in shares, but I'm waiting for the right time to start. Maybe in the next downturn perhaps? where cash is king and stocks are cheap. Haha.
Hevrn
post Mar 22 2012, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 22 2012, 10:57 AM)
Hi Hevrn.
IMHO:
a. Good $ management habit U've got there and at 24! notworthy.gif

b. Definitely can go for Euro trip by 2015 and buy an apartment. However, the question begging would be how "decent an apartment"

c. I've done up 2 scenarios in Excel (i hope U have Excel - else use OpenOffice or StarOffice heheh) for your easy visualization
+ one based totally on FD
+ one based on FD + Bonds + REITs +Stocks of good companies
Please do play around with the variables in YELLOW cell - can change easily without screwing up formulas
If U understand the formulas (simple ones used anyway), please go ahead and change anything
NOTE: I've only used VERY conservative expected bonds/bond funds + REITs/stocks returns.
eg.
Bond Funds can hit 10%pa+ and even now, mine's showing 5%pa+/- to 9%pa+/-, BUT i used 5.5%pa only as the expected returns
REITs' dividends ALONE can hit 10%pa+ if bought cheap, even now, mine's showing 6%pa +/- to 8%pa+/-

d. Bottom line
I'd suggest U do as yr mum says - start learning and "dabbling" with shares (normal stocks & REITs) WHILE plonking of 50% of yr 3mths FD in bonds / bond funds. Dabble = put some skin in the game, track and learn hands-on WHILE continuing book/online learning
Why?
Coz keeping yr $ in FD until U get a chance to buy deep discount/lelong stocks/REITs may be a LOOOOOONG wait.
Why not participate a bit first, while keeping some ammo dry for deep discount buys?
Asset Allocation and resource allocation comes into play here biggrin.gif.
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Hey, thanks for the advice. Yea, guess growing up I've always been taught to value money and only spend when necessary. yes, I do love to indulge once in a while (meal at a fancy restaurant, travelling, few drinks with friends), but I try to keep it at a minimum. And I never look to spend above my earnings for the month, unless of course its a big item purchase, like my new PC i got in December where I had to blow about 3 grand.

Learnt alot from reading this thread and your inputs, keep it up! Educate us more about wealth management. Hehe.
Hevrn
post Jan 31 2013, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Jan 31 2013, 01:16 PM)
I thought this thread is for (copied from v1):

"the objective of this thread is to
1. for people with financial management problems to seek help
2. for others to share their experience (and help those that need)"

Because of the availability of loans and credit, this is really why we are talking about this topic, right?

Many people have said make sure spending < income, that's a fantastic guideline. Unfortunately, loans and credit can allow people to spend < income PER MONTH, but in the long run, they become poor because of excessive debt and interest eating into their future income...

Some have opinion that ppl have the right to spend and buy whatever luxury goods they want, fair enough - enjoy life you only live once, right?

And some have the opinion why 'waste' money on these 'luxury' things - also valid point.

But the whole point about personal financial management is to grow net worth, not to enjoy life and spend like there is no tomorrow. If we're talking about enjoying life, I think there should be another thread maybe titled "How to Spend and Enjoy Life to the max"

Stanley/Danko's book has a fantastic formula at the beginning of their book:

Avg Net worth = Total annual income * age / 10

and this is a good yardstick on whether one is building up wealth or spending like there is no tomorrow.

There is no right or wrong I think, it really depends on what the individual wants. Build up wealth (this is the thread) or spend and enjoy life (new thread maybe...)

On a separate note, I read in recent magazine interview about Clarion MD, how his father sent him to Japan and the people there brought them to a posh fancy restaurant dinner. The father told the Japanese "He knows how to spend money, in fact he can teach you a thing or two. I need you to teach him how to MAKE money!" smile.gif
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Wow, a lil tough for a young guy turning 25 this year and having only worked for nearly 2 years. Any other better yardsticks for a poor chap like me?
Hevrn
post Feb 1 2013, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Jan 31 2013, 11:29 PM)
Yeah one of the drawbacks of this calc is unfair to the younger ones... But hey, you can still use it... Let's assume you earn rm3k which is 36k pa. 3.6k x 25 = 90k.

Calculate your net worth, include all assets (savings, epf, car, house if any) - all liabilities (cc debt, car loan, house loan if any) and see whether it's close to this figure or far off.. If far off, then it's a good target to aim for.. The rm2k forced savings example was a good one (although quite extreme imho)... Before long you'll exceed this 90k in net worth and on your way to being financially secure! wink.gif
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Thing is, I've not even made that much in my <2 years of working to allow me to save as much. Hehe.

If I were to use Wong sifu's method though, I'm well within being financially comfortable.

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