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jasontoh
post May 27 2013, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ May 27 2013, 02:31 PM)
It looks not same, but I feel it is the same. I just need the tax relief. I can invest better than the fund managers tongue.gif
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post Jun 3 2013, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(Vector89 @ Jun 3 2013, 11:17 AM)
Need advise, here's goes:

Income:
Salary (employment): RM 4500/month (after deductions)
Dividends (stocks): RM3000/month (average)
Dividends (Business): RM35000/month (average)
Rentals/month
Property 1: RM 1200
Property 2: RM 1850
Property 3: RM 2200
Property 4: RM 1500
Property 5: RM 6500
Property 6: RM 15000
Property 7: RM 15500

Total: RM 86250/month (approx)

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Expenses:

Personal (Food, Bills, Holiday, Etc): average RM7500/month
Installments/month
Property 1: RM 800
Property 2: RM 1200
Property 3: RM 2200
Property 4: RM RM 1500
Property 5: RM 5800
Property 6: RM 13185
Property 7: RM 13185
Property 8: RM 9500
Property 9: RM 2700
Property 10: RM 3200
Property 11: RM 3200

Total: RM 63970/month

Assets:
Cash in Bank: RM150000
Here's the problem, due to some unforeseen turnout of events, my business suffered a steep decline in profits and no dividends are expected to be paid for the next 2 years, bringing my total income down to RM 41250 and hence (-ve) RM 22720 outflow every month.

Based on my current position, I would last 6-7 months max.

Property 1-5: >5years & 50-120% capital appreciation (based on bank valuation)
Property  6-7: 3years & 25% capital appreciation (Based on bank valuation)
Property 8-100: <2years and Undercon, will only be available for rent in mid 2014.
I really dont know whats the best option for me, all I can think of at the moment is to:
(a) Liquidate some properties (1-7)
(b) Seek refinancing

Really in dire need of advice of what is the best solution that I should execute and what are their pros and cons, unfortunately I don't have much time
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If I were you, I would have liquidate properties 8-11, mainly not generating income, and additional from 6 or 7 or both. That alone will give you 30K less in expenses, thus, you will still be able to cope with the new reduced expenses. You better pray that you still able to rent out the remaining property, else it will be goodbye to you. " If you buy things you don't need, you'll soon sell things you need" - Warren Buffett.

Just curious how on Earth getting 4.5 nett pay allows you to have up to almost 70K in monthly installment for property? hmm.gif I'm quite sure even you own business, bank will take 10% of the turnover as your income, assuming you have about 30K profit, should entitle you additional 3K which making your income at 7K range.
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post Jun 4 2013, 11:27 AM

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Again, I'm still with the proposal of liquidating properties 8-11 as these properties don't generate income. Short term pain is better than long term pain. If you liquidate those income generators, I can assure you that it will not be long before you ARE FORCED to sell everything.

Regarding your income, I don't have doubt, just that I wonder how on Earth banks will let you run into this situation. 300-600K per annum just mean that the income taken is about 30K per annum. But then again, you have tenancy agreement, so I supposed those contributed to your extra income approval rate.

QUOTE(Vector89 @ Jun 4 2013, 09:39 AM)
Thanks for your respond:

On your question:
1. I can't liquidate 8-11 as I bought this property at a value for the developers and is currently enjoying incentives for up to 5 years. Disposing them will nullify the incentives.
2. Property prices of 8-11 is rather stagnant and there is still no market yet for them. To liquidate, will have to drop prices and will result in losses.
3. I already found prospective tenants for 3 of those properties and the rental income is approx 10% higher than my month commitment.
Let me clarify a few issues:

1. Invested in a business ard 2009, and the dividends they pay me is approx 300k-600k/annum for the past 2years. I have no management control of the business, just one of the directors and receive dividends annually.

2. I just started working full time in late 2010 till now and hence drawing monthly income.

3. Started investing in properties way back in 2008, at that time getting 90% financing and 40-45 years tenure is way easier than now.

4. My prove of income to the banks are as follow:
(a) Annual Income Tax Filling
(b) Stamped Tenancy Agreement
© Employment Pay Slip
(d) Dividend statements from stocks

Note: If you are a premier/priority/priviledge member of banks, the margin they can allow is up to 130% of your commitment.
Current Situation:

1. Made a mistake by depending too much cash flow from my business.
2. I had this ridiculous ambition of having a property portfolio of tens of millions by 30, and yeah.... f***ed up real bad.

Path Forward:
1. I hope someone in this forum can advise on the options I have at this juncture and what are their pros and cons.
2. Someone with similar past experience to share their thoughts.

Greatly appreciate your valuable suggestions as I can't really share this with my family or friends.

Thanks again
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post Sep 8 2013, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(kurt @ Sep 4 2013, 03:40 PM)
Hi guys,

I have a financial advise I would like to ask, hope this is the correct section to ask.

My house loan is now at RM180K balance and I have PTPTN balanca at RM20K.

I have extra cash to pay off my PTPTN but I want to know, is it better to pay off my PTPTN or use the money to pay my house loan?

As you know, PTPTN, by this 30 September 2013, I can get discount of 20% which is RM4K.

My house loan interest is BLR - 2.24%. Loan amount balance RM180K.

I have RM16K, I can pay off the PTPTN after discount 20%.

Which one is better?

Thank you very much for your help.
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To me, I pay off PTPTN because there is no other investment that can guarantee 20% return. 16K if dump to the housing loan only save you about 700++ this year, so to me PTPTN more worth it and then finally you can focus on repaying the house loan (extra from the normal PTPTN payment and extra from EPF)

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